I was just told Draven requires absolutely no skill
By a nidalee and kha'zix irony?
By a nidalee and kha'zix irony?
Kha'Zix is pretty hard too, so nothing really ironic there, a chimp could play Nidalee though.
Pff,all you have to do with Kha is jumping in Q aa Q and jumping out,easy as hell
He takes quite a decent amount of skill >.<
So one of the highest skillcap ADC champs that requires massive micromanaging in order to maintain high sustainted dps takes no skill? Heh.
Pff.....he still takes less skill than Veigar or Akali
lol.
second hardest adc (vayne is #1) but he does a lot of damage if hes good so everyone thinks hes easy thats how it works if you do a lot of damage youre automatically really easy (see
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Lol, Free True dmg on autos, High dmg despite building attack speed first, rarely needs to reposition because of her troll E.
Yea right, vayne is so hard to adc with
Lol, bonus damage with axes, right click to the shiny spot on the ground, tons of free gold, speed boost with reset, ability that interrupts dashes, global ult. Draven so easy.
Get it?
Well draven goes from 48.9% at 15 or less games played to 45.18% with 125+ games played. Vayne goes from 47.44% with less than 5 games played to 54.51% with 125+
Suggests that vayne is the better champ but draven has a wider/higher skill ceiling. Both have a pretty huge gap between new players and mains playing them.
while vayne definitely isn't easy to master, draven is way harder imo. he's just way easier to deal with
Draven?Hard?Pff....maybe in bronze,where people believe that Azir takes no skill and lee is a godlike champ
I call bullshit on that. He's probably one of the hardest Adcs to play well.
Let's divide ADC's by the skill they take to use properly:
Very hard to use:

Medium skill requirement:

Zero skill required:

The community sides with you.
pretty much, but i would say switch Ezreal and MF tiers
Why is there Vayne Quinn Lucian twitch and Draven next to the ´´very hard to use´´´? Let me show you what these champions need to be played well Draven- press Q,right click,catch your axe,W.........now do these again Vayne- You get W´s stacks once and the enemy adc gets 3-shotted Quinn- Press R,and enjoy the free movement speed Lucian- E aa Q aa W aa R aa (simple as hell) Twitch- Press Q,sneak up to someone and kill it,he is one of the easiest adcs
whenever i see people argue in a match about whose champion is harder, it makes me laugh. at the end of the game, all that matters is who contributed more to their team. you could be the most skilled player with your champion but it doesn't matter if you don't group, don't take objectives, make bad calls, etc.
I dunno about grouping (why do we call that again? Simplicity?), some champions just aren't great at teamfights and sometimes it's better to split-push to provide pressure.
And forcing teamfights when you're too behind (sometimes being behind is fine, that one teamfight can change the tides, especially late-game) can lead to an even bigger gap between both teams.
I'm not saying any of these are a one-size-fits-all strategy, however, being good at a champion doesn't mean anything if you can't make the right decision for the situation you're given.
edit: also, the opposite of grouping isn't split pushing. Sometimes people roam the enemy jungle with no wards, farm jungle camps (such as wolves) when full build, etc. If someone is split pushing, you still want your whole team applying pressure somewhere else, otherwise your split pusher is going to get ganked and the enemy can force whatever objective they want. Thus you still want the other 4 players to be grouped.
You really can't rely solely on mechanical skill, decision making plays a huge role in the outcome of a game.
That is very true. Mechanics aren't much if your game knowledge is below par.
Kha'zix is fine.
Nidalee? She said Draven requires skill? The most binary champion in the game (throw spear, pounce, faceroll, hop away) says an adc who relies on epic positioning (and it ain't easy either) to keep up his dps while other champions can press a button?
I hope you kicked her ass and won that game.
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Dude. Why did you necro a long-dead thread?
That good sir, is a fucking insult to me. I play Draven, and I know as much as anyone else who plays him that you are always public enemy number one in a team fight, and you actually have to keep moving and position yourself in a team fight. You actually have to POSITION yourself constantly, something which most ADC's don't have to do and take for granted.
depends at what elo, if you can juggle at all you can probably get to at least gold by destroying the other adc in lane
Ha. Haha. Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. Unless of course you decide to duel him 1v1 as anyone but a tank. Then all he has to do is press q and right click and they die. But that's not the whole game lol
but then you're someone with both hard cc and damage and you just shrek him.
Kha requires skill aswell..
I was told that a while ago, and I cried for them. I cant think of anyone harder to play well than him.
on a side note, why include kha in there? I mean, kha is most certainly not a skill-less champ
Draven and Kha take no skill at all,even a monkey could play them
he take near the same amount of skill as kha but nid is braindead easy
Actually all of those are decently hard to play. I have no IDEA how to play kha, and landing spears is a bit tough on nid (that's it tho, and at like a 3 second cd lol) and Draven, who I just got for my mystery champ, is actually pretty difficult to play. Laning phase in general for adcs is hard, dancing and dodging around skillshots, trading smartly, keeping a perfect cs, watching the minimap, and getting kills is hard enough. But when it also comes to catching axes and managing his passive, he's one of the harder adcs to master. However if you were super fed and 2hit them I can really see why they said that. Draven's Q damage is just ridiculous lol, I love it. He's a good example of an ADC that is rewarded for being (fairly) immobile.
probobly requires more skill than kha and less than nid? Idk not like we have invoker to learn or something lol
I think the funniest part is when people say shit about X champion requires no skill, in ranked.... Well then if they require no skill and are easy to win w/ why the hell are you not playing them for the obvious freelo they must be. Not my fault I'm smart enough to realize that at silver I don't have the mechanics to play vayne/yas/zed/whatever super skilled champ you just have to main to get challenjour. Some of us like end of season rewards and actually enjoy simple champs that make you out think your opponents and control the game better in order to win (simple champs usually require more objective control bc they have less power w/ few or no skill shots and minimal mobility).
Some people want to get better at league by their skill,and by the opness of their champ,you retarded motherfucker
You catch axes
I catch people 