Off meta is "trolling"

eMuffin·Jan 11, 2016·172 votes·7,789 views

Today I hopped into a team builder as teemo mid, with a bard adc, blitz support, alistar top, and hecarim jg. We started to win surprisingly even though we had a way off meta and weird team composition. About halfway through, the enemy zilean started getting really salty calling us trolls and said we were ruining the game, since we had "Champions in the wrong spots" and were therefore trolling and winning. The jinx also told us to stop being d1cks. Eventually the game ended and I was reported for harassment by someone. Meanwhile the zilean continued to complain about how putting champions in the wrong spots was op and trolling.

Why? How? What? I don't even get that zilean...

Edit: I understand that off meta isn't truly trolling but it was a funny experience to witness.

194 Comments

kétchùp chìpsJan 11, 201696 votes

They're being sore losers lol. Good job to you guys playing off meta and doing well :)

KhadaverJan 11, 201632 votes

But sometimes off meta tends to work better. Some champs in certain lanes/ roles can counter alot of champs in a lane they don't belong in and on top of that they won't expect it.

DeathToEcchiJan 11, 201618 votes

^^ this

It was like when Ori was dominating pro play and all of a sudden you start seeing Corki mid in the LCS. He hard-countered what happened to be a pick/ban champ at the time. I've also won more 'troll' double jungle games than I've lost. It does depend on elo, but over-all most people don't handle meta changes well. It often works simply because it's different instead of because it's actually stronger.

SevixysJan 11, 20165 votes

Like I played Quinn top occasionally in s5. It countered several champs severely (several-severe you got it??.. Ok..) but it definitely was off-meta(not anymore though) >_>

Hello I am BirdJan 12, 20163 votes

High five to that!

Horrah for interruption of third Riven q

Cheese PopeJan 11, 20168 votes

TahmKench Welcome to the Salty League of Legends. How tough are ya? Bard I'm so tough, I played hybrid Bard top..... So what? Bard And won

KrizalidKof99Jan 11, 201629 votes

teemo mid is actually viable

UtilityPunkJan 11, 201628 votes

Teemo anywhere is viable. Just gotta keep from being bursted and you're golden.

HighH1Jan 11, 201643 votes

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Teemo anywhere is viable. ~~Just gotta keep from being bursted and you're golden.~~ Just gotta drink the tears and blood of your enemies. Heil Satan

Pale PirateJan 11, 201610 votes

Remember: When you lock teemo in, make sure that it is night, and that you are riding a black unicorn down the side of an erupting volcano.

Then fill a chalice with the blood and tears of your enemies, preferably without salt. Then draw Satan's symbol while chanting that size doesn't mean everything.

Proceed to enslave a dragon and make him give you a mermaid before sending him to the sun with a nuclear missile. Follow the instructions for the next step carefully.

Take the mermaid. And force her to sleep with medicine. Then put her in a pool so she doesn't die.

For thirteen days, makes her wake up out of the water, letting her think she will never find water again, and force her to sleep right when she walks close to the pool, just so she only gets a glimpse of it.

On the thirteenth day, make sure it is a full moon. That's when the mermaid will get desperate, and unleash her curse.

Right as she unleashes her curse of hate, kill her with a silver shot in the abdomen, but make sure you keep her mouth open so the evil spirits can communicate with our dimension through her mouth.

You have to be quick now. Put her in the middle of the Satan's symbol you drew 13 days earlier, throw a drop of the liquid of the chalice at every corner of the symbol, drink about the 1/4 of it, then throw the rest at the place you shot the mermaid, so it spreads evenly around her.

This is when the summoning will begin. Of all the evil spirits, the worst will come out.

Teemo.

The death ray coming out of it will kill every alive being within ten kilometers of Teemo, but it won't kill you, since you have drunk from the liquid which was the source of it's dawn in our multiverse.

With a burst of new-born flame, it will draw the space-time continuum (and you) towards him. Luckily for you, the sun distorts the space-time continuum around it.

If you have calculated everything correctly, this is the point when the missile will reach the sun, just before Teemo's wrath penetrates the sun's space-time continuum distortion.

The nuclear missile and the dragon will transform into a massive super-nova, turning the sun into a black hole. Hopefully, the supernova will be drained by the black hole and nullified by teemo's anti-matter radiation, letting you survive it.

The laws of physics will soon tear apart. You and Teemo will be sucked in the black whole, and appear in another universe, but with swapped bodies. You have a couple seconds to mock It, now in a weak mortal flesh.

Now quick, before the white whole which brought you to this universe closes, use the last of the power of the liquid you drunk to transfer yourself back to your universe.

Using the awesome new powers of its body, return the world 42 days earlier.

Congrats! You banished Teemo from your universe forever, destroyed it, and now you live in it's impenetrable body of pure evil! Have fun!

DezeMuffinsJan 11, 201612 votes

Is this a Zhonya's pun!?

Hell WeekJan 11, 201624 votes

i like to go Ahri Velkoz Syndra as ADC lol. basicly kill the enemy ADC with 1 full combo. even better when i get a leo, blitz, or thresh.

bobsenbobJan 11, 201619 votes

that velkoz crit animation is so satisfying

BiffoloJan 11, 201612 votes

Then you face people who know how to not feed the lane, then win in mid-late because their kits are just better for the role ;)

SH AzykanJan 11, 20164 votes

to be fair, ahri adc is kinda ridiculous late. Charm and low cd dashes (easy to hit 40% cdr even as AD) is quite powerful on an adc. it is early where she is going to have the most problems.

SirHeavyScrotumJan 11, 20162 votes

I mean her auto range is garbo so something like a Malphite or other hard engage tank is gonna have a field day with Ahri ADC.

League of PotatoJan 11, 201612 votes

except no one's gunna be counterpicking malphite into an ahri thinking that they're planning on going adc so that really would never be an issue

Photos of GhostsJan 11, 20165 votes

Her auto range is middle of the pack. The only problem is attack speed.

AstreaSoulJan 11, 20163 votes

Actually, Ahri has unusually high base attack speed and average attack speed growth. In fact, she just barely misses out on top 5 base attack speed values by 0.002.

0.668 base and 2% / lv growth, for reference.

BiffoloJan 12, 20163 votes

That's a terrible argument, because 1. her auto range is average for an adc at 550 and 2. This holds true for every adc, but by nature ahri is a very slippery champ.

kaltenashesJan 11, 20167 votes

once i was playing jungle and i never needed to go bot (the enemy was always pushed to their turret), only at 20 min i noticed their build, they (probably a duo queue) did ADC (really with ad items bork, runaan's,ie) Nami and support ap LeeSin and yelled "WTF IS GOING ON WITH OUR BOT LANE?", we won that game, the duo was really awesome

TroyTheUnconquerJan 11, 20164 votes

Me and a buddy of mine played ADC LeeSin and Support Lux ... If i hit a snare lee just jumped on them and instantly killed them, getting him fed, and i got the CS getting me fed

We completely dominated bot lane and Lee ended up going 10-0 and me going 2-0-12 or something until a 5 man gank shut us down

BârdJan 11, 201620 votes

Off meta is not trolling.

taking item 3092 on top lane Poppy is trolling.

Magic penetration Zed is trolling.

Ward and PeelJan 11, 20161 votes

made me laugh, have u actually seen these things XD

BârdJan 11, 20162 votes

http://imgur.com/geOVODd

Ward and PeelJan 12, 20161 votes

XD im sorry

HighH1Jan 13, 20162 votes

double ADC trist and MF also took item 3092

gavalon55Jan 11, 201613 votes

Now the Bard ADC might be trolling but it's the Jinx's fault for not punishing that. Otherwise, ignore them and play what you want.

The weirdest picks can also be the fun ones.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

DryditchJan 11, 201612 votes

Going off-meta is not trolling. Going off-meta when your team asks you not to is unsportsmanlike, and may not be a reportable offense, but it should be. I've had lobbies in draft where a guy who's last pick will intentionally antagonize his teammates, then decide he's just going duo mid or duo jungle and cry "I'm just going off-meta. You can't report me for that."

That shit is annoying. Playing with a team that's OK with you doing weird shit is just having fun with friends.

KaisadiIIaJan 11, 20164 votes

You can report them for unsportsmanlike/refusing to communicate/griefing.

It's a team game so you can't only do what you want. If you convice the rest of your team to have a duo jungler game, then you are good to go; but you don't, you'll have to adapt to what the rest of the team was.

P0IS0N IVYJan 11, 20163 votes

There's nothing wrong with going off meta. It's not unsportsmanlike. People are allowed to pick whatever champ they want and try to win however they want.

In your example that guy wasn't going off meta. He was just plain trolling.

The DeckownerJan 11, 201612 votes

tbh none of these picks are trolls, teemo mid is common, alistar top exists, bard adc is suprisingly good if the player has the mechanic.

KyillouJan 11, 201611 votes

I play a serious Ahri Galio support and its sad when people say I'm a troll pick. I played against a teemo mid as akali and I got shit on that blind would fuck me in and out no matter how I approached him.

CitadelOfIceJan 11, 201611 votes

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I play a serious support and its sad when people say I'm a troll pick. I played against a teemo mid as akali and I got shit on that blind would fuck me in and out no matter how I approached him.

How is or Galio a troll pick for sup? Try Syndra sup some time if you want to get called a troll.

OpportunisticJan 11, 20161 votes

One abbreviation for you, QSS ( quick silver sash )... enjoy your free teemo kill!!

KaisadiIIaJan 11, 20162 votes

I don't know why people think QSS is only for ADs. Ok, Mercurial Scimitar is for AD champions but is anyone forcing you to upgrade your QSS?

A lot of times I go as Akali or Diana against a Malz, just buy QSS which gives decent stats with a broken active and win the lane easily.

Ward and PeelJan 12, 20161 votes

mikeals works too right... maybe not not on akali lol

KaisadiIIaJan 12, 20162 votes

It's too much of an investment. QSS is 1300 gold for 30 MR, which is not efficient but isn't a big waste either. With Mikael you are expending 1000 more gold for 10% CDR and mana regen, with an active that has more cooldown and doesn't remove every debuff, just cc.

4thHorsmanJan 11, 20167 votes

Do they not get that meta mean Most Effective Tactic Available? If you are OFF meta that means that you are by definition not optimal. The reason they were salty was because they simply didn't know how to react to uncommon picks.

Also, if picking off meta was trolling/harassment then Solwolf should be banned by now.

KaisadiIIaJan 11, 20169 votes

Do they not get that meta mean Most Effective Tactic Available

I don't know who invented that "acronym", but it's false.

"Meta" comes from the word "metagame", where "meta" means "transcending, encompassing". You find that prefix on words like "metadata" (data that describes data) or "metalanguage" (language that speaks about language). In this case, "metagame" refers to the way a game is played at a given time. The word does not imply that the meta at a given time is the best tactic nor anything, it's just how the majority of the community plays. "off-meta" does not mean "not optimal", in fact, the way you counter the meta is, by definition, by playing off-meta. Is then when the off-meta tactic you choose proves (or fails) to be strong against the current meta, people will usually adopt it and that will become meta.

tl;dr: "meta" refers to how people play the game, has nothing to do with efficacy.

AnomanderJan 11, 20166 votes

On hit ap orianna with a malph support...........the wombo.

ObericJan 11, 20164 votes

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On hit ap orianna with a malph support...........the wombo.

On-hit (ap) Orianna is best Orianna.

I still think they need to buff Nashor's Tooth up to 25% ap ratio (from 20%) since they removed the on-hit ap mastery.

Solari FortuneJan 11, 20166 votes

I love doing off meta teams, mainly because the enemy has no idea how to fight it Still, it isn't trolling unless you are like feeding on purpose with it

Lost HpJan 11, 20166 votes

the only meta what exist in lol is

1 player as jungler 2 players what have a solo lane 2 players what share one lane

and that meta only exist to optimise the gold income

ahferroin7Jan 11, 20163 votes

No, certain things exist for reasons other than gold efficiency.

Mid is almost always an ADC, APC, or assassin because it's the shortest lane, which means when they get attacked they can get to safety faster. Bot is duo because it gives better control of the dragon. The duo lane is usually ADC/APC and a support because the support provides the protection that the mid laner gets from the tower. Top is usually a tank or fighter because they still benefit from the gold benefits of a solo lae, but don't require the same degree of safety that an ADC or APC would. Jungle is usually a tank, fighter , or assassin because they need durability and the ability to get into lane quickly when they gank.

WhiskerWowJan 11, 20165 votes

One time I absolutely destroyed an adc Jinx with Syndra support. In the post game chat after their surrender @ 20, she said something incoherent about how I was setting a bad example for everyone.

dod21Jan 11, 20165 votes

Anybody else have to change their vote to up after having read the title, voted down, then decided to read the damn complaining... also:

LOOKING FOR: 30 somethin' yr old regular joes and janes, who might just play impaired to give the others, who don't understand basic math and just blindly follow whatever's trendy, a chance, who like playing off meta and want to play a game or two or three ranked and spank these little kids' asses. Add me in game. Skype preferred.

KaisadiIIaJan 11, 20165 votes

the enemy zilean started getting really salty calling us trolls and said we were ruining the game, since we had "Champions in the wrong spots"

He's a Zilean, the master of trollpicks. Every position is the wrong spot for him.

kappa

mk DILLYJan 11, 20164 votes

I feel you man. I play almost exclusively AP Varus and have for years. He's really powerful once you know how to use him. I just laugh when I go 14/7 and my team all goes 2/11 and at the end of the game they all blame me when we lose. You have to have a thick skin to main an off-meta champ.