I have started to play Godye (Udyr) and I have a few questions I would love answered, first is when an Udyr who can farm devourer (like 50 stacks in 15 minutes) gets devourer does that udyr need more then one other AD danage item? Second and final is, to sustain the jungle should you either go ap and start/max pheonix and leave 1 point in tiger until final levels, or tiger and do the exact opposite? Much thanks, you are helping a bronzy get better, thank you again
Potato Doc3 votesOkay first problem. You are trying to go for 50 stacks in 15 minutes. Udyr has so much more of an impact then people want to believe early game. You got insane ganking power use it
2nd You are going devourer. That item was nerfed into the ground. Dont consider it. Warriors is much better. I used to go devourer, but ever since going warriors not only am I more consistant with my wins, im more confident in my ganks, Trust me the extra AD is above and beyond the effect devourer gives you especially since at lv 18 you have 1.9 AS with your passive anyways
3rd After you go warriors start going tanky. Either Frozen heart or Spirit visage depending on the enemy teams focused damage. You will want those CDR items to keep your stances going. If its a tie between the two go frozen first, you need the extra mana pool. If you dont need the magic resist early then opt for a BVeil later on, helps keep you tankier
4th about the jungle. With a decent knowledge of how to use udyrs passive to its max you can clear your first 3 camps without using a single pot. I do it all the time. Anyone who thinks continuing after the 3rd camp without upgrading is silly, you lose a ton of gold that way. HOWEVER a gank on mid is usually a good idea at this point ( pop that pot first) usually gives the mid lane a good advantage even if you dont get the kill
5th Max tiger first and then depending on what you need more go turtle or bear. While Tiger is a must, dont fall into a routine of maxing either bear or turtle after tiger as its heavily dependent on how the enemy team is doing. lv 1 get tiger, lv 2 get turtle, lv 3 get bear, then read the game
6th dont worry too much about the full build as most of my games with udyr end around or before I finish my 4th item (including boots) However a typical build for me goes. Warriors chilling smite, boots of swiftness, frozen heart, Trinity force, Bveil (magic resist is gotten before hand). For a low budget build it does work
7th if you know you are getting into an engagement soon make sure to stack your passive early
8th dont spam your stances to keep your passive up. If you need your passive up alot try and spread the abilities out so you dont ravage your mana (major point I see where udyrs fail a ton)
TheVeryVeryBest1 votesWhat I was saying with the devourer was basicaly, if you have a way to deal damage without needing to build damage (of course its magic damage) should you go full tank after the fact, I never go devourer unless im against something like rammus (a good rammus, one who knows how to use thornmail to his advantage etc.) but sense its nerf I only see warrior as being usefull on AD junglers, Another thing I still have questions about is the AD items, I usualy get randuins or spirit visage (mostly spirit) depending on AD or AP opponents, for my 3rd item do I need more tankiness, should I go frozen heart (any tank stuff) or should I focus on damage? And lastly, can AP udyr taking pheonix work, I have never tried it in ranked and mot much in normals but is it possible, you have been a lot of help so far, and I thank you for that.
Potato Doc1 votesWhat I was saying with the devourer was basicaly, if you have a way to deal damage without needing to build damage (of course its magic damage) should you go full tank after the fact, I never go devourer unless im against something like rammus (a good rammus, one who knows how to use thornmail to his advantage etc.) but sense its nerf I only see warrior as being usefull on AD junglers, Another thing I still have questions about is the AD items, I usualy get randuins or spirit visage (mostly spirit) depending on AD or AP opponents, for my 3rd item do I need more tankiness, should I go frozen heart (any tank stuff) or should I focus on damage? And lastly, can AP udyr taking pheonix work, I have never tried it in ranked and mot much in normals but is it possible, you have been a lot of help so far, and I thank you for that.
Again it all depends on how the enemy team is doing. If they really are ahead your team will need a tank and udyr does work as a tank/bruiser. However if you are ahead its usually better to go with a damage item. Id really suggest going Frozen first. Mostly because when you gank bot lane you need the armor for that BF sword the carry might have and it usually transitions to more defense against the enemy jungler and top lane (meanwhile spirit is more limited to usually one or two lanes) However if top lane is AP then its really up to you on where you want to gank. Ive just found Frozen to more often to have a bigger impact then spirit visage on most occasions.
As for Ap udyr the AoE could be destructive but that is assuming they are all standing nearby. I have never tried it, it but ill give it a try in some normal games and see how it goes.
I dont do it often but sometimes I run Tiger Pheonix maxed first. However this is definitely damage based and while you can destroy people since you just swtich from damage ability to damage ability its very inconsistent in the play style and dominating and it relies a bit more on early game kills. This is definitely a build path where you would want to focus more early game damage instead of tankiness. (You could go tanky itll just have less of an impact)
Also Pheonix just doesnt feel as powerful in ganking and in the jungle as tiger stance does.
TheVeryVeryBest1 votesOk! I get what youre saying now, thanks for the help, I just wanted to know if there was some wierd way to play udyr I didnt know about, you cleared up my questions. Thank you very much =3
Maximum Zilean2 votesNot really a "Helpful" bit of advice I can give since I don't use Udyr, but if you have the ultimate skin and aren't somewhat confident with Udyr, its better not to use it to avoid raging team mates who will say "OMG REFUND SKIN NOOBTARD"
But yes, everything said above is right.
Shogunai1 votesI'm not much of an Udyr player but I recommend you check on youtube channel "Trick2g". He is pretty well known for his Godyr. You can probably learn all you need from him.
Best of luck to you.
TheVeryVeryBest1 votesTrick2g is where most of my udyr skill comes from XD but thanks for the recommendation