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Report for Smurfing?

Borkahn··2 votes·3,625 views

I mean let's be honest, if they want to admit to smurfing why can't we report them for it?

Hear me out. If you are trying to get out of series and you are say...bronze. And you constantly face people who are like ya I've got a Plat 4 or what not smurf, how are you going to get out of the elo you are in? I personally think it is sad that smurfs exist. I find it sad that you have to leave the elo you are struggling in to come to lower elos to tear up people who are still learning. Really. That's pathetic. And I know this will get downvoted alot because people don't always deal with smurfs as much as others. But honestly Riot, come on now. That's annoying to be in series and lose because someone is plat 4 smurf and has the proof to go with it. (Still got one game left in my promos to s5 when I started b5 this season but you get the point) It's even more annoying when you haven't said a word to them all game and they continually rub your face in the fact that they are beating you knowing full well they are tiers and tiers higher than you.

Honestly, if not a report button, then what? Because I can't be the only lower elo who is annoyed when they are both on my team and not. Why would I be annoyed if they are on my team? Because honestly what do I learn from them being there? They do things they would never do in their elo and get away with it because they have had more time in this game. If you ask advice they just shrug you off. I mean come on.

Suggestions if not reporting because I would love for the majority of games I have with smurfs to disappear all together. If someone knows a certain time where there are fewer smurfs, feel free to leave that in the comments.

14 Comments

FHMarshy4 votes

Hey buddy, hate to break it to you, but smurfing isn't against any regulations that Riot has set out. How can you report or even ban them?

Chances are, you will be getting smurfs on YOUR team from time to time, which would likely to result in a win for you easily.

Sorry that you lost a game to smurf, but im sure some smurfs did help you to win a few along the line.

SECONDLY, if you are bronze, smurfs won't stay. For each wins, they gain 50LP just solely for their significant win rates. This means that smurf will ONLY stay low if they can't carry the game, in which case, it really shouldn't worry you.

TeemoJenkins2 votes

Honestly, if you want to climb, wouldn't you want to face tougher competition? That's the point of climbing right? To face more skilled players?

Borkahn1 votes

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Honestly, if you want to climb, wouldn't you want to face tougher competition? That's the point of climbing right? To face more skilled players?

I see the point you are making but there is a gradual improvement in my opinion that works better than going from 1st grade (bronze) to senior level in college (plat/diamond) you see what I'm saying.

Colgate Gator2 votes

Well, mate, I want to play ranked with my local friends, but they are stuck on bronze-silver so I can't really do so in my normal account.

So, yeah. If it's any consolation I deliberatedly play recklessly in these million matches I need to play up in order to get to level 30.

Korkalek1 votes

Then you will carry their ranked game, and makeit un-enjoyable for enemy team ?

Because you know, nothing is more frustrating than playing a team generally weaker than yours, but ONE clearly over-skilled player does all the work and destroy you.

Don't play ranked with them. there is no point. Or go full team, and the team Elo will be levelled so you can't solo-carry the game.

But don't make a smurf. Sorry to tell you that, but that IS toxic behavior. It ruins the game for players that want to play at their level.

redniwediS2 votes

So long as having multiple accounts is allowed by Riot smurfing will be an unreportable offense. Riot won't be giving out free accounts at your main accounts rank/level, and so making a new one will involve ranking/leveling it up. Perhaps something could be done to stop the smurfs who purposely lose promotions so they have a bronze account to mess around with, but that might be harder to implement than it sounds.

That said one of my best League memories came from leveling my smurf. My friends and I were leveling accounts, with mine at level 5, and we had a Brand against us in ARAM who wouldn't stop complaining about his team. In the post game we called him out on it, and he challenged one of us to a 1v1. I gladly accepted.

After badmouthing his team and acting as if he was above everyone else in that match I was able to force feed him his own words.

SmknWdl1 votes

Because there is no way to tell if someone is smurfing or if they are good... there is a pretty obvious way to tell if someone is trolling. You cant just report someone for being good.

Korkalek1 votes

Automated system can't, but players can.

MMR is supposed to make you play against player of roughly the same level. But sometime you see a player with a skill champ (lee sin, ez, lb ...) makes move you KNOW a player with the mmr to play against you should not be able to do.

Simply because you know that, if he can do moves like that ( Not once in a while, but every time during the whole game.) he should have raised higher than he is.

Unless his account is recent (but then he really couldn't be that good already, unless it's not his first account ...) Or he alternate game where he hard carry, and games that he loose on purpose to maintain a low MMR.

Yes, I've seen people do that. People in my riend list, plat and diams. I would see then in a game with their smurfs, loosing, and when I ask them why, they tell me they are just doing it to keep their smurfs low, to be able to play with lower level friends. To quote them " it's not hard to throw a game without obviously feeding."

Borkahn1 votes

Not so much being good.I can accept someone better. I'm saying people admitting to smurfing and in addition to that all the lack of humbleness even though they're beating the crap out of us like they probably should if they are a smurf, you see what I'm saying

Aatrox Herself1 votes

I have a friend who smurfed, And was level 19 at the time. He Afked alot because his parents made him. He just made a new account and said Fuck it.

Korkalek1 votes

You could. It would just work the way the report for "unskilled player" works

You know, when you report someone for being unskilled, it doesn't work the way other reports do. You don't get to tribunal and can't be punished, but it affect your Elo to place you a bit lower, and makes you play againt player of your level.

Report for smurfing could work the same way : No sanction, but raise a bit the Elo so the smurfs get matched against stronger player faster.

That would help the already existing system (because riot as already stated that they have way of detecting smurfs, and putting them at their right level.)

Lorinne1 votes

There's nothing wrong with smurfing. I have like five accounts (not that any of them are high elo or anything, I just like coming up with creative names and I have several friends who started playing at different times and I don't want to play nothing but bot games with them on my main account so I just hop on a lowbie account and level up with them while teaching them basic things about the game and just having fun). Most smurfs aren't the asshats you describe, and as for the ones who are asshats, well, you can report them for being asshats. You don't have to have a report option for smurfs; if they're good they'll climb out of your elo quickly enough either way so don't worry about it. If they BM or troll or harass people, there are several report options for such behavior. You've probably played with a lot more smurfs than you think; it's just most of them don't make a big hub-bub about it because they have other reasons to level a smurf besides rubbing their skill in the faces of lowbies (such as making an account to play with friends on a different server, trying to get multiple accounts into high elos in order to test their own abilities via proving that getting a high elo on their main account wasn't a fluke, wanting an account where they can test new things without being harassed by higher elo people who don't want to let them explore such things or without having to spam bots/customs on their main account, because they thought of an awesome name and don't want to pay for a name change, etc, etc...).

Korkalek1 votes

The official position of Riot is that smurfs are bad for the game though.

Reason is obvious : the game try to match people with similar skill level. This is hard, and it takes the system a lot of games to quantify more or less the level of someone.

When you smurf, you make it harder for the system to organise balanced games.

You're right, I might have played with a lot of smurfs without knowing it. And it probably were during bad games for me, where I ended up loosing to superior player because their smurfs where not yet accurately ranked.

Smurfs are not bad because you know they're smurfs. They are bad because they make lower level player play against experienced player when they shouldn't.

When you're going to play with your friend to teach them the basics, you'll also make a team of newbie loose, because the MMR pitched them against you without knowing you where gonna be a big help. They are supposed to havea fair chance of winning, they won't. Even if they don't know you smurf, you will make the game less enjoyable for them.

Lorinne1 votes

The official position of Riot is they don't care about smurfs. They've said multiple times that it's not a reportable offense and people smurfing are doing nothing wrong as long as they aren't using the smurfs as a means of boosting other players or selling accounts or any of that crap.

Your entire argument is people will have a bad time if they lose games - but losing games is just how PVP works sometimes. You're gonna get matched against players that will stomp you, regardless of if smurfs existed or not. There's always something to learn from any loss (whether it's realizing mistakes you and your team made or learning from how awesome the other team played or whatever). Smurfs aren't don't anything harmful to the game. In fact, most people I know that smurf seize the opportunity to help ANY newbie they meet in a game improve, not just the ones they're playing with; a good natured smurf can do a lot of good. I know I have several people on my friends lists that I met on smurfs, talked to and gave basic advice, and then they begged me to add them so that they'll have someone to ask questions to who they know is friendly. There's no way that's a bad thing.

And, generally speaking, MMR will try to level out between the teams. Also, there's a survey whenever you make an account that asks how much experience you have. As long as most people answer honestly, real deal newbies won't get matched up with smurfs that often. And, in the grand scheme of the hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of games played per day - I'd say most of them DON'T get matched up with smurfs. It's really not as big as a "problem" as you're making it out to be.

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