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Why was a 2 week banned for this?

tyfoon··1 votes·913 views

Why, after being told to kill myself, and that j4 was going to feed my lane, does this deserve a ban? What exactly did i say that was deemed worthy of a 2 week ban. i know i retaliated and could have muted them, but is this actually worthy of a 2 week ban? It seems rather harsh for saying pretty much nothing but "im reporting someone" for telling me to kill myself. Ive never gotten banned on this account before, only a 10 game mute a while ago. Besides that my record is clean, but being told to kill myself multiple times really bothers me considering a friend of mine committed suicide a few years back.

wtf 2 plats? what is mm you have 2 plats lel im silver wtf im silver how am i with u report rito i dont even know how to play adc this is a joke jk ashen o flash or heak u should hit bot no sums on ashe she has no escpae can u stop reported thebn enjoy ur ban lmao enjoyur 2 week ban kid LMAO hope u have backup accounts please do ty j4 ulol j4 ur the one who seems mad dude j4 ur so mad right now rofl lol so then why are u trolling "im gonna come bot and feed" rofl look how mad u are relaxz dude its fine aw are u mad cya nerd ROFL clearly ur upset dont worry uve sai denough for tribunal same with brand enjoy urself bud im sirry what have i said? explain what have i said lol lol u guys are funny my team is so mad lol yeah idk fizz brand tellin me to kill myself j4 sayin hes feeding no idea u said it not me u still said it bud oh ? go ahead i havent cursed once and im the lowest rank here :d report me? u told me to kill myself lol dont worry we got this ok told u

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Jubbinaut6 votes

Well, I see report calls, ban threats, and persistent badgering - none of which is considered acceptable. So that probably has something to do with it.

Keep in mind that the actions of others have no bearing on your case - what they said is only relevant to their own cases.

tyfoon3 votes

so threatening to ban someone who told you multiple times to kill yourself isn't* acceptable? Define badgering for me. When your top laner says "fuck you faggot I'm coming to feed bot" "kill yourself faggot" "i don't care anymore I'm feeding bot" "this faggot is so mad I'm feeding bot" Sorry, idk where riots logic comes from, but i didn't say anything even remotely near what was being dished to me. I don't sit idly by while someone spews hatred at me for literally no reason. I did not invoke any crude behavior.

Jubbinaut2 votes

{quoted}

so threatening to ban someone who told you multiple times to kill yourself isn't* acceptable?

No. It's not. It's considered harassment.

I'm not saying it's worse than what he said, but "it could be worse" doesn't mean the same thing as "not a bad thing."

Define badgering for me.

According to dictionary.reference.com: "to harass or urge persistently; pester; nag"

Sorry, idk where riots logic comes from, but i didn't say anything even remotely near what was being dished to me.

It doesn't matter if what you said was as bad as what was said to you. All that matters is whether or not what you said was - in and of itself - considered unacceptable.

It's not a contest to see who was "less bad." When it comes to toxicity, the only person you're competing against is yourself, and the only measure that matters is Riot's standards.

I don't sit idly by while someone spews hatred at me for literally no reason. I did not invoke any crude behavior.

You don't have to sit and listen to it. Mute them. Block them.

No one is saying that you should passively accept abuse. But active avoidance isn't the same as counter-attacking.

EDIT: Allow me to be extremely clear, here:

By itself, this log doesn't quite seem to be worth a 2-week ban. It's extremely doubtful, however, that this was the only game where you exhibited toxicity (in large part because the system tends to require a fair number of reported games before it bothers with mild-moderate toxicity).

I think it's reasonable to assume that if further logs were available, we'd see more of the same - enough more to warrant a ban.

tyfoon1 votes

to be honest, i really am not toxic. What i think happened was that the automated system picked up on the words "kill myself" and "im giong to feed bot" when i was just quoting what another player said. But a computer cant recognize the difference between the 2 it just goes by what u say. which is why i think this isnt justifiable

Jubbinaut1 votes

You're welcome to think that.

My only purpose here was to point out what I saw in your logs. I've explained that. If you wish to believe I'm wrong, do so.

I just hope it doesn't come back to bite you.

freya od1 votes

Don't worry. I feel you. Jubbinaut likes to come on the forum suck riot's dick like he's going to get free RP for it or something.

This is exactly what i feel like is wrong with the system, it takes being toxic and punishing for it way out of context. It's literally boiled down to bantering and defending yourself as being punishable now. To me, you weren't being toxic. You were sarcastically responding to their true toxicity and trolling without cussing or calling them names. This is why i miss the tribunal, it was actually very, very reliable. May have taken a while to get things done, but it was extremely fair.

The automated system is a joke. Did you deserve to be banned for this? no. not in my opinion what so ever. I'm in your exact same boat, kid. But just so you know, everything is completely automated. Like not reviewed. I was banned before by the automated system instantly- no review of my account- falsely reported, because it's been proven it doesn't actually scan for words like riot claimed, it's literally adding up numbers of reports and punishing people for them, and rioters don't even review the bans.

So as everyone seems to say, it'd be best to not speak at all to avoid false reports. or as sky williams says, DST: dick-sucking-theory. suck their dicks and pretend everything is peachy. Sucks, but it's the kind of environment riot is breeding now and it blows.

Jubbinaut1 votes

Are you stalking me or something now? That's really disconcerting.

As for "defending yourself" - that's always potentially been punishable. Riot's stance has been against retaliation for longer than I've been playing. The Tribunal consistently punished it.

But I'd love to see this proof you claim to have that the system is based purely on reports.

freya od1 votes

Actually I wasn't talking to you at all, but vouching for this chick. I find you creeping ALL over the boards spreading your ignorant, self-righteous, full of it bull shit. like I legitimately hate you with a deep passion. You have 0 info or data for any of your shit except for maybe one isolated incident and you run with it like it's the norm, yet you suck up to riot like you're going to win a prize for sucking their dick the hardest because you're actually stupid enough to take what they say at face value and use it as your fucking bible.

Actually, my account has been proof. I was chat restricted 3 times with no toxicty, not cussing at people, not calling them names etc. Like the actually intelligent guy from the other post said, just saying things that people may not necessarily like doesn't mean that they're toxic. People like you take anything that isn't unicorns, ass-kissing, and fucking rainbows of positivity coming out of fifth-age taric's asshole to be toxic. Like, no. There's actually a pretty fine line, believe it not.

Not to mention, as the other guy said, there's been more than one experiment done on the system to prove it just adds up reports. I've googled this in the past and read about a number of reports because I was mind-blown i was getting restricted and wanted to know what the deal was. Oh, there it is, riot is a lieing sack of shit. Unless it has scanned an isolated word by itself and sees ___ and automatically assumes by that one word you're being toxic. Even in the old forum you sent me, there's good and bad contexts of it, yet with the automated system you get punished for anything at all. Oh like you said, it's reaching it's goal, but also by bringing down quite innocent people because the children of this community like to cry wolf if they're not being having a gasm from being worshipped about their feeding skills.

So save it, because i really have no interest in talking to your troll ass. Where you quote other people and cut out over half of what they say so it looks like you actually have a fucking argument. You disgust me. Don't talk to me.

Jubbinaut1 votes

[{quoted}](name=freya od,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=Vy4E5Gry,comment-id=0000000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2015-08-06T22:07:51.859+0000)

Actually I wasn't talking to you at all, but vouching for this chick.

No, but talking about me. Still pretty creepy.

I find you creeping ALL over the boards spreading your ignorant, self-righteous, full of it bull shit. like I legitimately hate you with a deep passion. You have 0 info or data for any of your shit except for maybe one isolated incident and you run with it like it's the norm, yet you suck up to riot like you're going to win a prize for sucking their dick the hardest because you're actually stupid enough to take what they say at face value and use it as your fucking bible.

I'm sorry you feel that way. I'm not sure I really understand why, though. Still, are the insults really necessary?

Actually, my account has been proof. I was chat restricted 3 times with no toxicty, not cussing at people, not calling them names etc. Like the actually intelligent guy from the other post said, just saying things that people may not necessarily like doesn't mean that they're toxic. People like you take anything that isn't unicorns, ass-kissing, and fucking rainbows of positivity coming out of fifth-age taric's asshole to be toxic. Like, no. There's actually a pretty fine line, believe it not.

As I've stated repeatedly (which you've probably seen, since you find me "creeping ALL over the boards"):

Nobody claims that everything has to be rainbows and unicorn farts. The minimum demand is simply: "don't be a jerk."

And every case I've seen come out of this system - that wasn't overturned - failed that test.

Not to mention, as the other guy said, there's been more than one experiment done on the system to prove it just adds up reports. I've googled this in the past and read about a number of reports because I was mind-blown i was getting restricted and wanted to know what the deal was.

I looked into that, too. All the ones I saw demonstrated that the data was falsely presented - the players were punished for other games that they had played, where they were being toxic.

If you care to present actual evidence rather than blank claims, I'd be glad to see it.

So save it, because i really have no interest in talking to your troll ass. Where you quote other people and cut out over half of what they say so it looks like you actually have a fucking argument. You disgust me. Don't talk to me.

Mostly I cut things to save space. I've run into too many conversations that, because of the length of posts and responses, hit the character limit when quoted. As a preventative measure against that, I started clipping extraneous commentary that either restated a position or wasn't relevant to any of the things I was addressing.

Unless you're referring to my habit of responding to chunks of a post at a time - that comes more from a preference for organized reading. Each piece of my own post stands as a response to a particular point the other person has made. I feel it makes things easier to follow/process. YMMV.

I realize you're frustrated with whatever sanction you've been given - and I sympathize, I really do - but do you really think that coming to a random board and insulting someone for no real reason is going to help at all? I know it doesn't help your case, and I'm sure it won't change the sanction. And I don't think it will help you feel better about it, anyway.

freya od1 votes

no, people fail the test in YOUR fucking opinion. you think this person failed the test, and i 100% disagree with you. because that isn't toxic, thats being sarcastic in response to other's toxicity. Not the same thing, as i said, you're one of those people who whine and bitch about people who aren't suck your dick and sucking riot's dick. "oh my gahhhhhddd, everyone is, like, SO toxic, everyone is a bully and threatening and mean" <--- that is literally you, and quite obvious based off your other posts. like, just stop dude, you're honestly disgusting me on a level i never knew existed. grow up, grow some balls, and let them drop.

unless you have a personal message from riot with chat logs posted to discredit the multiple experiments done, i dont wanna fucking hear it. Half ass, second level "evidence" won't cut it. You wanna get on the technicalities? then provide something solid about every. single. case. otherwise you don't know like you ASSume you do. innocent until proven guilty, and riot doesn't like to do that. As another commenter posted: "riot will throw you in jail without full access to your evidence and won't let you have a trial" yes. exactly, yes. the tribunal was the "trial" now there is no trial.

I hope riot is buying you dinner before you're letting them fuck you. get off the boards

Jubbinaut1 votes

[{quoted}](name=freya od,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=Vy4E5Gry,comment-id=000000000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-07T01:02:18.505+0000)

no, people fail the test in YOUR fucking opinion. you think this person failed the test, and i 100% disagree with you. because that isn't toxic, thats being sarcastic in response to other's toxicity. Not the same thing, as i said, you're one of those people who whine and bitch about people who aren't suck your dick and sucking riot's dick. "oh my gahhhhhddd, everyone is, like, SO toxic, everyone is a bully and threatening and mean" <--- that is literally you, and quite obvious based off your other posts. like, just stop dude, you're honestly disgusting me on a level i never knew existed. grow up, grow some balls, and let them drop.

Actually, I think most people aren't toxic. I rarely see toxicity in my games.

But don't let reality stop you from attacking random people on the internet. Because that would be silly.

unless you have a personal message from riot with chat logs posted to discredit the multiple experiments done, i dont wanna fucking hear it. Half ass, second level "evidence" won't cut it. You wanna get on the technicalities? then provide something solid about every. single. case. otherwise you don't know like you ASSume you do. innocent until proven guilty, and riot doesn't like to do that. As another commenter posted: "riot will throw you in jail without full access to your evidence and won't let you have a trial" yes. exactly, yes. the tribunal was the "trial" now there is no trial.

Riot posted IN those threads, with logs from the players who performed the "experiments" (really poorly planned experiments, by the way - they failed to account for so many confounding variables that it's not funny). So, y'know, I didn't need personal messages - not that you'd trust them anyway. You'd probably just accuse me of making it up.

I hope riot is buying you dinner before you're letting them fuck you. get off the boards

I don't even know what this means.

Seriously, what in the name of all that's holy is your problem with me? I don't even know you, but you randomly decide today to start attacking me for talking to people?

But you expect people to believe that you were falsely punished? While you're sitting around insulting someone who's trying to be sympathetic to you, despite the fact that the very first thing you said to him was a series of insults?

Like... what is the point of this?

freya od1 votes

Then what is your fucking argument? Toxicity most complained about thing, you said everyone you see fails the test, then suddenly most people aren't toxic? This isn't a whining and pissing contest between players on who can be the most passive-aggressive, there's never going to be everyone getting along or muting everyone in an online MOBA. That's asking for miracles, and people need to be realistic. Tribunal punished toxicity and hating, not banter.

I'm not talking about threads from here, I've read them else where, i've never seen a post on the boards about the experiment. I think i saw...maybe one? No comments from riot anywhere on it. The big silver fist is hard to miss, especially since you see them so rarely, when they DO pop up it's like a beam of sun yanking at your eye balls.

Yes, i was fucking falsely punished. My hatred for you is no indicator of how i act in game. This is an on-going thing here, that's like saying everyone who plays league never tells someone to fuck off out side of game, because other wise if people get angry, they obviously deserve to be banned for something completely unrelated. What is logic for 500, alex?

Jubbinaut1 votes

[{quoted}](name=freya od,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=Vy4E5Gry,comment-id=00000000000000000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-08-07T01:31:30.743+0000)

Then what is your fucking argument? Toxicity most complained about thing, you said everyone you see fails the test, then suddenly most people aren't toxic? This isn't a whining and pissing contest between players on who can be the most passive-aggressive, there's never going to be everyone getting along or muting everyone in an online MOBA. That's asking for miracles, and people need to be realistic. Tribunal punished toxicity and hating, not banter.

I never said toxicity was the most complained about thing.

And you're misrepresenting the second part of my statement.

The point I was making was this:

Most of the players who complained about their own bans did so because they believed their retaliations should not have been considered toxic. Nevertheless, reviews of those cases consistently failed the "don't be a jerk" test.

None of which speaks to the overall community - just that subset of players.

I'm not talking about threads from here, I've read them else where, i've never seen a post on the boards about the experiment. I think i saw...maybe one? No comments from riot anywhere on it. The big silver fist is hard to miss, especially since you see them so rarely, when they DO pop up it's like a beam of sun yanking at your eye balls.

I'm talking about threads on Reddit, where I read somewhere between 6 and 12 variations of the same concept. And in every single one, a Rioter posted logs from that player showing a game from the same account where they had not played duo, but had been toxic - usually very toxic.

Which marks two of those "confounding variables" i was referring to.

An experiment worth noting in this would be done with full open information (showing match history and chat logs) on a brand new account, would never do anything but duo queue on the account, and would never do or say anything even remotely toxic. I'd say the best test would be to say absolutely nothing.

Yet not a single experimenter has done that.

Yes, i was fucking falsely punished. My hatred for you is no indicator of how i act in game. This is an on-going thing here, that's like saying everyone who plays league never tells someone to fuck off out side of game, because other wise if people get angry, they obviously deserve to be banned for something completely unrelated. What is logic for 500, alex?

I'm not trying to imply that you should have been banned. I haven't seen your logs, nor am I interested in seeing them. I am, however, stating that the way you present yourself here does not serve to influence people to think well of you.

As for "ongoing thing," I literally - to my knowledge - had never spoken to you before you decided to start insulting me for no discernible reason.

I just don't understand the point.

Reket DeAlk2 votes

{quoted}

** Keep in mind that the actions of others have no bearing on your case - what they said is only relevant to their own cases.**

Just bolding this because you don't seem to get the point. You got banned for what you said, not what anyone else said that caused you to react. They probably got banned as well, you don't know. But that doesn't justify what you were typing. So yes, you deserved this. Learn from your mistake, fix it, move on, do better.

tyfoon2 votes

and what you don't seem to get, is that my actions don't seem severe enough to deem worthy of a 2 week suspension. Did i tell someone to kill themselves? Did i harass anyone? Did i use curse words at anyone in game? There is nothing to fix, because i didn't say anything wrong or offensive or ABUSIVE.

Renaille2 votes

You are not exonerated by others actions. You are both at fault.

tyfoon1 votes

but what did i say that justifies a 2 week suspension? Why would threatening to report someone who is clearly toxic, be a negative offense. Clearly telling me to kill myself is something i take personally, and instead of saying what i wanted to say, i told the guy id report him. Basically a threat to, stop telling another human being to kill themselves over a video game, or else I'm gonna report you. I just fail to see what exactly i did that was so wrong

KVbqbFsC8e2 votes

You got a two week ban because you were reported. It doesn't matter what you said at all, the ban is completely automated.

tyfoon1 votes

which is why i posted this... I don't think the context in which I'm speaking in-game deserves a ban. Any normal human being who reads the chat log, despite all the white knight perfect angels on this board, can recognize that what i said all game was not toxic, and hardly offensive retaliation if u can even call it offensive

KVbqbFsC8e2 votes

{quoted}

which is why i posted this... I don't think the context in which I'm speaking in-game deserves a ban. Any normal human being who reads the chat log, despite all the white knight perfect angels on this board, can recognize that what i said all game was not toxic, and hardly offensive retaliation if u can even call it offensive

Well yeah, I'm in the same boat. I called my botlane bad a couple days ago and was instantly two week banned afterwards despite not even being Chat restricted. The automated system they use does not work well, to say the least.

tyfoon1 votes

i didn't even call anyone bad......

Pretty Dhizi2 votes

Lowering yourself to their level of behavior makes you accountable for all your actions too. You both pretty much deserve a ban.

tyfoon1 votes

i still don't see what i said that deserves a harsh ban. I didn't call him bad, i didn't say anything rude or offensive. Explain where i was toxic

tyfoon1 votes

also, the individual who told me to kill myself hasn't been banned. Why? please explain

warpenguin5551 votes

because even if you arent the most toxic, you still get banned. good thing too

tyfoon1 votes

define toxic then. What did i say that was toxic?

therealdragon1 votes

At first I thought that this wasn't banworthy, that at most you shoulda gotten chat restricted.

Then I realized it takes multiple games to get banned so what aren't you showing us OP? :p

tyfoon1 votes

no. it doesn't anymore. You can get instantly banned with the new system apparently. I actually haven't been toxic at all. And id say that i could have said WAY more but i didn't. I didn't even say anything bad..

Sarutobi1 votes

To be fair like someone said you need to have been reported numerous times. The chat logs are from the most recent games, so for all we know you could have said a lot of worse things in your previous games!

All in all retaliation no matter if it's justifed isn't tolerated. It's sad, but it makes sense. Common sense would tell you just mute and move on. People will say things like this and the whole reason for that is because they want you to make some sort of comeback so they can report you. Just learn from this and mute. Don't give them any evidence that could be used against you.

LaceUp231 votes

I don't think so lol.

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