When will Riot care for ARAM ??!!!

V 4 Victor·Dec 6, 2016·3 votes·657 views

Is there Any kind of prize for playing and winning in this mode ? I feel clearly that riot and even the majority of players seem to look down on ARAM as it's "less" important than the rift !

I mean, you don't give winning token for champs in ARAM mode to reach up level 6 & 7 ! You don't give a chance for the victorious skins Neither a chance to buy it for people who win specific number of ARAM games and reach high ranks....why ? and when will this end ? You even decided to remove our ARAM rank in the new client with NOOOO reward what so ever for people who wasted years reaching Diamond on ARAM !!! When I talk ranked rewards I'm talking whether it's ARAM Or ADAM "all draft all mid"...I'm talking about this map in general Not how you want to apply ranked on it "that if you want to. I don't like ranked and I extremely hate being forced to play it as it's the only way to win the victorious skin ! and I'd like a chance to win a victorious skin or at least buy one if I like it ! there should be a chance for people who enjoy ARAM games more than the rift in getting something in return ? the way you look down on ARAM made players care less for how they troll in it, go afk or even troll build or show up with no mastery, I hope this will change soon and we'll have a chance of prizes just like ranked players do. even if you offered an ADAM mode.

some players like ranked regardless of the victorious skin being there or not and that's why there are gold, platinum, diamond , master and challenger ! If players were only playing for a skin they'd stop by Gold V ! so if the victorious skins are available as reward/gifts in ARAM or even ADAM it'll create a new player base who enjoy the game, Not just ranked players and their smurf accounts that they use to boost illegally for money and then sell it illegally online later on or carry their friends regardless of this being fair or not and no one seems to care but you encourage it with the duo queue.

ARAM is enjoyed by hundreds of thousands of players, Rioters should put that in mind before answering, not everyone enjoy the rift and it's tension, smurfing, Elo boosters, cheats, toxicity,....should I go on ??? Many players were upset when we lose Dominion and you didn't even give us a chance to win the icon which reminds us of the mode, You come up with extremely weird ideas and decisions, try to listen to a wider base of the game fans. Not just high elo old players.

20 Comments

CochoDec 6, 20162 votes

Aram became a mode because people liked playing it in the rift in customs. Ranked is supposed to be competitive, aram is less competitive than other gamemodes.

Why would we look to aram for exclusivity, over treeline (which isn't really promoted) or dominion (when it was permanent).

Aram is a casual gamemode.

MinardeDec 7, 20161 votes

Why would we look to aram for exclusivity, over treeline (which isn't really promoted) or dominion (when it was permanent).

Because they all offer different styles of gameplay, and people who like one might not like the others.

Aram is a casual gamemode.

Only because it has no competitive (i.e. ranked) queue.

CochoDec 7, 20161 votes

I do not necessarily agree that there is even a different play style, but rather, its taking one element of the other maps, and limiting it to just that.

It would be like if we took basketball, and made a competitive sport out of HORSE. Why focus on just one aspect of something that can bring much more.

MinardeDec 7, 20161 votes

I'd probably agree with you if we were discussing ADAM, but the randomness of ARAM is a significant difference from the other modes. Even Legend of the Poro King, which only differs in draft pick and the King, is noticeably different in experience from ARAM.

Rather than basketball and HORSE, baseball and softball would be a closer comparison.

CochoDec 8, 20161 votes

RNG makes it even worse for a competitive environment.

MinardeDec 9, 20161 votes

Not really. RNG makes things worse on an individual-game level (e.g. best of 1's), but it's fine in the long-term, as personal skill eventually trumps randomness in terms of impact. If Alice beats Bob once, she might have just gotten lucky. If Alice beats Bob 600 times out of a 1000, it's probably not luck.

Since the ranked ladder already depends on playing a large number of games, there's no problem with ARAM having RNG.

CochoDec 9, 20161 votes

I completely disagree 100%.

Someone who is used to that system would beat someone who isn't.

I've used to go to alot of tournaments for smash bros melee, if we put that shit on random characters, I'd lose like every game I didnt get a specific character. Likewise, I'd lose if I wasn't katarina on this game.

Obviously I'd stand a better chance against players that were just worse than me, but another player of similar skill, I'd lose if he had any familiarity with most of the characters.

MinardeDec 9, 20161 votes

Someone who is used to that system would beat someone who isn't.

Doesn't that support the idea of a competitive environment?

You're mixing up different skillsets here. The skillset required to play a specific character is not the same skillset required to play a random character. Playing a specific champion tests specialization while playing a random champion tests well-roundedness.

If you were playing "another player of similar skill," but he had "familiarity with most of the characters," he's not of similar skill. He's actually a stronger player than you in this particular case. He might be of similar skill when you can both pick your characters, but that's not what's being tested here.

CochoDec 10, 20161 votes

Random is like some mario party shit.

GG he had a 140 chance of landing on DK, (VEIGAR AND ZIGGS SAME TEAM LOL) and he did.

Its like arguing mario party is competitive because although the spaces and blocks are random, but the decisions you make for paths and orbs aren't. Also, you could outplay/show your superior mechanics through the minigames.

MinardeDec 10, 20161 votes

Following that reasoning, SR isn't competitive because dragons, minion aggro, and crits are random. Poker or other card games aren't competitive because cards are randomly drawn. Physical sports aren't competitive because of random gusts of wind.

Random games are not automatically competitive, but at the same time, they're not automatically uncompetitive.

Veigar and Ziggs on the same team is a strong start, but it's not a guaranteed win/loss at all. Furthermore, as I mentioned a while ago, the law of large numbers applies.

CochoDec 10, 20161 votes

Theres a difference between rng and variance.

Poker would be like, if every aram player had a few rerolls automatically at the start everytime. Thats a little better

MinardeDec 11, 20161 votes

I'd be okay with rerolls being more readily available as a possible/partial counter-balance to all champs being available. But regardless, that's an implementation detail, and there's a number of implementation details that would need to be looked at for a ranked queue (ARAM-optimized accounts being the most widely-discussed one).

Rerolls (or lack thereof) are not an inherent flaw for ARAM. It's the same thing as the number of bans in draft. Whether you have 6 bans or 10 does affect gameplay, but it's not inextricably linked to the mode itself.

CochoDec 11, 20161 votes

Random characters is different than bans.

Random characters is an issue. If you're trying to make it somewhat competitive, then having no rerolls is a flaw.

That would be like poker, where you couldn't swap out 'x' cards XD

MinardeDec 11, 20161 votes

But rerolls already exist though. It's not some new feature that would need to be added. Like bans, it's just a question of how many of them players have.

CochoDec 11, 20161 votes

I like the comparison because theres other skills in poker than the 5 cards you're dealt, and there others skills than the 5 champs you're given, and it is better to be able to swap out what you don't want in both of them.

Going a turn where each player can't swap out their hand, is odd lol

D BagDec 7, 20162 votes

I've played over 5K ARAM games, the day Riot decided to give ranked rewards to ARAM, that's the day I will quit playing ARAM. I don't need tryhard ragers in my fun game mode. http://www.auplod.com/u/udpoal6c174.png

MinardeDec 10, 20161 votes

Since ranked would presumably be a separate queue, wouldn't you be able to just continue playing the current queue? I don't understand the "I'm not interested in competitive play, so no one should be able to have competitive play" mindset.

MinardeDec 7, 20161 votes

I agree with the concept of making the Victorious skin available to ARAM players, but I disagree with the idea of buying it or earning it through playing X number of games. The Victorious skin is meant to celebrate skilled gameplay, and both of those options make the skin much less meaningful.

Many players were upset when we lose Dominion and you didn't even give us a chance to win the icon which reminds us of the mode,

If anything, the Dominion commemorative reward was way too easy to earn. People with thousands of wins got the exact same icon as people with only one hundred wins. Riot should've done tiered rewards to congratulate/thank different levels of dedication to the mode.