Afking out of troll games gets afker punished

MajorMunchies·Jun 30, 2016·2 votes·902 views

So you're telling me if I afk out of the obviously troll, who feeds 5 kills by walking under turret before 5 minute mark, that I am in the wrong? Apparently you are because my report did nothing while I got punished for afking out.

So what is the consequence for trolling a game when you're on tilt? Nothing at all, go ahead and do it. Dont forget to report whoever afk's or gets salty over it. Thats basically what league's system is telling me right now

17 Comments

WolfessJun 30, 201612 votes

two wrongs don't make a right. don't use someone doing something wrong as justification for you to do something wrong yourself.

BigNasty3000Jul 3, 20161 votes

It isn't being done maliciously. Why should we accept a system that basically traps you with duo's who want to ruin your good time? IRL what would you do? Walk away, right? Why is this not acceptable?

ModPrandineJul 3, 20162 votes

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It isn't being done maliciously. Why should we accept a system that basically traps you with duo's who want to ruin your good time? IRL what would you do? Walk away, right? Why is this not acceptable?

Because it's not just you and the duo in the game-you also have 2 other people potentially trying to still win despite the trolls. You leaving/afking lessens the chance of that happening. Yes it's annoying to have a group of trolls ruin a game but you leaving/afking isn't gonna stop them from trolling; only reporting them at the end of the game will.

BigNasty3000Jul 3, 20161 votes

reporting them will do nothing, as it's "hard to prove trolling." Riot has taken the ez way out. It's easy to flag certain phrases, you can have a computer do that. It's harder to actually police the community, ya know, like almost every other online multiplayer game does.

People keep asking, "whyis league so toxic?" The answer is right in front of your face, yet you won't accept it.

ModPrandineJul 3, 20162 votes

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reporting them will do nothing, as it's "hard to prove trolling." Riot has taken the ez way out. It's easy to flag certain phrases, you can have a computer do that. It's harder to actually police the community, ya know, like almost every other online multiplayer game does.

People keep asking, "whyis league so toxic?" The answer is right in front of your face, yet you won't accept it.

People who troll via gameplay are in fact punished. A recent example of such can be found here. Yes it's just one case of a gameplay troll getting punished but this does prove that reports do work on gameplay-oriented trolls. Yes it's easier to track verbal toxicity than it is to track gameplay toxicity, but it's not impossible to track as evidenced by the case that I linked. If reporting truly did nothing then this section most likely would not exist.

BigNasty3000Jul 3, 20161 votes

This section seems to exist for people to complain about policies, and then for Riot minions to tell them that their complaints aren't valid. Read through the threads. They even changed it to boards, with an upvote/downvote system so that they can brigade anyone that doesn't agree with Riot's policies.

These boards are a shithole, and 99% of players avoid them because of the rampant stupidity.

Cue the idiotic "why are you here" response.

ModPrandineJul 3, 2016

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This section seems to exist for people to complain about policies, and then for Riot minions to tell them that their complaints aren't valid. Read through the threads. They even changed it to boards, with an upvote/downvote system so that they can brigade anyone that doesn't agree with Riot's policies.

These boards are a shithole, and 99% of players avoid them because of the rampant stupidity.

Cue the idiotic "why are you here" response.

Why do you insist on using the whole "riot minion" insult? Seriously it helps nothing.

Anyways, the purpose of these boards are for people to get help regarding punishments, punishment systems and behavior. Yes the boards in its entirety have an up/downvote system, but at least for this section generally the people getting downvoted are the people who:

Have lied about their behavior that got them punished (the reform cards and/or their forum behavior generally tell whether they're actually being truthful or not).
Are known trolls who only want to derail threads.
Make claims that have been proven false and insult and harass those who prove them wrong.
Harass others who don't give them the Yesman answers that they want to hear.

The people who generally get upvoted are the ones who:

Are knowledgeable about certain topics, such as punishment systems.
Provide proof/context to back up their statements and/or disprove someone elses.
Make helpful, constructive and respectful posts.
Accept responsibility for their behavior and mistakes.

Even if someone disagrees with some of Riot's policies, that doesn't necessarily mean that they'll get downvoted right away. Generally as long as they stay respectful and provide a reasonable reason as to why they disagree they generally won't get downvoted. It may seem like only Riot haters get downvoted, but the majority of them tend to be ones who have a history of poor behavior both in-game and on the forums (not all of them, just a very disgruntled vocal majority of them).

TL;DR: People generally downvote posts that are destructive, desrespectful, not helpful and/or insulting while upvoting posts that are helpful, respectful and/or knowledgeable. Disagreeing in a respectful manner with a reasonable and respectful reason why usually won't get you downvoted, but disagreeing while being a jerk about it generally will.

BigNasty3000Jul 3, 20161 votes

You are wrong. Find me examples. I see people contributing very little to discussion, like the top comment on this thread. "Two wrongs don't make a right." Really? Then why do we lock people in jail? This type of comment is lacking in actual thought, yet upvoted.

If you agree with Riot on everything, or say something so insanely stupid like "it's their game, they can do what they want," which doesn't add to discussion, only devalues the posters opinion, then you are a minion of Riot's. I can't think of a nicer way to say it. You are so worried about how something is said, that what is said becomes irrelevant. It is the antithesis of discussion, and is what unintelligent people do when they cannot back up their opinions.

ModPrandineJul 3, 2016

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You are wrong. Find me examples. I see people contributing very little to discussion, like the top comment on this thread. "Two wrongs don't make a right." Really? Then why do we lock people in jail? This type of comment is lacking in actual thought, yet upvoted.

If you agree with Riot on everything, or say something so insanely stupid like "it's their game, they can do what they want," which doesn't add to discussion, only devalues the posters opinion, then you are a minion of Riot's. I can't think of a nicer way to say it. You are so worried about how something is said, that what is said becomes irrelevant. It is the antithesis of discussion, and is what unintelligent people do when they cannot back up their opinions.

You want some examples? Very well then, here are some.

Ulanopo's Knowledge Base (created with the help of fellow players).

Deep Terror Nami making the Hextech Crafting Restrictions information more generally known and accessible for forum goers.

Wuks explaining which 3rd Party Apps are and aren't allowed.

The Brometheus explaining why flaming someone back isn't worth it.

These are just some of the many examples of community members trying to help others out.

Also, I most certainly do not agree with Riot on everything. For example, I disagree with their reasoning behind removing Dominion as a permanent game mode when they refused to give it a meaningful update before they decided to remake it as a Featured Game Mode (i.e. they had kept promising to update it for many years but ultimately failed to deliver on those promises. Yes they gave it a VU but that was only after they decided to convert it into an FGM-too little too late if you ask me). Do I agree with them on some things? Yes I do. Do i agree with them on all things? No I don't.

BigNasty3000Jul 3, 20161 votes

Good examples, my examples are every thread in this section.

Doesn't it make sense to want to remove yourself from a toxic situation? If so, then why do the purveyors of this forum think that no matter what you shouldn't leave a game. Let them call you %%%%%%, let them troll you, let them not allow the reasonable people to surrender. You have to stay until the end of the game and endure their abuse or we will punish you. It's bullshit, and it is because Riot wants to let computers police their game. IMO, you should be able to leave a game with minimal punishment if people are trolling. If you disagree, cool, but let's have an actual discussion. Let's not blindly agree with policies, without actually thinking about them.

edit - Deep Terror Nami is one of the worst offenders. This person has an "I am right and if you think differently you are toxic" attitude that adds nothing to discussion.

WolfessJul 3, 20161 votes

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It isn't being done maliciously. Why should we accept a system that basically traps you with duo's who want to ruin your good time? IRL what would you do? Walk away, right? Why is this not acceptable?

Just because it isn't being done maliciously doesn't mean it isn't wrong. Just try to see if you can play well even with the remaining players, if not then probably surrender at 20 to not have to waste more time then necessary and then report the jerk who is trolling after the game so they're not doing it to other people. I'm sure you'd appreciate if a troll was banned that you've never seen before prior to them ever being in a game with you so you don't have to put up with their bullshit.

TaeseukJun 30, 20168 votes

Just because they're doing something wrong doesn't mean you're allowed to, you know going afk is against the rules so the fact that you did so means you made a conscious decision to break one of the rules there go you got punished.

Also you can't possibly know if your report did anything or not since you get no notification in either direction and whilst a single report holds little weight if they're a troll chances are they will get rpoerted a lot and alert the system to take a closer look, your report on them is what will help in that.

5oulDARKJul 2, 20164 votes

afking itself is a disrespectful act of rudeness. You dont respect the fact some players are trying to win and you leave them, making the game 4v5 and unfair (disadventage). Any afker who gets punished is rightfully punished. Its justice

BigNasty3000Jul 3, 20161 votes

Let these Riot minions who frequent the boards with their ignorant drivel downvote away. People should be able to walk away from games with obvious trolls. It's what you do when someone is trying to get under your skin, you walk away. Unfortunately it's easier for Riot to let a program do their job, so they don't even consider nuance. That's why they have these "all or nothing" policies, because they are lazy. They dug themselves deep with their banning policies, and now they are too lazy and arrogant to admit it's flawed.

ModPrandineJul 3, 20163 votes

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Let these Riot minions who frequent the boards with their ignorant drivel downvote away. People should be able to walk away from games with obvious trolls. It's what you do when someone is trying to get under your skin, you walk away. Unfortunately it's easier for Riot to let a program do their job, so they don't even consider nuance. That's why they have these "all or nothing" policies, because they are lazy. They dug themselves deep with their banning policies, and now they are too lazy and arrogant to admit it's flawed.

The only people who say it's flawed are the people who don't like that they're actually being held accountable for their behavior. Yes the systems are not perfect, but the reality is that no system is or ever will be perfect, meaning that there is always room for improvement. Do you have any actual proof that Riot is too lazy and arrogant with their so-called "all or nothing" polices or any suggestions on how to even improve the systems as they are for the better? If so then please post them here.

BigNasty3000Jul 3, 20161 votes

Proof? Watch all-chat.