Fiora Reaver

RickDodger··2 votes·498 views

Hi. I'm here to ask questions about anyone who's a new fiora main due to her changes. I need some feedback on her itemization, her field of gameplay, and her current outlook so far.

I also have a question of asking anyone to try a rather hypothetical item combination.

item 1305 item 3508 item 3071 item 3031 item 3074 item 3142

I wanted to ask peoples opinions about these 5 items in combination together with the current Fiora as she is now. I would ask that those who play Fiora as is now - and KNOW HER WELL - could reply or try this item combination in lane. I would like to get some results since I'm unfamiliar with Fiora.

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RickDodger1 votes

Just need some response here.

RickDodger1 votes

Updated the post for some proper Icons

The Sword Saint1 votes

Reaver is completely unnecessary and gets in the way of items fiora really needs. Fiora's trading in lane is super mana efficient and I almost never run out of mana unless I've been straight out fighting to the death for whole minutes. Even spamming q off cooldown doesn't really dent your mana bar. You will only ever have mana issues if you literally qwe every single time theyre off cooldown, but even then q is so cheap that you can almost use it off cooldown to proc vitals just from ambient mana regen.

What fiora needs first is a tiamat and a vamp scepter so she can waveclear and sustain, maybe getting a spectre cowl or a warden mail early if in a super poke heavy lane that she just needs to survive early. Next she needs some tankiness, I personaly opt for a mid tier defence item of both mr and armor before I build more damage but other people can get away with just one until later. Phage is good on fiora as is BC in general but that doesn't become really useful or necessary until later in the game when people have a lot of armor.

I've found that fiora just is a lot more reliable as a half damage half defence fighter rather than a glass cannon adc type like your build aims at. You want to be making heavy use of your passive and ult in fights, not just trying to auto them to death like a master yi or something. Fiora is a different champion now then before, she's not an assassin who dives the enemy team.

All in all, your hypothetical build is expensive, has a poor item build path, wastes gold on mana regen she doesn't need at all, relies on black cleaver instead of laws whisper against tanks (so you have to stack it with several hits... and you have no tankniness to sit around for several hits), relies on autoattacking constantly to take advantage of all of your crit and attack speed, and will explode instantly in any teamfight unless you're so much more skilled than the enemy that you could build 5 ie's and it wouldn't matter.

For reference, the build I aim for is: item 1001 item 3074 item 3065 item 3143 item 3071 item 3025 . This build makes you tanky enough to fight long enough to proc your passive over and over and has great sustain from hydra+passive+ult heal+spirit visage, has 40% cdr to spam your spells super often and stick to enemies plus the phage move boost from black cleaver and the burst+slow field from iceborn makes it easier to chase and get into position for vitals. I also go 9/21 for masteries.

RickDodger1 votes

... You could've given a simple set of items that work more reliably. That, and you could replace item 3071 with item 3035 and just say what other items could be better than pointing out continuous negatives. Another suggestion you could've made is replacing item 3508 with item 3110 and item 3142 with item 3139 or item 3156.

You do realize the more AD she has, the greater her ultimates heal is right? The ratio listed is PER SECOND the ult is up. The ratio being .6% Bonus AD which - multiplied by 5 seconds - is 3.0% Bonus AD in healing + base 85 healing per second.

Again, simply saying there's an easier way to reply.

Also, note that your 2nd auto attack after activating E is 'an ASSURED auto attack'. This itemization is meant to put item 3031 in making your 2nd auto after using E at 250% damage, item 3142 and item 3035 for penetration and mobility, along with cooldown reduction and stronger dueling power. It is NOT meant to garner an auto attack focus Fiora.

item 3074 is meant to let you proc a physical damage burst with Lunge, Bladework on first auto attack, item 3074, and then second critical auto attack with item 3031 granting you 250% critical damage, and the use of item 1305 lets you synergize with proc-ing your passive or your ultimate. Your passive grants healing, bonus damage, and bonus movement speed. Throwing in item 3508 was necessary for synergizing with item 3074 for 22% lifesteal and item 3142 for 20% CDR.

Masteries that go in this category are 21/9/0 for synergizing with item 3035 for 40% armor ignore, and then item 3142 for 20 points of armor ignore.

For me, this is not about constant auto attacking. This is about throwing in as much AD as possible to maximize on Fiora's Ultimate on its activation.

Her healing when hitting all 4 vital points on the ultimate is 80 - 140 per second the ultimate is up, for FIVE WHOLE SECONDS. The AD Ratio is 60% her BONUS ATTACK DAMAGE. 40+80+80+35+75 bonus AD in the items listed previously SO FAR equal to 310 Bonus AD. Reduce that to 60% and you get 186 + 140 per second of heal. 186+140 is 326 per second. Now if she succeeds on her heal ... it makes EVERYONE in the area benefit from 326 healing PER SECOND FOR 5 SECONDS, which equals up to 1630 Healing in total of the whole duration of the ultimate.

Think about what that means for ADC's, supports, and item 3065 users. This means they can heal quite fast almost BACK TO FULL if they're squishy, or tanks and bruisers can heal up to +20% on that and get 1956 healing out of it for god sake, that's almost HEALING HALF A TANK OR BRUISERS HEALTH BACK UP since item 3065 is going to be tailored to allow ALL TYPES OF HEALING ONTO THE WEARER increase by 20%.

The Sword Saint1 votes

Your item build is fundamentally flawed. You want her to be a crit stacking auto attacking squishy champion, but she can't do that reliably against decent players and survive. At the bottom of my analysis I posted what item build and masteries I've seen be the best after playing literally only fiora nonstop since her rework (and also speaking as someone who played old fiora for years).

Swapping out BC for LW won't fix your build, it just makes you more squishy, with 20% less cdr and less movespeed because of losing the phage passive. Swapping ghostblade with scimitar or maw is also missing the point, you need real defence not halfassed 'well I want to get as much damage as possible but I'll begrudgingly get some mr on one of my swords'. Trust me, she has more than enough damage to do her job with just hydra and black cleaver, anything pure damage after that is diminishing returns.

Im telling you these things from my experiances playing old and new fiora and trying out a lot of things before I found the method that seems to actually work - which is to build half tank with an emphasis on sustain and max cdr. Your passive is your biggest tool, you can't just try and work your way around with with brute force using a glass cannon auto attacking build. Any decent players will just blow you up like a less effective master yi... riposte is a strong tool but it only lasts .75 seconds even in the optimal use case where you block some cc, you'll still get rekt as soon as its over (and its on a 20 second cooldown at rank 1, not really getting much better as time goes on unless you max cdr).

RickDodger1 votes

Sorry. You have no idea how much number crunching I've done on this all things considered. My issue is feeling like I didn't even make any headway.

The Sword Saint1 votes

I appreciate that you've put some time and thought into this theorycraft, any love going towards fiora is welcomed.

I really do understand the impulse to put as much damage on her as possible, and I do it sometimes as a fun cheese off build when I'm messing around, but it's just not efficient.

You have to take a look at individual kit interactions when deciding what items are good on fiora, and then you have to look at what your item build currently has, what it lacks, and which item would next best fit a need.

Lets go over some examples: item 3031 is a sexy item, it has a lot of ad, boosts crit damage, and has crit chance. However, you quickly run into a practical problem when building crit chance items on fiora in that, A) you aren't auto attacking all that often compared to an adc or a yi so you have few chances to proc a crit, but most importanly B) E CANNOT crit on the first hit EVER, and it will ALWAYS crit on the second hit.

This means that a significant amount of your auto attacks (the ones using e) are never going to even take crit chance into consideration - which makes critical chance a very inefficient stat. That's not even getting into the pseudo random algorithm Riot uses for crit chance which makes crits less likely after you crit and more likely after you fail to crit, which would mean that using you e just makes it even less likely that you'll crit on non e attacks. Also, your q does not proc either of your e attacks, not can it crit at all. Which means that the vast majority of your attacks (q and e empowered autos.. and probably hydra active) will completely ignore any crit chance you buy, and in fact make the few other autos you hit with less likely to crit than normal.

Considering how expensive item 3031 is, the fact that your kit makes it even less efficient then normal makes the item very unattractive for its price. The same goes for item 3142 which includes crit chance and attack speed. Despite the sexy active and flat armor pen, crit is inefficient on fiora and for similar reasons so is attack speed. Attack speed will not greatly help you take towers faster either unless you stack it, while stacking attack speed will not increase your pvp damage meaningfully since, again, you'll be spamming q (which is on a 2 second cooldown late game if you have cdr and aren't missing), e, and waiting out a riposte far fr more often then you'll be in position to freely auto attack someone.

item 3508 is not very useful because you spend a significant portion of the gold on the mana sustain, and you don't actually need the mana sustain - on top of it just being a rather inefficient item in general that noone buys for good reason.

It's true that by stacking damage and armor pen you can do almost true damage to targets for a short time until you get blown up - or you can build tanky with some damage items and deal true damage through your passive for a significantly longer period of time, and actually live long enough to benifit from your own ult heal - which still heals for almost 1000 over its duration even if you built full tank and no damage at all.

RickDodger1 votes

Actually it heals up only around 700 with no bonus AD and around 1045 with just item 3074 and item 3071 as your bonus AD. I know I won't be critical attacking often when I've been looking more towards the second auto attack after using E...

I still hope there are others who can at least find a team comp where a glass Cannon Fiora can work. If anyone CAN make this work AT ALL ... then I'd be happy to be notified. Otherwise, I just feel worried it's a build path that's gone to waste.

The Sword Saint1 votes

If you stomp lane super hard and snowball out of control, glass cannon may be able to work to end the game faster... you'll just probably throw the game that way if you make a mistake and die and the enemy team has time to come back.

Hey, if some challenger comes in and proves me wrong and explains how you can glass cannon it to victory, I'll be happy too since it would give me more options as a fiora player.

The Sword Saint1 votes

I understand your frustration, feel free to take your build into some bot or normal matches and see how ti works for you. I'm just sharing my experience and knowledge of her kit interactions. Little things like not knowing q can't crit or that your e autos don't take crit chance into consideration at all are important when considering whether to buy any crit, but aren't the kind of thing you'd probably know without binging on the wiki or playing it yourself.

Also, your w can proc vitals, which while amusing to finish off a fleeing opponant or for a super early trade in lane, is not something to ever try in a teamfight because of the long cooldown and because its just a waste when you could be blocking darius ults and ahri charms, etc.

RickDodger1 votes

Thanks. The last time I tested out item 3031 in a bot game was that the +50% crit damage bonus does work when using her 2nd auto attack after using E. I can understand that Q does not critically strike, and i took that into calculation.

In the end, when I imagine a Fiora going into hitting a target with 20% CDR, 426 AD, and 20/40% armor penetration, I think of her using lunge for 461.5 physical damage, auto attacking once for 426 damage, using Ravenous Hydra for 426 damage again, and then using her second auto attack for a confirmed crit for 1065 physical damage. Add that with hitting a vital spot for dealing 16.5% of the targets maximum health as true damage... you have 2378.5 physical damage in under 1.5 seconds.

This is something I tested out in a private Bot game. If the target wasn't dead on that then you can follow up with another vital proc for another 16.5% true damage or another Q for another 461.5 physical damage.

But yeah...this is for simply a glass cannon In-and-Out Fiora that I think won't work unless someone is REALLY good at it...

I can only pray one shows up to see if I had something.

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