hybrid tristana, AD tristana, AP tristana

RickDodger··1 votes·1,244 views

Anyone try out tristana yet?

I just wanted to mention it in terms of knowing how many people Main tristana, and how many people have played AD/AP/Hybrid style champions. I'd only assume this makes tristana another hybrid champion like corki, jax, and kayla.

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Jubbinaut2 votes

Keep in mind that they nerfed her AP scaling:

  • Ult now has 1.0 AP scaling, down from 1.4
  • W now has 0.5 AP scaling, down from 0.8

The changes to her E may allow AP Trist to remain a thing, but she's not going to be quite the burst she used to be. I could actually see the new item 3146 being pretty solid as an AP item.

But hybrid? I don't think so. Dedicating to either path is, I think, far more effective than trying to split the difference. And of the two, I think AD is more likely to remain viable and effective.

RickDodger1 votes

You wouldn't imagine rage blade or nashors tooth? I would've gone with those, essence reaver, and will of the ancients with berserker greaves. more uses of E and Q and the ability to keep up her mana.

Jubbinaut1 votes

The change to Hextech makes it a stronger AP item that happens to synergize with the AA-centric portions of her kit (E and Q) by offering a little bit of AD and some lifesteal. As such, I can see it being a pretty solid item for AP Tristana.

But... well, looking at the build you recommend (Assuming you intended Hextech as well as your list: item 3146 item 3124 item 3115 item 3508 item 3152 item 3006), you're looking at the following stats:

150 AD, 260 AP, 20% Lifesteal, +75% AS, 40% CDR, 40% Spellvamp, plus a handful of interesting passives and actives, but with no penetration.

Alternatively, a pure ADC build (item 3031 item 3046 item 3072 item 3035 item 3006 item 3026), would have:

200 AD, 20% Lifesteal, +75% AS, 55% crit, 35% Arpen, 50 Armor, 50 MR, plus a handful of interesting passives and actives. The added benefit of armor pen and defenses offered by the focused build means more survivability and more effective damage to tanks and bruisers.

A pure APC build (item 3089 item 3157 item 3165 item 3135 item 3020 item 3001), would have:

598 AP (including Rabcap passive), 20% cdr, +100% mana regen, 35% Mpen, 15 flat Mpen, 50 Armor, 50 MR, plus a handful of interesting passives and actives (including replacing the Grievous Wounds lost from her E). Again, the additional benefit of Magic pen and defenses means more survivability and more effective damage.


I stand by what I said: Pure AD or Pure AP is almost certainly more effective than hybrid. Which is not to say that hybrid doesn't have a place as a niche build. But I don't expect to see it suddenly become the Trist build.

RickDodger1 votes

My reason being it's because she's doing mixed damage. Her W does magic, her E does physical. While the AD route means you're doing more damage with your E, the AP route lets you do more damage with your W and R. I figure doing a blend of both damages stacking at once on an enemy trying to build resistance for two damages at once would make it more difficult. But this is really something I wanna tweak to help make it work if I can. Either switching item 3508 and item 3152 for item 3035 and item 3135 for the penetration, but less survivability and passives.

But I'm feeling like I'm going to either beat a dead horse or make myself feel less intuitive about 'effective' or 'efficient'.

Jubbinaut1 votes

Oh, I get what you're saying. Absolutely.

But - outside of certain situations - I think that it's simply not likely to be as effective as a more specialized build.

RickDodger1 votes

anyone mind giving me any feedback at least damnit?

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

I haven't played her, but I'm with Jubbinaut. They nerfed her AP ratios, and I already thought AP Trist was laughable. I don't see how she could possibly go hybrid or AP now.

RickDodger1 votes

she still can. Her AP ratio is 0.5. If you auto attack someone with E, the 0.5 turns into 1.0...

her W can turn from 0.5 to 1.0 when you jump on someone instead of auto attack a 5th time.

then you can ult for another 1.0 AP!!!

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

Ok fair... Still sounds pretty situational to me. If DFG wasn't gone, I could see it happening more easily. I think it will be difficult without that burst.

RickDodger2 votes

It's meant to give assassin players more understanding of when it's worth rocketing in and knocking an enemy back. or using E to blast a tank with a bomb and make them blow up in the back line with an R displacement. In a clean-up manner, it's W and Q to rocket jump and auto someone to death, then W again and auto the next person. But this ignores using her E when it's built for making towers go bye bye fast and making her a pushing fiend with her methods of escape or counterplay.

Also, You remember how league is trying to keep away from gameplays revolving around DFG...

ModKnightsKemplar3 votes

Hey, you make it work, you add me and we'll play. This is one of those issues where I have an opinion, but I'd love to be wrong.

Xtremey1 votes

they killed ap tristana. shit on her ratios while THEY REMOVED DFG. wtf....

RickDodger1 votes

If you're complaining then you're playing her wrong.

Beobear1 votes

I think what hurts the worst is not the loss of AP but the loss of grievous wounds. The lack of healing ability is what setup a target.

Now she is just a fast-shooting crit hitting with a good escape ability

Count Ingcrows1 votes

Jubbinaut was correct in pointing out the flaw in the hybrid build, you lose too many stats in either direction to justify it while only really benefitting one skill.

 Beyond that, as someone who was an avid AP Tristana player prior to the rework, I can attest that AP Tristana is now really, really bad. AP simply doesn't have the auto attack damage, even with a Nashor's,  to make it worthwhile sticking around to pump up her E. Nor does her E-W-R do enough damage now to safely be able to kill most champs. She also lost much of her trade/harass ability when they reworked E.  Her old E worked really well with Liandry/Rylai for harass/damage in a fire and forget manner.  It now only does mediocre damage unless you pump it up.

Of course if you're taking the time to pump it up for damage then you have to consider the amount of damage that you're losing in those 4/5 auto attacks by not building AD instead. Sure AP has an effective 1.0 ratio, but AD has a 2.2 ratio at maximum stacks-- which would appear at first glance to cover the disparity between the cost of each stat.

tldr; AD is just hands down better right now, because they gutted AP burst/harass.

RickDodger1 votes

item 3115 and item 3091 work in tandum to give her the attack speed for it. Then you throw in her Q for another huge boost in attack speed... jump in with W for 2.0 AP ratio, then blast with 1.0 ap ratio ultimate ... that's 3.0 AP Ratio in mixed damage. two sources magical, one source physical.

item 3165 is for grievous wounds still, which can apply still with her E long as it deals spell damage.

item 3151 still applies when you use it with her W, and her R, on the same target. Course it can also work with E regardless.

item 3135 grants penetration for her W and R respectively.

and if you go over the appropriate stats... the mix of item 3115 and item 3091 is basically 100% attack speed buff with her usual 110% attack speed buff ... You still think she can't stick around to watch the target go pop in under 2.25 seconds and W back out after a kill?

Ariaflux1 votes

Oh hey, I had the same idea as you. Tried to get feedback on AP Trist but no one seems interested lol

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/BsGe7ErW-hows-the-new-tristana

I think Nashor and Gunblade, then build pure AP might work. Complete build could be:

Core: item 3020 item 3115 item 3146 item 3165

item 3089 or item 3157

Last item can be item 3091 or item 3135 for penetration

RickDodger1 votes

Now that's what I'm talking about.

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