In 4 years.. I just left my first game.

Narvuntien··29 votes·2,727 views

I feel so guilty :( I have had so many games ruined by leavers. But I couldn't deal with this game. It was a normal game but thats all I play.

Everyone calls something.. one play keeps changing there was mid and jungle left.. I ask which they wanted.. they picked Malzhar so I assumed they were mid and picked Fid with smite (As I have only played the new jungle once so far and I wanted to try someone with sustain this time)... so I check my masteries and flick back and see three players have smite selected and Malz has exhaust. Yi with smite gets picked as time expires.. I look down at the chat and apperently I am mid I try to change at the last second and fail to. I actually never played mid fid... maybe once.

I get into game. I type into chat "what is happening, where am I?.. please don't pick at the last second in future." They ignore me for a min and a half then say I am jungle.. but I point out that Yi has bought a jungle item.... I waddle over to blue eventually... but yi gets there first and out smites me and tells me I am mid... then palmed smashed the keyboard into chat and I left.

I am a horrible person. :'( please forgive me.

33 Comments

ShogunWolflux32 votes

forgiven

Dryditch26 votes

If that isn't excusable, I don't know what is.

Sounds like a premade troll team.

disregardable12 votes

Really? That's it? Amazing it took you 4 years to come across confusion in champion select.

LiveYiOrDieHard3 votes

Really? That's it? Amazing it took you 4 years to come across confusion in champion select.

My thoughts exactly. This happened to me at least once a week back when I played often. Why didn't you just go mid, OP?

Dreamspitter2 votes

Really? That's it? Amazing it took you 4 years to come across confusion in champion select.

I dont buy it.

Narvuntien1 votes

I have had confusion in champ select even happens sometimes in my premade team and we are on voice chat. I have played games as a lone ADC with two top lane before for example.

I am a support main and as such under normal circumstances my viens run ice, I will take all sorts of things and handle it, adujusting stratgey on the fly etc.

but everyone has thier lever and for me it is getting counter jungled by teammates... since the jungle has been so easy until the latest update I haven't felt this kind of rage since season 1 and learning to jungle.

disregardable1 votes

So just go mid...

Eleshakai6 votes

I'd forgive you... but Riot won't anymore.

Hyrum Graff2 votes

The new changes only target chronic leavers. OP is going to have to click "I agree not to leave any other games," but isn't going to get punished for this, as long as they don't do it again.

Eleshakai3 votes

The new changes only target chronic leavers. OP is going to have to click "I agree not to leave any other games," but isn't going to get punished for this, as long as they don't do it again.

They say that, but they still haven't given us any details on what they mean by chronic... for all we know that means twice in a year. The only quote we have is that in ranked it can take as few as one occurrence.... which makes ME think that their definition of 'chronic' is far different from my own.

Hyrum Graff1 votes

Everybody agrees that leaving a single match, by definition, doesn't make you a chronic leaver.

You have a good point, though, that it's not clear what makes a chronic leaver.

Eleshakai2 votes

Everybody agrees that leaving a single match, by definition, doesn't make you a chronic leaver.

You have a good point, though, that it's not clear what makes a chronic leaver.

And yet, there is a quote where Lyte himself said PRECISELY that "as few as one occurrence" referring to ranked play...

Which is what makes it so awkward. We have mixed messages, a HORRIBLE attitude from Riot(blunt statements like 'fix your connection' with no sympathy), and anecdotes coming in from all over of people being punished for having to restart the client, or for disconnecting twice, etc.

This whole system is a giant blunder, and it has made me lose most of what trust I had left in Riot.

Useless Ali gg5 votes

This is unacceptable lyte where is the perma ban lol

Meanie401 votes

Would you mind cleaning up the sarcasm you spilled? I almost slipped and fell on it.

;)

Squarefighter5 votes

Kalista No forgiveness, no mercy

Dr Clueless PhD4 votes

It sounds like you were playing Blind Pick. This kinda stuff is an eventuality in that mode, unfortunately, and if you haven't had this stuff happen to you before, you're very lucky. I suggest moving to Draft or Team Builder.

Ashes Arise4 votes

The only reason I don't leave games more often is because you can't report people if you leave.

CaesarFlickerman1 votes

THISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHISTHIS

patmax172 votes

The only reason I'm sorry you left is that you could not report them ù__ù

what game was it? ranked? normal? what level are you? and your teammates?

EDIT: found the game on lolking. Normal, bronze/silvers. I'm sorry for you :(

LiveYiOrDieHard1 votes

The only reason I'm sorry you left is that you could not report them ù__ù

what game was it? ranked? normal? what level are you? and your teammates?

EDIT: found the game on lolking. Normal, bronze/silvers. I'm sorry for you :(

Nothing the OP has said indicates his teammates should be reported. So they had bad communication, big whoop. This was a simple mixup, and there's nothing particularly unusual about asking a fiddlesticks to go mid when you have a Yi with smite and machete already. This community is so quick to report people it's sad.

patmax171 votes

If it was only miscomunication, then ok, no report of course. But what happened sounds very similar to "instalock" to me, which is not exactly what I mean with "teamwork". Of course I would play the game and see how the other teammates behave, it's quite easy to see if someone is intentionally trolling or just made a mistake/is having a bad day ^^

Wullf2 votes

I can understand some leaves but this is not the case.

You could at least try mid. Additionally smite could be interesting on other lanes.

e.g.: All team could get free health back if all were to smite red buff.

just sayin you could at least try. (btw i used to left games quite often back in my days. now it is almost impossible unless I uregntly need to go somwhere.)

Scane1 votes

I fell ya on this one.

Hyrum Graff1 votes

Wasn't that, one occurrence makes the warning message pop up?

I dunno, I guess I have faith that Riot isn't acting in bad faith. Maybe they'll mess up and punish people too much, but I don't think they're trying to ruin players' days. And if they do mess up, they'll fix their system so it works.

Daen1 votes

We have mixed messages, a HORRIBLE attitude from Riot(blunt statements like 'fix your connection' with no sympathy), and anecdotes coming in from all over of people being punished for having to restart the client, or for disconnecting twice, etc.

I'm probably going to get downvoted for this, but I really think people are blowing this way out of proportion. Bottom line, if you weren't affected by LeaverBuster you're unlikely to get affected by these new changes. The messages have maybe been a bit unclear, sure, but Riot isn't going to be punishing random people for a single leave in a four year period. My assumption is that it's intentionally obfuscated so that people can't try to game the system.

This whole system is a giant blunder, and it has made me lose most of what trust I had left in Riot.

If something this minor makes you lose trust in Riot, it seems there wasn't much trust there to begin with. I get that, I truly do. There are some things Riot does that are just weird and unnecessary from the perspective of the players, like the random chat room destruction that they were forced to revert (somewhat) a few days later or the fact it still hasn't been explained why the old forums had to be crushed into the Boards so suddenly.

Sorry, bit of a tangent. I urge you to just give it some time and see how things go. Contrary to what people seem to think, Riot has absolutely zero incentive to blanket punish their playerbase. If the system doesn't work properly, it will be worked on until it's at least passable.

Eleshakai2 votes

We have mixed messages, a HORRIBLE attitude from Riot(blunt statements like 'fix your connection' with no sympathy), and anecdotes coming in from all over of people being punished for having to restart the client, or for disconnecting twice, etc.

I'm probably going to get downvoted for this, but I really think people are blowing this way out of proportion. Bottom line, if you weren't affected by LeaverBuster you're unlikely to get affected by these new changes. The messages have maybe been a bit unclear, sure, but Riot isn't going to be punishing random people for a single leave in a four year period. My assumption is that it's intentionally obfuscated so that people can't try to game the system.

This whole system is a giant blunder, and it has made me lose most of what trust I had left in Riot.

If something this minor makes you lose trust in Riot, it seems there wasn't much trust there to begin with. I get that, I truly do. There are some things Riot does that are just weird and unnecessary from the perspective of the players, like the random chat room destruction that they were forced to revert (somewhat) a few days later or the fact it still hasn't been explained why the old forums had to be crushed into the Boards so suddenly.

Sorry, bit of a tangent. I urge you to just give it some time and see how things go. Contrary to what people seem to think, Riot has absolutely zero incentive to blanket punish their playerbase. If the system doesn't work properly, it will be worked on until it's at least passable.

The problem with your 'bottom line' is that it's not true. People already HAVE been affected by it who hadn't been previously. The new system is DESIGNED to be more aggressive... you can't be more aggressive without affecting people who didn't before. That's just impossible.

But I agree, that's why it's being obfuscated... but at this point I think they're sticking to that a little too hard. It's probably not worth keeping it obscure for the sake of that given how much trouble they're getting into OVER how obscure it is.

As to the second thing... I don't see this as something minor. This is probably, in my eyes, the least intelligent and least player-friendly thing they've EVER done. I rate this as being WAY worse than the boards, way worse than the communication over the DDOS issue, or any of the other minor things they've done. To me this is a way of teaching your fanbase a horrible message and treating them like garbage. The message it's sending: League is more important than everything else. If you disagree with this statement, if you think League should be just a game, or if you're not able to devote enough resources to ensure your situation is absolutely 100% ideal for playing the game: Find Another Game. It's teaching people that there is no valid reason for leaving a game, which is a HORRIBLE misprioritization. A large part of League's playerbase ARE still impressionable teens or kids. Is this the message we want the game to teach them? Not that I'm saying it's Riot's responsibility to raise people(because it's not), but they could at least make sure of the message their system sends so they don't make parents jobs harder. Right now it's sending the message that League of Legends is not just a game, it's more important than that. And if you treat it as less than that, you're in the wrong and MUST be punished for it - up to and including the complete removal of your ability to play. It's also telling people that the low system requirements and accessible internet requirements they have are a lie. If you cannot devote the resources to have a backup power system, a very good and very stable computer, someone to maintain it to tip top shape if you can't yourself, and a top tier internet connection.... Find Another Game.

I mean hell, they even applied this system to BOT GAMES - you know, the game mode you're supposed to play if you just want a casual experience and don't even want to worry about playing against people... the game mode that actually ADAPTS around how many players are in the game(bots will go afk if someone leaves)... so they're literally telling people that if your situation isn't ideal, then we don't want you playing... regardless of how much money you've already spent on our game.

It's like they're forgetting why they kept their system requirements low for so long.

So ya, to me... this is a big issue. It's a REALLY big issue, and it's one I don't see them adequately caring about.

Daen1 votes

It's teaching people that there is no valid reason for leaving a game, which is a HORRIBLE misprioritization. A large part of League's playerbase ARE still impressionable teens or kids. Is this the message we want the game to teach them?

There are valid reasons for leaving a game, but not consistently. I have left a few games throughout my time here (never on purpose), and I have never even seen one of these warnings. If your wife suddenly goes into labor? Yeah, obviously go help her get to the hospital and enjoy your new baby. That shouldn't be happening all that often, however, which is why this system is intended to focus on chronic leavers rather than the occasional real life crisis.

The message here is that you shouldn't be consistently leaving games for any reason. If your life is such that you don't have an hour to devote to League every once in a while, it might not be the game for you. If your internet is so spotty it cuts out enough to get you a significant number of leaves, maybe a game that's less team-reliant would be ideal. If your computer can't run League of Legends or it has issues so severe that it shuts itself off, League is likely not the right game.

Right now it's sending the message that League of Legends is not just a game, it's more important than that. And if you treat it as less than that, you're in the wrong and MUST be punished for it

It's sending the message that League of Legends is a commitment to your fellow players. Drawing a parallel to physical sports, if I decided in the middle of a game of soccer that I was done, that would ruin the experience for everyone. If it were something like "oh god my left arm just exploded" it would make sense, but that guy that keeps leaving the game for no reason isn't someone anyone wants to invite to play.

If you cannot devote the resources to have a backup power system, a very good and very stable computer, someone to maintain it to tip top shape if you can't yourself, and a top tier internet connection.... Find Another Game.

I have a desktop I built on my living room floor and internet that is impressively unstable due to Time Warner being the devil. I have left maybe 5 games in the four years I have been playing (not including things like the server crashing and kicking everyone out), despite the fact I don't have a backup power system, someone to maintain it in perfect shape, or a perfect internet connection. Again, you're blowing this out of proportion.

Look. Riot is not punishing you for not having the perfect setup; they want to ensure that the experience is as good as possible for the majority of their playerbase. If I have a teammate that's disconnected for half the game, that's a terrible experience. It doesn't matter whether that teammate ragequit or their computer died, either way it ruins the experience for between 4-9 people.

Eleshakai1 votes

Look. Riot is not punishing you for not having the perfect setup; they want to ensure that the experience is as good as possible for the majority of their playerbase. If I have a teammate that's disconnected for half the game, that's a terrible experience. It doesn't matter whether that teammate ragequit or their computer died, either way it ruins the experience for between 4-9 people.

I'm going to focus on this paragraph, because the rest of it is just a difference in opinions and it's clear we won't be able to come to agreement, so argument would be a futile gesture. My only response is that their OLD SYSTEM sent the message you're describing. By saying that that was insufficient and needing to make it MORE strict and punish people MORE frequently, including ranked punishments for single occurrences according to lyte, and by not trying to account for intent... to me, the message I described is what they're sending. You used the example of 'your left arm just exploded', but in the new system, that would still count towards punishment and possibly GET YOU PUNISHED. That's the problem. There's no accounting for intent. At all. And that's wrong.

But back on track...

It doesn't ruin the experience for me if someone has internet problems. Even in ranked. Hell, even in promos.

If a person disconnects, I just look at it as a chance to practice playing from behind and just have fun with the game. I can always win the next one. If a person RAGEQUITS on the other hand, it does frustrate me because they're intentionally disrespecting me and our allies and our enemies. A person who intentionally leaves is showing they don't respect their allies or enemies enough to finish the game. That's why they deserve punishment to me. If someone just disconnects.... they had no control over that, what is punishing them going to accomplish? Make Riot have less money? Make more people dislike them? Give their competitors more customers?

You know what makes the experience good for me? More people playing. More nice people, ordinary people. I don't give a shit if their internet is poor, or if they crash occasionally, ori f they're responsible and leave the game to take care of their sick relative, their child, or otherwise. Hell, I'd rather they leave in the latter cases, and I have frequently told people not to report people for leaving a game if there was an understandable reason. I would rather people not get punished for those cases(whether it be family emergency, internet outage, bugsplat, computer crash, or whatever) because not only have they done NOTHING WRONG but also because punishing them doesn't benefit anyone... except Riot's competitors.

GoldenLeSpoink1 votes

I haven't left one game since I played S2, as much as I wanted too. Your situation might have made me mute them all in chat, and focus in my lane. Honestly, I don't blame you for leaving a team as such, but you don't have to worry about the new LEAVERBUSTER system, only for Chronic AFKERS.

Drunk Rummate1 votes

you probably saved yourself a lot of trouble by leaving that game. i feel sorry for anyone else in that game who wasnt part of the obvious trolling since playing 4v5 is never fun though.

Magic Mo1 votes

So... you made your account 4 years ago and played your first game today?

Yawnli1 votes

i bet they were a filthy premade

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