" You suck, how did you lose to a _ as __"

King Odin·Mar 16, 2015·23 votes·2,854 views

Champion match ups are based considerably more on that players skill with the champion rather than who counters who. Also factors such as Jungle presence and summoner spells play a good part as well.

If you're going to ignore that I was camped top and dove under tower and still complain about how I lost the easiest match up in the world then I don't think talking to you will be beneficial.. So either help me, help me ward, gank me, or help other lanes but don't bitch about me losing when you know the enemy jungle is camping my lane.

38 Comments

BakedLotionMar 16, 20153 votes

I mean, when a Leblanc loses to a Anivia I think it's pretty sad.

King OdinMar 16, 20152 votes

Indeed, but what if a Vi camped your lane and just kept ulting you and ganking over and over and over leaving you 0/4. That's not your fault unless you were always pushed or didn't ward well. Stuff happens

BakedLotionMar 16, 20151 votes

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Indeed, but what if a Vi camped your lane and just kept ulting you and ganking over and over and over leaving you 0/4. That's not your fault unless you were always pushed or didn't ward well. Stuff happens

You should never die to a vi gank lol. Just W away everytime she Q's or ults. I've NEVER gone 0/(watever#) as lb just because shes extremely safe. lol

If you were an immobile champion and you got camped, sure watever. But leblanc? Should never happen

King OdinMar 16, 20153 votes

There are such a thing as Cooldowns and good timing on the junglers part, I tend to gank after the person uses their escape. Like Zed's shadow for example.

ChumpySlasherMar 17, 20151 votes

you know that she's camping no point in wandering further than safe distance

Raise DongrsMar 16, 20152 votes

Pisses me off so much when a team blames their losing lane because "they should be winning"

Poptart EvelynnMar 16, 20153 votes

[{quoted}](name=Raise Dongrs,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=arcbrdOM,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2015-03-16T19:32:55.689+0000)

Pisses me off so much when a team blames their losing lane because "they should be winning"

If an Ori loses horribly to a Kat with no presence of junglers. I don't blame them for raging. Like honestly. Now that kat can roam freely in the game simply because her opponent didn't take advantage of her weakness.

S H A Y C 0Mar 16, 20152 votes

So...if it comes down to a skill match up...and you lost the skill matchup... ill let your imagination find the link to the title of the post (^_^) Happy Laning! Sake for everyone! (over 21 in US) WOOT!

King OdinMar 16, 20153 votes

If I lose a skill match up I played worse at the time ^_^, but rambling about it to me won't help me win.

S H A Y C 0Mar 16, 20151 votes

rambling about you playing worse at the time, and complaining about people being upset at you for playing poorly isnt going to help you win either...cheers

King OdinMar 16, 20153 votes

complaining about people being upset at you for playing poorly

Losing lane doesn't mean you played poorly, feeding lane means you played poorly. That my laner is 3/0 from roaming and I am 0/1 doesn't mean I played poorly it just means I was beaten in lane. Sometimes you just can't win lane so you have to deal with passively losing lane until a gank.

Also I tend to not respond to people who blame me for some mistake of theirs so that they feel better.

S H A Y C 0Mar 16, 20152 votes

But...you said it was? "If I lose a skill match up I played worse at the time" So if you played worse..then you played poorly...?????

and if you know what to do when you cant win lane...and you dont acknowledge others when they flame you for losing lane...what is this thread for again???

King OdinMar 16, 20153 votes

I play worse than Pro players, doesn't mean I played poorly for my level. They just played better. Anyone can lose lane it all depends on how good or bad your opponent is and how many mistakes they will make.

It's not that I don't acknowledge them but I'm not going to fight over them about who's fault it was. If it was mine I say "My b" if it is yours I just don't say anything

S H A Y C 0Mar 16, 20151 votes

no one is talking about pro players. at least i didnt think we were. but if you "Also I tend to not respond to people who blame me for some mistake of theirs so that they feel better." and understand that you cant always win your lane...the question still remains, what exactly is it that this thread is here for?

Let me guess....You talk to the engineers so the customers dont have to.

King OdinMar 16, 20152 votes

I was using pro players as an example.

If I am Gold 5 and I was beaten by a Silver 5 then that person played better than me regardless of his/her rank. Doesn't mean I played badly is all I am saying.

This post is so people understand not to blame others and to avoid doing what I stated above. So in general don't ramble about someone losing as there are millions of reasons the person might have lost the easiest match up in the history of DOTA.

S H A Y C 0Mar 16, 20151 votes

think i get it now. yeah dont do that lol

AerothalMar 16, 20152 votes

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But...you said it was? "If I lose a skill match up I played worse at the time" So if you played worse..then you played poorly...?????

and if you know what to do when you cant win lane...and you dont acknowledge others when they flame you for losing lane...what is this thread for again???

i suppose he is talking about a lane where his champ clearly counters the opponent but he loses lane anyways because he got camped hard.

That's always tough and in any case starting to blame your teammate for losing lane is not beneficial in any way.

Even if they lost a skill match-up or a lane they should have won, still no reason to start hating on them.

Captain AishiMar 16, 20152 votes

if a jayce goes melee mode on me and lets me get 5 passive stacks at level 1 when i'm playing darius, i hope his team blames him for losing lane :P

King OdinMar 16, 20153 votes

^_^ I still hope they don't blame him, but instead try and help him either play the champion or play safer. Blaming is never nice =(

Captain AishiMar 16, 20152 votes

when i play a matchup i'm really comfortable in and it's apparent my opponent doesn't understand the matchup, i usually ask if they want tips for it after the game

KapppaccinoMar 17, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Captain Aishi,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=arcbrdOM,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2015-03-16T21:21:20.315+0000)

when i play a matchup i'm really comfortable in and it's apparent my opponent doesn't understand the matchup, i usually ask if they want tips for it after the game

Every time I give someone tips they tell me " don't tell me how to play" .-. Like real? I'm trying to help you because I have experience with that champ, but obviously I'm just telling you because I wanna be bossy

Big Bang BobMar 17, 20152 votes

If I don't blame anyone, then I can't recognize the problem. It's how You blame them.

Zed You seem to be having a little trouble there.

Graves Urgot OP :P

Zed Have you tried saving your dodge for his corrosive charge?

Graves Alright

King OdinMar 17, 20157 votes

That's not blaming, that's constructive commenting

Big Bang BobMar 17, 20151 votes

Still blaming. It's just part of the process.

If you can solve a problem without knowing what is causing it, be my guest, but as soon as you find the source of the problem, you are blaming, as you are assigning a cause for something undesirable.

Of course, taking connotations into account (at this point, I have no idea what I'm saying :P), you are right because blaming carries a negative connotation, and you want your intentions to be as clear as possible.

ZarddramonMar 17, 20152 votes

If only more players had your attitude.

A Superb VillainMar 16, 20152 votes

I have pity for whoever loses to me when I play Veigar . The flaming must be absurd.

"omg how did you not dodge his e?" "how does a zed lose to veigar?!" "Viegar was nerfd. why does he have more farm than you"

terkmcMar 17, 20152 votes

If fucking Fiddlestick loose to a Katarina with no jg and she didnt roam, im unleashing hell on him

AerothalMar 16, 20151 votes

this game: http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1760528417/40417246?tab=overview I was constantly flamed for feeding Wu. Kinda funny when i really didn't. Wu is an extreme hardcounter to teemo and i was doing quite well in lane until that nice moment where Udyr chased Nunu into my lane and gave Wu FB.

ps: it was a teambuildergame. unfortunate matchup!

A Miss FortuneMar 16, 20151 votes

I saw an AP Sona lose to an Azir despite being ganked numerous times.

When you're one of the strongest early game mid laners, with sustain, against one of the weakest if not THE weakest early game mid laner and you end up feeding him then you're obviously bad. Not going to go into detail about how the Sona didn't even build a Lich Bane or anything useful.

Tis a nice dayMar 16, 20151 votes

Back in S3 when Ryze was still considered faceroll status, I went 1v1 mid as Ryze vs Heimerdinger . My short range meant that clearing Heimer's turrets was a challenge. Still got flamed by team for losing to such a "weak" champion even when using an "OP" champion.

Crede777Mar 16, 20151 votes

I don't point out that you should have won for YOUR edification, I do it because it makes ME feel better.

junglerboy16Mar 17, 20151 votes

It only becomes relevant when both players have reach near mastery of their champ. before that? Yeah they will win some match ups they shouldn't.

Spacesuit SpiffMar 17, 20151 votes

It's still pretty painful to see someone try to play a counterpick they aren't good at, and feed. Just had someone pick Annie into Ahri and gloat about how easy of a lane it was. She died at level 2 (no idea how it happened, when I looked mid Ahri was level 3 and had most of her health). The jungle swung by and killed Ahri but Annie continued to lose. Midgame came around and we discovered that, somehow, Annie didn't understand how to play Annie, and kept trying to 1v4, ult the tank, etc.

At the end of it we got a ridiculous tirade from the Annie where she listed everything that happened in the game and why it was everyone else's fault, even the jungler's for "taking my kill" during the early gank.

Some people just... I read what they type and all I see is "waaah waaah why aren't I being carried harder you're all bad even though I'm 0/25 help me more"

ChumpySlasherMar 17, 20151 votes

i think it's probably more of changing your play style according to the situation. if their jg is camping top try to ward, play safe, and keep track of him at all times. if your team knows he's camping top more than ganking other lanes, they can play more aggressive without having to worry about getting counter gank, etc. i know some people are pretty annoying but i'll just block em. their pings still goes through so you still know if there's a mia or they're coming to assist etc.

Aboylova92Mar 17, 20151 votes

I'd had this plenty of times when I play jungle. If I see a lane that I know for sure my laner is going to have a difficult time with, and if he seems competent after the first gank, he sure as hell is getting camped. I had a recent game with a Talon v a Zed. Ganked level 3, they were 2, and while Talon did outplay the zed to get first blood, I got the kill, and came back another 4 times before 6 getting him either kills, or low enough he had to back. Unfortunately his team decided to just flame him for feeding, when no one on his team was helping him ward, or ganking for him. For sure would have been a completely different game had his team not been children about it and helped him.

YorkDevilMar 17, 20151 votes

Back to back games I was playing Diana and was countered by a Fiora and Mordekaiser . I won my lane both times and in the and in the post match discussion I observed their teams trash talk them and say how bad they were for losing to me. I main Diana and I'm guessing neither of them had much experience on their champs, and just selected them for the "counter pick". Now the point I'm trying to get at here is that in most situations, summoner skill outweighs how the lane should theoretically pan out. So in situations where you need to win, like soloq, don't pick a champion just because they are a "counter", pick the champion that you are the most skilled with.

ActuallyArrowMar 17, 20151 votes

"How did you lose a 1v5 as Teemo ??? Scrub, get gud".

Devack The HolyMar 18, 20151 votes

I had a game last week where I picked Vel'Koz mid, they "counter-picked" me with Talon. My team raged at me for not letting Fiora mid since she got countered by Teemo. I simply told Fiora to farm as much as possible and Lee to prepare to gank top often. Lee told me to stfu. Fiora falls behind, meanwhile, I've made Talon my b*tch, even with their jungler (Warwick) camping me (Guy even burned his ult twice trying to kill me, the second time under my tower for a free kill for me.). Killed WW when he had blue, then started roaming to make up for Lee's lack of ganking. I head top, delete teemo, TP bot, delete their bot lane, all to the shock of every player. Talon in particular was shocked:

Talon : How do you go from 1/8 as Tristana to 7/0 as Vel'Koz?! Velkoz : They didn't ban Blitz and didn't let me mid. Talon : I don't see why. You're scary as hell.

In context, the previous game, I was Trist versus a very aggressive Cait/Blitz bot lane. Kept trying to farm under tower, and Blitz would just pull me out from under it, and he and Cait would just destroy my ass. At least I know he scoped out my match history. Trust me, if the Mastery system was live, I'd already be a master at Vel.

Anyway, the Lee was bragging about him carrying our team. Yet he barely ganked, while I scatter their team just by showing up. In fact, I was so fed by the end, only Teemo was able to give me problems (Little rat was responsible for most of my deaths thanks to his poison/shrooms), and their team asked if my tentacles hurt carrying Lee.

So yeah, counters aren't everything. I've forced so many "counters" to be my toys as poke mages like Vel'Koz and Xerath, simply because every time they tried to farm, I'd just Xerath Q/W or Vel W/E to force them to back off. Then again, I get flamed in Bronze for going TP/Flash on Vel and Xerath simply to make up for my lack of mobility and safer laning. I've even made "expert" Zed and Kat players cry or ragequit. Just play who you're best at in the position you're taking, and you'll beat people who take certain champs just because they'll "counter" you. Talon here learned that first-hand. (Pretty sure the guy banned Vel in his next few games, just in case he came across me again.)

Hopefully Riot reworks Lux to be a better control/poke mage than she is now. The hatred I will generate with these three >:D Hopefully Veigar gets a little better after next patch, so that I can really be a bitch to assassin mids.

For reference, here's what I usually take mid:

Velkoz Xerath Annie Orianna Lissandra Veigar Lux