You don't need a leash from 2 people when starting from a small camp.

Killenea·12/11/2014, 11:59:58 AM·7 votes·1,756 views

Tell me what you think. Last game I was heimer supp, so I went in lane right away to set up my turrets in the bush. Udyr was at Gromp with the adc. Udyr and the mid laner started bashing me for not giving a leash. I explained that my leash wasn't necessary . When I jungle, one skill and one auto attack from one champ is enough for me to kill a small camp and then continue jungling. Udyr said that he wouldn't gank bot, and he didn't. We were winning the lane hard, my adc had 90 cs while theirs had 20, but their jungler kept ganking, and since it was tryndamere he had no problem going all in. Also I had a rivalry with the enemy adc. You see, before that game, I was in a champ select with the same guy, and he insulted me for picking heimer as a support, then someone left the lobby. So I wanted to crush him when I ended up being his opponent. So from time to time I would bust his balls, saying "dod you like my heimer supp now", and that he still had low cs. He was doing the same, and it was ok, it was fun. It stopped being fun when our mid laner and udyr ganged up against me and started insulting me, they were even insulting me in all chat, saying I was the reason they were losing (while we won that game because of my baits and dragon/baron control). What makes me angry is that they reported me after the game, and I got the pop up telling me to stop being toxic. All this happened because udyr and the mid laner weren't familiar with the new jungle, hating me from the beginning because I didn't give a leash. I fear when the next season starts, and clueless junglers like udyr start popping up. I'm thinking I might just start maining jungle to avoid that.

28 Comments

ValyrianBlade12/11/2014, 12:21:30 PM11 votes

Just because you only need 1 person on the leash doesn't mean it isn't nice to have more. Also just because you only use one person doesn't mean anyone else does. For all you know, Udyr had a strategy that would have cleared more camps before basing than you normally do. Or perhaps he was planning to invade before backing and wanted higher health (most junglers base after the first half-jungle, if Udyr could clear 3 camps then have enough health to go to the enemy buff and steal his second buff, that would have been a huge advantage).

Also, even if they only need 1 person, the support is a MUCH better choice than the ADC. The ADC should be the one in lane as to not accidentally miss any CS. If the ADC needed to give a stronger leash because of your absence (or felt he needed to), you may have cost him some early pressure in lane.

I understand your play, setting up Heimer turrets in lane before minions arrive is important. You need to look at other perspectives though - it doesn't mean you need to supply a leash but it does mean you shouldn't say your teammates are wrong for asking for one.

Further - the abuse warning comes up after multiple occurrences, not just 1 report. If you got a warning, you've been demonstrating toxic behavior outside of that game too. Not to mention your opponent may have found your comments toxic even if you thought they were only in good fun.

Finally, you should never think that the game was won "because of my...". It's always a team effort. You may have made some good plays here or there, and you likely also made some mistakes here and there, and your teammates likely did the same, and your enemies likely did the same but had more mistakes. For one specific point, just because you succeed at keeping baron/dragon warded doesn't mean you were responsible for your team's dragon/baron control. Keep them warded all you like, if the other team kills your jungler and solo laners they'll take either objective without much resistance from you and the adc.

Raja Chachki12/11/2014, 2:32:29 PM4 votes

Sorry that happened, but yeah there are toxic people and dunderheads playing this game, you just gotta grow a thicker skin, mute the people(trust me, it REALLY helps), and move on and just finish the game. And IMO, I do have both ADC and support leash me on first camp, they don't even miss a CS, so I think it's nice. The stupid thing is all these "junglers" have NO IDEA WHAT they are doing. I swear to god so far 6/10 have died about twice before even banking cuz they died to jungle.....ugh and they expect a HARD leash at A BUFF, like they want 10 autos.....

Earl Eulrich12/11/2014, 2:31:40 PM3 votes

good lord, someone requiring a leash on Udyr really is sad... and yea, bot is way better of just taking gromp or krugs for themselves to start with the xp bonus than leashing for the jungler currently anyway.

Kbalz12/11/2014, 2:15:43 PM2 votes

you can also give a really good leash and still make it back to lane

MagnusMentula12/11/2014, 3:33:52 PM2 votes

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