Thank You So Very Much Riot !!! Every time I see someone complain about punishments...

nerak23·Mar 20, 2015·11 votes·1,825 views

....I think Thank You Riot for being a stand up company. You are making ground breaking measures about how these games are going to be done in the future. I like how you are going about trying to both incorporate the players wishes about Toxic Behavior while doing something novel and real about it.

Every time I see one of those post that say "I'd rather have a time out" then a chat restriction I inwardly applaud you. Is the system flawless, welp No it isn't...But Riot is working on it. It is changing to meet the demands of it's player base.

As for those of you who think the chat filter and mute button is a reason to be a Jerk. Well, again I point you to all the Riot you suck posts. I hope for the longevity of League Of Legends, they continue on the path they are headed. Just because you are on the internet it doesn't give you the right to say anything Nasty thing you feel like.

What happened to Sportsmanship and cooperation ? LOL is a Team sport...learn it, know it, deal with it...or get punished. I hope LOL keeps up the good work..BRAVO to you. !!!

34 Comments

disregardableMar 20, 20154 votes

That's incredibly stupid. The report system is horrifically flawed. It has nothing to do with the actual offenses anyone does; it just punishes you for being reported consistently.

RaptameiMar 20, 20155 votes

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That's incredibly stupid. The report system is horrifically flawed. It has nothing to do with the actual offenses anyone does; it just punishes you for being reported consistently.

If you get reported consistently, people consistently dislike having you on their team, just saying.

disregardableMar 20, 20152 votes

Oh okay. So now being "disliked" by random people is against the rules? didn't know that.

RaptameiMar 20, 20152 votes

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Oh okay. So now being "disliked" by random people is against the rules? didn't know that.

Being disliked more frequently than 95% of these population may indicate you're a dick though.

disregardableMar 20, 20152 votes

2 things.

You only need to get reported 1/3rd of your games. Irrational children play this game.

AerothalMar 20, 20152 votes

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2 things.

You only need to get reported 1/3rd of your games. Irrational children play this game.

and yet, there are players like me who have been playing since season 2 and have never received any punishment ever.

I am really no angel. i have my moments and i got the little warning pop up before. but i have never been punished in any way. If you get punished you deserve it!

disregardableMar 20, 20151 votes

Except thousands of times, they didn't. That's the whole reason we had the tribunal in the first place. To single out the toxic from those targeted by annoying children.

AerothalMar 20, 20153 votes

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Except thousands of times, they didn't. That's the whole reason we had the tribunal in the first place. To single out the toxic from those targeted by annoying children.

and the tribunal will be back. until then i am thankful for an automated system that at least gets rid of some of the toxic scum we have to encounter all the time. And if the automatic system really made a mistake and unjustly restricted you, you can still contact support!

disregardableMar 20, 20151 votes

Yes, and they will give you the same copy-paste reply they give everyone.

While the Tribunal is in recess, we're unable to provide specific chat logs or reform cards for chat restrictions. I'd be happy to help clarify what's going on but it's important to note ahead of time, we will not be removing or reducing the number of chat restrictions placed on an account.

Just like Leaverbuster, Riot wants you to be treated the same whether you actually were toxic or it just looked like you were.

b1TLHaKERlMar 20, 20151 votes

Aerothal, the guy who made homophobic slurs on the boards, "has been playing since season 2 and have never received any punishment ever." I can say for a fact that your posts get deleted on a regular basis, and you probably get punished as well in-game.

AerothalMar 20, 20151 votes

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Aerothal, the guy who made homophobic slurs on the boards, "has been playing since season 2 and have never received any punishment ever." I can say for a fact that your posts get deleted on a regular basis, and you probably get punished as well in-game.

lol. sure man, tons of homophobic slurs everywhere in my posts. and they so get deleted on a regular basis all the time! I am honored you are following whatever i say so meticulously! but really, i just looked. I had four (4) posts removed since i have been posting. all for the "dont be a jerk" rule. there was no homophobic slur ever. You are one sad guy spreading lies!

b1TLHaKERlMar 20, 20151 votes

Or perhaps he sticks up for himself and others who are picked on for being called "garbage," and then the flamers end up threatening to report him, because they think that by getting him riled up enough to reply, and then reporting him, that he will get banned? Yeah, you haven't been playing long, or you're willfully ignorant, take your pick.

RaptameiMar 20, 20153 votes

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Or perhaps he sticks up for himself and others who are picked on for being called "garbage," and then the flamers end up threatening to report him, because they think that by getting him riled up enough to reply, and then reporting him, that he will get banned? Yeah, you haven't been playing long, or you're willfully ignorant, take your pick.

Or you could just mute and report.

b1TLHaKERlMar 21, 20151 votes

Or you could stop perpetuating toxicity via banning people for sticking up for themselves and their fellow players.

StrawberrycocoaMar 20, 20152 votes

Now if only it could stop them from just making a new account when they get banned and polluting the leveling experience.

BlizzardMOBAsoonMar 20, 20151 votes

Yes because you're the perfect gentleman, and they are all the devil, right? I think perhaps your ego is a bit too large to be taken seriously, at all, ever.

Luckily people like you are never in charge, and that's how it should remain.

StrawberrycocoaMar 20, 20152 votes

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Yes because you're the perfect gentleman, and they are all the devil, right? I think perhaps your ego is a bit too large to be taken seriously, at all, ever.

Luckily people like you are never in charge, and that's how it should remain.

Riot's pretty lenient on their punishments and they detest having to ban people. I lose my temper sometimes, but I've never even had a warning. So if someone's been toxic enough to have their punishment reach the level of a ban, I don't want them coming back into the matchmaking pool on a fresh account. They can just go somewhere else for all I care.

nerak23Mar 20, 20152 votes

Riot's pretty lenient on their punishments and they detest having to ban people. I lose my temper sometimes, but I've never even had a warning. So if someone's been toxic enough to have their punishment reach the level of a ban, I don't want them coming back into the matchmaking pool on a fresh account. They can just go somewhere else for all I care.

Thank you here I agree with you almost ..almost completely.

KazaashiMar 20, 20152 votes

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Thank you here I agree with you almost ..almost completely.

It's nice to see a post like yours. Anyone who has been complaining in this thread didn't learn to properly ignore bullies when they were growing up. They feel that since someone hurt them, it is ok to hurt someone back.

Watch any televised sports game and if punches are thrown, who gets ejected? 9 out of 10 times it is the person who threw the second punch that gets ejected.

nerak23Mar 20, 20152 votes

Still I have that ever present question, why does anyone feel the need to be a "Jerk" in game ? Really I want to know why someone should shut the chat off because YOU are being an ASSHOLE ??.... Yeah I know I lost my credibility just now but I don't care I want to know what sets people off,,,,??

Can anyone make sense of it ?

Ice Weasel XMar 20, 20153 votes

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Still I have that ever present question, why does anyone feel the need to be a "Jerk" in game ? Really I want to know why someone should shut the chat off because YOU are being an ASSHOLE ??.... Yeah I know I lost my credibility just now but I don't care I want to know what sets people off,,,,??

Can anyone make sense of it ?

It's the lack of expected consequences.

Some of the most vitriolic people I've seen online simply can't act that way IRL due to consequences. I moderated a couple of MMOs in the past. Their art style was pretty cutesy, cartoonish stuff - a bit of fantasy, a bit of steampunk. What's odd is that a lot of the troublesome types would threaten violence on other players and commonly claimed that they were gangsters, thugs, and/or scary ghetto denizens. I don't imagine someone who actually had such street cred would retain it by spending hours every day playing games where the big spenders gained the privilege of wearing fairy wings.

A guy I gamed with in the past was known for being an asshole. He was proud of it, and talked trash to everyone he met. IRL, he was dishonorably discharged from the military for his behavior and couldn't afford to upgrade his computer to play the games he wanted. He stole from a friend so he could play games. He caused the split of a tight group of gamers. He's one of those rarities that actually does act the same IRL. Despite the fact that he keeps breaking things (his employment, his friendships, etc.), he sets out to act like that online and gets pissed when he reaps the consequences.

I've watched timid children turn into utter horrors online. One kid got scolded for saying, "hell." Another wasn't allowed to say, "stupid." Online, they just went nuts. They knew their parents would never see what they said. If they acted that way IRL, they'd be spanked in front of company.

The people who act up online are selfish. They don't care that they're upsetting others (or that is their goal), and often play the victim when they are penalized for their behavior. It doesn't matter if the penalties are known in advance. Because it's them, they feel they should be able to avoid the penalties. Entitlement reigns.

JubbinautMar 20, 20152 votes

Well said.

It's strange to me that people believe they should be exempt from consequences on the internet merely because those consequences are not naturally-arising. Many of the consequences of negative behavior in real life aren't necessarily natural responses to the behavior, either (prison, jail time, fines, etc. etc.), but they don't seem to bat an eye about that, quickly creating a different argument entirely: "Yeah, well that's different, that's worse than what I did."

It's utterly confounding.

Project RivenMar 22, 20152 votes

I think Riot should have a team (or maybe they do) that review cases submitted from a number of reports.

To further increase the effectiveness of this method, they need to show the community who got banned for what. Like they need to make a weekly announcement of the players banned/chat restricted/etc.

Everybody knows that from when they're were a child, when a child witnesses a punishment/discipline, that child will learn not to do it. It's a common method of (you can say) intimidation. Police uses it. The media uses it. Television shows and cartoons uses it.

Countless times when a player knows he is going to be reported, they will respond with "w/e, nothing's gonna happen" and honestly, nobody knows that and majority of the players probably do think nothing IS going to happen.

So to show the community that Riot is on the move and punishing people, players will naturally stop misbehaving because of intimidation.

nerak23Mar 20, 20151 votes

That's incredibly stupid. The report system is horrifically flawed. It has nothing to do with the actual offenses anyone does; it just punishes you for being reported consistently.

Did I say anything about how the report system works?

nerak23Mar 20, 20151 votes

Oh okay. So now being "disliked" by random people is against the rules? didn't know that.

By my opining statement maybe it is though... I don't want to insult you but... I had said that Riot is trying to accommodate the player base and if the majority of your teammates and opponents think you need a report then maybe ??

But that really wasn't the point of this post. AFK I have seen you post and understand more then you might think. I did not direct this post at you or anyone else, so I don't understand why you brought up reporting. But, if you'd like to vent and say please do :)

nerak23Mar 20, 20151 votes

Wait a min... This is Not what this post is about !!! It is about Riot doing the right things to learn about how to run this game respectively and trying to accommodate its player base.

Stop arguing about what this post is not about !!

The point was hahaha to have all the buthurt assholes who complain to put a post up !!!!!!!

NOOO, Really it is about respect in it's most basic form and no one yet has seen this for what it is.

nerak23Mar 20, 20151 votes

Just like Leaverbuster, Riot wants you to be treated the same whether you actually were toxic or it just looked like you were.

Not True and I ask any Rioter or anyone else with some gumption to speak up. AFK I have been nice up to a point, do you want to go back and review what you have said about stuff on here ? Or would you like to talk about it and maybe > get somethings noticed and done?

I may not agree with you at all points but at times you have some valid things to say...lets stick with that and stop DERAILING my Thread @@@!!!!!!

nerak23Mar 20, 20151 votes

Watch any televised sports game and if punches are thrown, who gets ejected? 9 out of 10 times it is the person who threw the second punch that gets ejected.

See I agree with you..and it is ashamed that this is the reoccurring theme. I Hate bullies and believe Riot could do more about this problem...thing is they need time to do this. I have and will always call out bullies and I will not apologize for it. But, if a person takes a bit of time and looks stuff up they will see Riot working very hard on this problem.

It's nice to see a post like yours. Anyone who has been complaining in this thread didn't learn to properly ignore bullies when they were growing up. They feel that since someone hurt them, it is ok to hurt someone back.

Thank You for this!!! What I want to put forth the most is Riot is Trying and if we all state our real opinions they can do a better job at this...and while we mostly agree about things it Doesn't make other points invalid. I would like to see both sides of the situation talked about ..EXCEPT That I insist that people respect what others say even it they don't agree....

nerak23Mar 20, 20151 votes

Just curious to know why I am getting down voted ? I don't mind so much but I'd like to know why you disagree with my op ? I am willing to listen to you !

nerak23Mar 20, 20151 votes

The people who act up online are selfish. They don't care that they're upsetting others (or that is their goal), and often play the victim when they are penalized for their behavior. It doesn't matter if the penalties are known in advance. Because it's them, they feel they should be able to avoid the penalties. Entitlement reigns.

Wow, your post touched me. The whole thing not just what I quoted. And I got to say really Ty for sharing this... your first statement though,

It's the lack of expected consequences.

I ask You and anyone who might be reading... what do you think can be done about this? I'd say hit punishments harder the first time, but after listening to one of Lytes seminars I really consider that Riot is taking so long on such things as the Tribunal because they want to get it correct.

I'd also say That Now IS the Time to Say What You Think !!!!! Take a moment of your time and chime in on the subject !!! I for one may not agree with whatever anyone has to say but it is important for Riot to see you opinion,,, Take a min. and Tell me what you think !!! I'd also like to say Please add to this thread if you think it has a tiny chance of making a difference...I can tell you one thing for sure,,,I will read ;)

JubbinautMar 20, 20151 votes

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I ask You and anyone who might be reading... what do you think can be done about this? I'd say hit punishments harder the first time, but after listening to one of Lytes seminars I really consider that Riot is taking so long on such things as the Tribunal because they want to get it correct.

Better Communication.

Okay, okay, it won't work for everything, obviously. But if Riot can find a way to more effectively communicate to the community at large what behaviors yield what punishments, the expectations of consequences will increase for at least most players.

And if nothing else, it'll minimize that whole "victim" mentality. Which will/should be further weakened by the return of the Tribunal and its Reform Cards.

nerak23Mar 20, 20151 votes

Better Communication.

Okay, okay, it won't work for everything, obviously. But if Riot can find a way to more effectively communicate to the community at large what behaviors yield what punishments, the expectations of consequences will increase for at least most players.

And if nothing else, it'll minimize that whole "victim" mentality. Which will/should be further weakened by the return of the Tribunal and its Reform Cards.

This is a good post :) What I'd like to stress is The communications with the average player. Because be honest most players don't post here,,, and Yes I know they have Reddit. I just today joined, however I feel like I should have access to information right here on the boards. I am not so much as complaining about Reds lack of posts here but wishing they would join in more even if it is to say ' Hey, we are aware of the problem but I don't have the information'.

Having said that I have seen Riot staff Trying to talk to us!! Especially on GD. And I have to say about GD some things....

It is a hard place to post in and have a complete conversation.

They have a lot of 'private jokes' or info going on. Most average person would not understand what is going on in that part of the board unless they spent a LOT of time reading each thread.

This brings me to a thing I believe Riot Staff should be aware of even more then they seem too... I believe they should have people involved in GD, persons who post there, read most posts... to Mod there. and that does Not seem to be the case. I have seen a lot about player/mods and I am just not sure this is the correct way to go it...But ;))) I have been known to be wrong in the past..

AnyWays this goes to Better Communications Jubbinaut I'd like to speak to you about some things if you'd be open to that ?

nerak23Mar 22, 20151 votes

Winterglow : as I can't use the quote button at this point, I will just simply ask you ...Why do you think Riot is' Perpetuating toxicity via banning people for sticking up for themselves" ??

I call BS and say what you can't do is be an ASS back and insult rage at anything you think is Toxic..What you Can DO and I and other Do all the time is fight toxic comments without being Toxic ourselfs...What most people believe is realistic is not what you seem to hear when you quote others...I put this up as a copy paste Of what you said previously:

Winterglow (NA) submitted 17 days ago in Miscellaneous I remember Lyte gave the example of what to do when someone is toxic:

: HEY DERP FACE U SUCK

: Alright class, when someone is being toxic like that to you, simply say: "THAT'S NOT COOL."

: BUT YOU SAID "NOT," AND "NOT" IS A NEGATIVE WORD.

: ...you're right. I'll have to think about that one. Any suggestions?

: Just say "COOL!"

: Perfect! Okay then, when someone is flaming you non-stop, just say, "COOL!"

: BUT WOULDN'T THAT SEEM SARCASTIC? THAT'S NEGATIVE TOO.

: ...you're right again. Perhaps we'll just have to ban everyone then, regardless of what they say.

: GIVE THIS MAN A RAISE!

Yep Banning Jerks if just fine...but again you misunderstood: Lyte is actively Anti perma ban -- go look it up !!

nerak23Mar 22, 20151 votes

I think Riot should have a team (or maybe they do) that review cases submitted from a number of reports.

To further increase the effectiveness of this method, they need to show the community who got banned for what. Like they need to make a weekly announcement of the players banned/chat restricted/etc.

Everybody knows that from when they're were a child, when a child witnesses a punishment/discipline, that child will learn not to do it. It's a common method of (you can say) intimidation. Police uses it. The media uses it. Television shows and cartoons uses it.

Countless times when a player knows he is going to be reported, they will respond with "w/e, nothing's gonna happen" and honestly, nobody knows that and majority of the players probably do think nothing IS going to happen.

So to show the community that Riot is on the move and punishing people, players will naturally stop misbehaving because of intimidation.

I do believe this statement to be true but only to an point. A few months ago I'd have agreed completely with you and even now I don't disagree. However, after researching what Riots thoughts are about it I have to think that they are on to something better.

1st it is against Riots policy to name and shame so they are not likely to do that. What they want to do is change players perception and that is so much better in the long run. I meant what I said about the company is doing new things that Will change gaming history. I don't state this lightly, as I have some experience in company relations.

Well, I started to write more and realized my opinion is NOT that important...What is important is that that all of us stand up to bullies and "Jerks" and Asshates or W/E you name them and publically shame them every chance we get. I mean by that, be nice but firm...say your opinion but don't judge...Live and Let live, but still don't let people put up on this format that it is OKAY or NORMAL or be Dicks !!!