It is impossible to climb up once your MMR drops

Lyless·Oct 9, 2015·3 votes·2,554 views

If it gets too low it wouldn't matter if you win 10 games in a row, you would still go nowhere. This system blows.

53 Comments

ActinOct 9, 20153 votes

You'd have to have a lot of consecutive winning streaks and only a handful of losses in between each streak

Bill GatezOct 9, 20153 votes

It sounds like you're only focused on winning games, when what you should be focusing on is looking for ways to improve your own gameplay. If you already feel like you are already good enough, you won't look for ways to improve, as you feel like you already are where you need to be skill and knowledge wise, it's just something holding you back.

With that being said, it's hard to improve in that setting. Go play some normals with specific mechanics in mind to practice, or make a new account spamming only your main champion to level up.

You'd be surprised how easy it is to climb out of Bronze when you actually improve yourself to play at above Bronze level.

LylessOct 9, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=NMC Bronx,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=gEOyEMzL,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2015-10-09T19:50:15.710+0000)

It sounds like you're only focused on winning games, when what you should be focusing on is looking for ways to improve your own gameplay. If you already feel like you are already good enough, you won't look for ways to improve, as you feel like you already are where you need to be skill and knowledge wise, it's just something holding you back.

With that being said, it's hard to improve in that setting. Go play some normals with specific mechanics in mind to practice, or make a new account spamming only your main champion to level up.

You'd be surprised how easy it is to climb out of Bronze when you actually improve yourself to play at above Bronze level.

You don't understand, I wasn't taught jack squat about how to play this game from the start so everything I know I pieced together. Winning games helps me want to improve. I learn things in a different way.

ModAttysu The PoroOct 11, 20151 votes

Neither was I. I started playing LoL straight after playing World of Warcraft for most of my gaming life, so I didn't understand a single thing about how MOBA's worked. I had to sit down with a gold friend of mine who had to explain what a lane was. If you have the mentality that you're already good, you'll never get anywhere.

Teammates do affect your win/loss ratio, I can't deny that, but if you're focusing to improve rather than to win (but you SHOULD be trying to win, don't get me wrong,) then you'll get better. Mechanics will get sharper and champs will be easier.

LylessOct 11, 20151 votes

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Neither was I. I started playing LoL straight after playing World of Warcraft for most of my gaming life, so I didn't understand a single thing about how MOBA's worked. I had to sit down with a gold friend of mine who had to explain what a lane was. If you have the mentality that you're already good, you'll never get anywhere.

Teammates do affect your win/loss ratio, I can't deny that, but if you're focusing to improve rather than to win (but you SHOULD be trying to win, don't get me wrong,) then you'll get better. Mechanics will get sharper and champs will be easier.

I am not going to say I am the worse player ever. Because I know, I am not. But I am far from my goal too. Winning boosts confidence and helps you improve. Hard to improve from a loss, it's just not the way I am wired.

ModAttysu The PoroOct 11, 20151 votes

You have to change that attitude then. And maybe you're not bad, I don't know I haven't seen you in game. But having that low of an MMR takes skill on its own.

If you have to win in order to improve, I'm not trying to be a douche, but maybe LoL isn't for you.

LylessOct 11, 20151 votes

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You have to change that attitude then. And maybe you're not bad, I don't know I haven't seen you in game. But having that low of an MMR takes skill on its own.

If you have to win in order to improve, I'm not trying to be a douche, but maybe LoL isn't for you.

What kind of attitude am I a suppose to have when I am stuck where I am? I am freaking human. I am not going to happy about it.

ModAttysu The PoroOct 11, 20151 votes

Have a positive attitude. Being upset isn't going to help you, nor is crying on the boards. Try to keep your morale up and don't tilt, while taking whatever mistakes you make and improve on it. If you have the mentality "Since I lost I'm not gonna get better, wah." then you're not. You're holding yourself back by complaining and saying it's impossible when it isn't.

LylessOct 11, 20151 votes

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You have to change that attitude then. And maybe you're not bad, I don't know I haven't seen you in game. But having that low of an MMR takes skill on its own.

If you have to win in order to improve, I'm not trying to be a douche, but maybe LoL isn't for you.

and winning a bunch of games is the only I am going to get that rating up.

ModAttysu The PoroOct 11, 20151 votes

Okay, but if you're not learning (aka not learning from your losses and improving on it,) you're gonna stay where you are or get worse.

LylessOct 11, 20151 votes

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Okay, but if you're not learning (aka not learning from your losses and improving on it,) you're gonna stay where you are or get worse.

I am trying to learn from it, but it's not working. I have asked for help since the beginning when I started about a year ago and I never got it. Always, you aren't good enough. No one has tried to actually help me since this game started. Everything I learned I did on my own. I still don't know most of the terms and meanings of words in this game.

ModAttysu The PoroOct 11, 20151 votes

Well, what terminology messes you up? I know a decent bunch about LoL terms and mechanics, though applying it is more difficult to me than others, seeing as I come from a completely different genre of video-games.

LylessOct 11, 20151 votes

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Well, what terminology messes you up? I know a decent bunch about LoL terms and mechanics, though applying it is more difficult to me than others, seeing as I come from a completely different genre of video-games.

I guess that's not really a big issue.

ModAttysu The PoroOct 11, 20151 votes

Knowing the mechanics and the different terminology is very important for games like LoL. I suggest https://www.youtube.com/user/GamingCurios if you need any tips on LoL! He does a lot of top 5/10's and guides.

ShyvauniOct 9, 20152 votes

I thought MMR dropped only on losses?

Bill GatezOct 9, 20152 votes

I just looked you up. You have an elo rating of 64. I'm not trying to diss you, but that's really bad. It's gonna be impossible to climb out of Bronze 5 if your hidden MMR is that low.

Like I said, you need to improve at the game first, and your MMR and rating will climb naturally.

LylessOct 9, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=NMC Bronx,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=gEOyEMzL,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2015-10-09T20:18:03.263+0000)

I just looked you up. You have an elo rating of 64. I'm not trying to diss you, but that's really bad. It's gonna be impossible to climb out of Bronze 5 if your hidden MMR is that low.

Like I said, you need to improve at the game first, and your MMR and rating will climb naturally.

Well it is what it is. And how did you look that up btw?

ModAttysu The PoroOct 11, 20151 votes

OP.gg shows the statistics of any Summoner. Just gotta know their region and summoner name. If your MMR is 59 (just checked myself,) then you need to go back and practice a bit. I'm a pretty sucky player, and my MMR is 532. Play a bunch of bot games until you master your basic mechanics like movings while csing, bursting, etc, then go into a few pvp matches WITH FRIENDS to learn how to play against smarter and unpredictable opponents. Then after you get around 5-8 champions to level 5 mastery, then go into ranked.

It's also good to master a good 2-3 champions per lane, so you can do anything and still be confident in your abilities. Not saying level 5 mastery, but have a good sense on how to work each lane at a decent and competent level.

LylessOct 11, 20151 votes

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OP.gg shows the statistics of any Summoner. Just gotta know their region and summoner name. If your MMR is 59 (just checked myself,) then you need to go back and practice a bit. I'm a pretty sucky player, and my MMR is 532. Play a bunch of bot games until you master your basic mechanics like movings while csing, bursting, etc, then go into a few pvp matches WITH FRIENDS to learn how to play against smarter and unpredictable opponents. Then after you get around 5-8 champions to level 5 mastery, then go into ranked.

It's also good to master a good 2-3 champions per lane, so you can do anything and still be confident in your abilities. Not saying level 5 mastery, but have a good sense on how to work each lane at a decent and competent level.

Dude, their are levels. I have been playing this far too long to play bots. That's a no go. Also, I don't like most champs in this game. The way I have gotten better at everything I do, is by playing live competition. I don't tend to get better by pep talks, I get better by playing up not down.

I have only found 4 champs I can play and or am interested in thus far. Trundle, Nocturne, Soraka and Warwick. The rest is just ughhhhh

ModAttysu The PoroOct 11, 20151 votes

Out of over 120 champs, you only find 4 fun? Are you SURE you've tried all of them?

LylessOct 11, 20151 votes

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Out of over 120 champs, you only find 4 fun? Are you SURE you've tried all of them?

I haven't play all 120 of them. But I only find 4 of them playable for me. For example me an Annie simply don't mix. I don't like mages of ADCs.

ModAttysu The PoroOct 11, 20151 votes

If you don't like mages, try assassins, bruisers, tanks, juggernauts, there's a lot of different types of champions in the game. May I suggest:

? :3

PS: Possibly Kindred when they come out as well

LylessOct 11, 20151 votes

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If you don't like mages, try assassins, bruisers, tanks, juggernauts, there's a lot of different types of champions in the game. May I suggest:

? :3

PS: Possibly when they come out as well

3,4,6,7 and 10 are no-go. We don't mix. Only Assassins I like are Noc and Evenlyn.

ModAttysu The PoroOct 11, 20151 votes

Ah, try to play all the champs on rotation so you have experiences with all of them! ^.^ you'll find champs you like. I personally only really mix with high burst magey and assassins. Tanks only work for me when I support, I can't top as them though.

LylessOct 11, 20151 votes

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Ah, try to play all the champs on rotation so you have experiences with all of them! ^.^ you'll find champs you like. I personally only really mix with high burst magey and assassins. Tanks only work for me when I support, I can't top as them though.

The rest of them I don't have and I don't have the points for them. I wasted so many points on champs it's not even funny.

I own 4 assassins. Nocturne MasterYi Shaco Akali

8 mages Anivia Annie Fiddlesticks Karthus Morgana Orianna Ryze TwistedFate

I can't stand any of them.

ModAttysu The PoroOct 11, 20151 votes

Every week they have a rotation of champions you can play for free. Try them before you buy them, and if one peeks your interest, then invest in them.

Bill GatezOct 11, 20152 votes

Yea sorry man, I can't help you. I talked to you for like 5 minutes in game and lost my patience.

I mean, you're basically negative elo, the lowest of the low in terms of skill and knowledge. I'm trying to give you advice, based on my own experiences. I have hard data to back up what i say.

You react to me like, no you're wrong, basically arguing with me, and that's just blasphemous. If you know better, show me you can climb out of Bronze on your own. If you can't, then maybe your inability to learn is what's holding you back.

It's impossible to teach someone who thinks he knows better than the person teaching them. Good luck getting out of Bronze. It's going to be tough, considering you're basically the textbook definition of a Noob.

I'm a League player, not a Special Ed. teacher.

LylessOct 11, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=NMC Bronx,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=gEOyEMzL,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2015-10-11T01:49:45.114+0000)

Yea sorry man, I can't help you. I talked to you for like 5 minutes in game and lost my patience.

I mean, you're basically negative elo, the lowest of the low in terms of skill and knowledge. I'm trying to give you advice, based on my own experiences. I have hard data to back up what i say.

You react to me like, no you're wrong, basically arguing with me, and that's just blasphemous. If you know better, show me you can climb out of Bronze on your own. If you can't, then maybe your inability to learn is what's holding you back.

It's impossible to teach someone who thinks he knows better than the person teaching them. Good luck getting out of Bronze. It's going to be tough, considering you're basically the textbook definition of a Noob.

I'm a League player, not a Special Ed. teacher.

Dude, I am allowed to have opinion. I have also tried a lot of things. I also know one way doesn't work for everyone.

I never said you were wrong, but I am also not some sheep either. I am not going to bow at anyone's feet like you wanted me to do.

Never said I know it all either, but going 1 vs 5 cannot work. That's just common knowledge at that's the only thing we disagreed on. Please don't lie like you are doing now.

ModAttysu The PoroOct 11, 20151 votes

If someone of a heavily higher elo tells you advice on a mechanic, then I think you should listen to that and apply it. If he said go in 1v5, you're not giving context on the situation for me to say if that was bad or good advice, like;

*Were your allies close by?

*Did you have high CC?

*Were you fed?

*Were wards around?

*Was your goal stealing an objective or just dashing in?

*What champion were you?

*How far into the game were you?

*In lane or in the jungle fight?

All of these things equate to different scenarios and reasonings.

LylessOct 11, 20151 votes

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If someone of a heavily higher elo tells you advice on a mechanic, then I think you should listen to that and apply it. If he said go in 1v5, you're not giving context on the situation for me to say if that was bad or good advice, like;

*Were your allies close by?

*Did you have high CC?

*Were you fed?

*Were wards around?

*Was your goal stealing an objective or just dashing in?

*What champion were you?

*How far into the game were you?

*In lane or in the jungle fight?

All of these things equate to different scenarios and reasonings.

The guy literally said just go in 1 vs 5 and do it. No context or anything. I mean really?!?!? I should listen to the advice of ignoring my teammates, not ganking and just focus on me?

I guess he was going by me being Warwick. Nothing else was mentioned.

ModAttysu The PoroOct 11, 20151 votes

Then ask for context. Don't expect him to be able to read your mind about what he means. He's just trying to help you.

LylessOct 11, 20151 votes

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Then ask for context. Don't expect him to be able to read your mind about what he means. He's just trying to help you.

He got mad and left before I could. I mean you sure are taking his side based not even hearing the convo. I don't think he was, all he talked about was how great he was and how he 1 vs 5 people. That's not helping.

ModAttysu The PoroOct 11, 20151 votes

This is Bronze, honestly if he said 1v5 someone you had a decently high chance of actually taking most of them down, then having your team clean up. Anything is easy to pull off in Bronze cause no one knows too much about mechanics and countering abilities.

LylessOct 11, 20151 votes

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This is Bronze, honestly if he said 1v5 someone you had a decently high chance of actually taking most of them down, then having your team clean up. Anything is easy to pull off in Bronze cause no one knows too much about mechanics and countering abilities.

If only that was correct. It isn't I have tried that before. Why else would I disagree with it? I don't ever have much a team. I can't even get all of them to come mid as a group.

ModAttysu The PoroOct 11, 20151 votes

I've actually 1v5'd as an Ahri before, you'd be surprised how stupid Bronze people can be when you surprise them. ^.^

LylessOct 11, 20151 votes

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I've actually 1v5'd as an Ahri before, you'd be surprised how stupid Bronze people can be when you surprise them. ^.^

well it doesn't work that way for me.

ModAttysu The PoroOct 11, 20151 votes

Ah, he's one of those players? That sucks. The thing with low elo, is that everyone thinks they are a god and should be plat or something. While I agree bronze is quite the hellhole, I don't put myself above everyone else, I just try my hardest to improve. More people need that mindset imo, and Bronze will stop being such a hellish place to be stuck in. >_>

pooptaOct 11, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=NMC Bronx,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=gEOyEMzL,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2015-10-11T01:49:45.114+0000)

I'm a League player, not a Special Ed. teacher.

Omg LOL

LylessOct 9, 20151 votes

I would have to rattle off so many wins just to get mmr to normal. And that's just no possible to win so many games in a row at such a low elo.

Quil EvrythingOct 9, 20151 votes

Sounds like you do not have a good stable of champsions you are good at.

I would recommend you stay off ranked, until you have at least 3 champs at mastery level 5. The best, most flexible way to do this is:

1 or 2 champs you are GOOD at, that you can use top or jungle 1 or 2 champs you are GOOD at, that you can use mid or support 1 or 2 ADC champs you are GOOD at.

I would suggest playing a single champion, back-to-back, in teambuilder, until you know them in your sleep. Get them to mastery 5.. THEN move on to another one. Dont mix them. thats not how human brains learn well.

Notice that it will take a very long time to get all this. probably more than 100 games. At least 20 games per champion. If you're not willing to put in that time.. you're not willing to do what it takes to play ranked and win.

LylessOct 10, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Quil Evrything,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=gEOyEMzL,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2015-10-09T22:10:17.497+0000)

Sounds like you do not have a good stable of champsions you are good at.

I would recommend you stay off ranked, until you have at least 3 champs at mastery level 5. The best, most flexible way to do this is:

1 or 2 champs you are GOOD at, that you can use top or jungle 1 or 2 champs you are GOOD at, that you can use mid or support 1 or 2 ADC champs you are GOOD at.

I would suggest playing a single champion, back-to-back, in teambuilder, until you know them in your sleep. Get them to mastery 5.. THEN move on to another one. Dont mix them. thats not how human brains learn well.

Notice that it will take a very long time to get all this. probably more than 100 games. At least 20 games per champion. If you're not willing to put in that time.. you're not willing to do what it takes to play ranked and win.

My stable is as follows. WW, Soraka, Nocturne, and Trundle. 3 of the 4 are at level 5. I know 3 of them, in my sleep.

Horse GrenadesOct 9, 20151 votes

Nocturne is a tough solo q champ in bronze, try using someone more often like WW, Garen, Annie, or some high CC champs.

YOU CAN DO THIS MAN!

LylessOct 9, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=ApocaIypse Meow,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=gEOyEMzL,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-10-09T15:04:47.318+0000)

Nocturne is a tough solo q champ in bronze, try using someone more often like WW, Garen, Annie, or some high CC champs.

YOU CAN DO THIS MAN!

Problem is only person I can use is WW. Annie is just horrible. Garen just isn't for me.

Horse GrenadesOct 9, 20151 votes

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Problem is only person I can use is WW. Annie is just horrible. Garen just isn't for me.

You should know, Annie is very, very broken. Huge point and click nuke with a huge AoE stun nuke. Volibear, got me out of bronze.

Quil EvrythingOct 9, 20151 votes

To be a bit more explicit for Lyless:

with annie, the formula is easy.

Step 1: farm as best you can. Be ready to have your free stun up to use at a moment's notice in case you get ganked. So basicaly you can (carefully) free farm.

Step 2: get level 6. execute Ult+stun combo. Wait for cooldowns. Repeat = win.

basically, with annie, focus on always having an escape, and you'll be unbeatable

contrariwise, do stupid things like overextend in lane, or go wandering through unwarded jungle, and you'll feed the enemy team.

pretty simple, really.

LylessOct 10, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=ApocaIypse Meow,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=gEOyEMzL,comment-id=000200000000,timestamp=2015-10-09T22:56:54.890+0000)

You should know, Annie is very, very broken. Huge point and click nuke with a huge AoE stun nuke. Volibear, got me out of bronze.

Also, I have tried using Annie. It's just impossible for me. We just don't mix. I am not a fan of mage Champs anyway.

Go to HeckOct 9, 20151 votes

One thing that ive noticed is that people whos rank drops down to bronze because of their MMR need to stop playing ranked. Not forever but for a couple days maybe weeks. Play some norms, build your MMR, learn some new tactics then return to ranked adn if it fails just repeat the process.

C9 Scott Free Oct 11, 20151 votes

It is not impossible just really hard. I got to silver last season from B5 then did provs and broke even and eneded up bronze this season. The problem is how swingy MMR is early so you can get trapped but then you just gotta bust balls harder.

LylessOct 11, 20151 votes

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It is not impossible just really hard. I got to silver last season from B5 then did provs and broke even and eneded up bronze this season. The problem is how swingy MMR is early so you can get trapped but then you just gotta bust balls harder.

Like I said, I would have to win about 10 games in a row, just to get the mmr back up to 100.

C9 Scott Free Oct 11, 20151 votes

The problem is that everybody has really swingy mmr so you get stuck with people who should be B5 in s3 etc.