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₪Bronze should be an actual rank, not a cesspool of poor players₪

King Odin··77 votes·3,661 views

It's time that you actually had to win a certain number of games to get into Bronze. It can't be that as long as you played ranked you will get to enter Bronze just because it's the lowest rank. I think that players should be kicked out of Bronze if they are at 0 LP Bronze 5, the same way you can be demoted to Silver from Gold 5. Also with this feature, so people don't abuse it as a reset you can't enter a ranked game for 3 days after being kicked out of Bronze. This way players that are supposedly stuck in Bronze, have another chance at starting higher in Bronze and won't be stuck in Bronze when they play at "Gold" level. Just incase, players in Bronze can not be placed higher than Bronze I, otherwise Silver ELOS would have an influx of really lucky bad players.

I just think that Bronze should go back to the way it was in season 2, where you needed to have a certain MMR. Atleast that's what I heard.

77 Comments

Commit Sudoku20 votes

create rank below bronze called the "Seriously Guys, Really" rank

SEKAI18 votes

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create rank below bronze called th "Seriously Guys, Really" rank

"Challenged" tier confirmed lelelele

blueberrypancake2 votes

Jinx

She's got problems

T RexHasTinyArms4 votes

Na man, I want a Wood tier below bronze. Then I can level a new account to level 30 and have an ADC main account that will actually be able to be placed in the appropriate skill level for my wood 5 ADC skills. :( just don't ever play ADC in ranked right now and it'd be fun if there was a wood tier.

Snake Town4 votes

we can finally have cardboard VII

T RexHasTinyArms4 votes

Lol kicked out of ranked into homeless division, here have a cardboard box to sleep in when you play ranked.

Edit: You'd think I'd be more sensitive after doing two years of a counseling masters. Guess this is why I switched to an academic masters rather than clinical.

Rew7114 votes

Ranking System – "Welcome to the Basic League. You're not in a League yet, but soon, after going through the ranks in our Beginner ranking system, you can get into Bronze."

Me – "What? What is this place? And why do I feel so worthless?"

Ranking System – "This place is for those who can never win any matches and are put here with others of their level who will learn together on how to play the game right. You will have an easier chance to get into Bronze league as if you get up to 100 LP, you then have to win only 2 out of 5 matches to get into Bronze."

Me – "Wait, so, I'm pathetic?"

Ranking System – "Yes"

Me – "So, me being in this League means that I have to more than likely carry my team, get a higher ranking friend, or just be lucky not to get a troll. Why are you doing this?"

Ranking System – "To allow Bronze League to not be as difficult to pass as it once was. We also hope this will allow some peace to majority of Bronze players from prejudice (but we know that will never end unless a completely new rank was made)."

Me – "...uh, okay..."

lDontLiftIcarry1 votes

{quoted}

Me – "So, me being in this League means that I have to more than likely carry my team, get a higher ranking friend, or just be lucky not to get a troll. Why are you doing this?"

if you could carry you'd be at least gold or higher.

Rew7111 votes

Is it really hard to carry a team that is bellow bronze?

Mistress Madoka4 votes

Some of them are really heavy, man.

lDontLiftIcarry1 votes

sounds like a useless masters.

T RexHasTinyArms1 votes

Yeah, license makes getting a job easy, but other than that a lot of learning for counseling is on the job or CE for specific stuff. I like the academic side better. At least then you get to be more involved in research/lit review stuff and end up w/ a more solid education in what you want to know. (Although honestly that's just bonus since the only reason I'm really completing is that I was close anyway and it works for admin position qualifications.)

Baculus4 votes

S1, Bronze was like top 30-20% or summit and genuinely mattered. It was equivelant to gold today (and gold back then was equal to high plat/low diamond). They devalued all ranks so bads could get nice things.

T RexHasTinyArms1 votes

:D Wait what is nice about Bronze and silver? You don't get rewards for anything. It's just a tracking measure for if you're getting better or not basically. I mean I suppose going back to a strictly face value ELO system would be kinda cool, but I dunno, I like this one too.

Aerothal2 votes

what do you mean you dont get rewards? in bronze you get the bronze summoners icon. in silver you get the silver icon plus a ward skin. those are rewards.

ijustlikejuice3 votes

i think the bronze summoner icon is the opposite of a reward

Totalis4 votes

"This way players that are supposedly stuck in Bronze, have another chance at starting higher in Bronze and won't be stuck in Bronze when they play at "Gold" level."

LOL if they are playing at gold level they won't be stuck in bronze, sorry op.

Occams Raiser2 votes

This is improbable but not implausible.

Baculus2 votes

If you're Gold level in Bronze, every game is a buffet.

Occams Raiser2 votes

Eat your fill til you lose. Rarely can one man out push 4 to 5 of the opposition.

EL HAMSTERO3 votes

why? there is already a lowest rank. it is called bronze. I don't see why there needs to be something below the lowest

Occams Raiser1 votes

I still think there is something odd that their is such grouping in certain divisions. I would like to see a linear scale progression or even a skill curve of some sort. But at current you got these bloats of certain divisions.

EL HAMSTERO1 votes

well its true that bronze 4 and 5 are a world behind bronze 1, but no one who doesn't belong there really could be stuck there for long.

PubgamerAU1 votes

I don't think there should be a rank below bronze. It should be 'unranked'.

junglerboy162 votes

The only thing I don't like about this idea is that people like myself who don't play ranked because we don't like it would get lumped together with the "too bad to get a rank" players rather than "chose not to play ranked" players, which defeats the purpose of me not wanting to play ranked (I want to avoid any sort of rank tag so people don't treat me like I'm either trash or some gaming god because I rank higher or lower than them).

T RexHasTinyArms1 votes

? but normals have an MMR level too, so if people really give a shit, they can just look at your match history and see what mmr the majority of people you are matched w/ are. You'd probably be around that level in ranked. Also unless you lost literally every placement match you wouldn't be in that tier, and so honestly it doesn't matter much, since you'd have to be pretty low bronze currently to even be potentially in the range that would risk that.

junglerboy161 votes

huh, I didn't think about that part of it... I guess I don't see a reason not to implement this idea then!

T RexHasTinyArms1 votes

Yeah I remember when I first learned that normals had MMR and was like WTF? You mean you can figure out approximate rank by who you're playing in normals? Mind blown. S3 I actually played a lot of normals leading up to my first jump into ranked and was bronze 4, worked really hard to get better and pushed to Gold 5, but was like silver 2 skill level honestly. Jumped into a couple normal games to try new champs I wanted to add to ranked and was like, holy shit, this is the level I used to be at, I completely forgot that.

junglerboy161 votes

Well yeah, I knew normals had MMR, I just didn't realize people could just look it up whenever they wanted to, I always thought it was some hidden statistic used exclusively for matchmaking in the queue.

AxlStream2 votes

Yes. Riot needs to restrict the access to ranked games more than they are now. Low elo feels like a true lottery with all the disparity of skill level going around. You don't feel all that good about your play when you win and you just feel angry from getting stomped. Ideally every match should be close games, that'd feel fantastic but it isn't. It's always a stomp.

Dr Poro2 votes

Getting into bronze is actually quite an achievement nowadays. Did you know there are less bronze players than gold players? They seem to be forming a supreme cult or something.

http://www.lolsummoners.com/stats/euw

SEKAI1 votes

That sounds cool, 1 gripe though,

If say I get kicked out of B5 0LP because I suck too hard, I should be able to get back into rank again after say maybe 5 placement matches instead of doing 10 all over again, assuming if I go back into ranked within the same season I get kicked out.

And also there should be a smoothing period where one can't immediately get back into ranked after getting kicked out, similarly one can't get immediately kicked out when they are just placed into ranked.

DrCyanide4 votes

My personal thoughts: if you drop out if Bronze 5, you go back to being unranked, and given a little message suggesting you practice more in normals. You can get back into Bronze 5 via a division promotional series.

Basically, treat Bronze 5 like any other 5, only having unranked below it.

Learnding1 votes

{quoted}

That sounds cool, 1 gripe though,

If say I get kicked out of B5 0LP because I suck too hard, I should be able to get back into rank again after say maybe 5 placement matches instead of doing 10 all over again, assuming if I go back into ranked within the same season I get kicked out.

And also there should be a smoothing period where one can't immediately get back into ranked after getting kicked out, similarly one can't get immediately kicked out when they are just placed into ranked.

No, you should stay out of that division until you meet the skill requirements to actually perform.

XinZhao2WinNhao1 votes

I dont think kicking people out of ranked for being bad is a good idea. I do think that having a tier lower than bronze is a good idea. I am bronze V and I see the difference between a 800 MMR bronze V and a 0 MMR bronze V

Drukyul1 votes

Bring back Unranked!

If you're not good enough for Bronze, the game will just display as if you never play ranked games.

Ryvaku1 votes

As a silver. Being paired up with bronzes is the worst. Winning/Losing mmr system should return back to KDA.

Mistress Madoka1 votes

Noo! That would destroy my Chances of EVER getting to Challenjour!

XinZhao2WinNhao1 votes

{quoted}

As a silver. Being paired up with bronzes is the worst. Winning/Losing mmr system should return back to KDA.

If it was about KDA I would probably be paired with you. And I'm bronze, so...

Bouffon dAnglais1 votes

Are you from Israel? Because of the NIS

arcinex1 votes

Hey fucking copycat.

Th3Cardinal1 votes

The legendary wood rank

Retillin1 votes

Adding another tier doesn't change anything. Splitting Bronze up into two (let's say Bronze and Wood) doesn't change the fact that the people in Wood would still be worse than those in Bronze. It wouldn't mean all those in Bronze would be "free from the feeders" and end up in Silver. At the end of the day, if someone doesn't rise up after (let's say 100 games) they don't deserve to rise in the rankings. If there is 50% chance for each player to be a feeder/afk/troll, you should be winning more than you lose. That means 2/5 of their team is bad, 2/5 of your team is bad. And there is a 50/50 chance one more guy on their team is bad, as long as you are better than he/she, you will win more games than you lose. People always remember the bad times, when you had the feeder/afk/troll, but nobody remembers the times when that person was on the other team.

DeathBySquirrel1 votes

You're missing the point. There's a diverse range of skill in bronze. Some Bronzies are decent players who need to work on specific things. Others are absolute garbage. They don't even know how to CS properly, or don't even know wtf a gold income item is etc.

By segmenting the HUGE bronze division into two or three other divisions you allow mmr to actually work and pit players against people of their actual skill level. This promotes growth. the division as of now is stagnate. very little upward mobility.

I cant count the number of games in low elo where one side just crushes the other. This isn't normal. Close games are evidence to a healthy division. It's not fun or helpful to get stomped mercilessly by higher skilled opponents. You learn nothing. On the flip side, stomping less skilled opponents isn't even fun. After getting your ass handed to you for 3-4 hours stomping someone else might be therapeutic, but that's about it.

Retillin1 votes

I guess I'm missing something then. MMR (hidden as it is) still counts more than what rank someone is. When I first climbed out of Bronze, I thought "oh sweet god I'm done with afkers and trolls". I had just as many in Silver. When I got to Gold, same thing. It REALLY doesn't matter. You will see high level streamers say there is no difference between bronze and diamond 3, (trolls/afkers/ect...). Theoddone has said this many times as an example. People are bad, having a bad game, getting massivle out-played, ect... in any game. MMR is still there, that is how you get matched vs someone. If you have MMR of a Silver 2, it doesn't matter if you are Bronze 3. Unless your argument is that Riot's MMR system is wrong (totally different argument and one where you might be right) then adding a new League doesn't change/fix things. One people stop blaming the current league system (just as they did the ELO before hand) they start to rise. I have seen massive one sided games in Gold, it's not fun. But what you are talking about are more smurf people who want to show their epeen. Those people are going to be at whatever rank they have fun with *until they hit their correct rank, and then they will throw matches to get placed lower again.

AJStarhiker1 votes

Here's the thing: Back in S1, everyone had a number for ranking. They could have a cutoff and say that 1275 is Bronze and everyone who couldn't reach/maintain that rank was, effectively, unranked. Then they decided to hide the Elo/MMR behind Divisions and Tiers and at that point, they needed something to call the bottom of the ranked ladders. They decided to make that Bronze.

TBH, I wasn't thrilled with the change. I still don't particularly like how the tiers work. I understand the goal (to help you find other players at a similar skill level), but I still don't care for the implementation. I personally thought the old numbered system made it easier to see where you fit vs. everyone else.

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