Shouldn't be allowed past 2.2kmmr there should just be a gatekeeper who 1v1's these players and tests them. And if they main jungle like me? 5v5's and watches the replay of the movements of the player being tested.
We need more gatekeepers like this. Riot, go hire some. Thanks. go get a bunch of fabby's or something.
redniwediS1 votesRanked isn't about a single game, it's about the average. If someone is good enough with their main to make up for all the times they don't get that role they deserve whatever MMR they can achieve.
ImHerVoice1 votesno ranked is about improving yourself.
This is why players that don't improve aren't allowed into the relm of those of us who actually want to improve. The casuals who just want seasonal rewards can stay at low diamond where they belong. The rest of us will actually go someplace on the ladder.
Just get sick of hearing "lel I can't XXXXXXX lel" or even better. Some guy who mains your role. Takes it. Then fucking feeds or does nothing, or can't position...oh god... that burns me so hard. 1/0/3 lee sin at the 25 minute mark.
redniwediS1 votesYou see, you're mistaking players who do not improve with players who do improve, but only do so in a very focused area. Again it's about averages, you don't usually get to see someone across multiple games, so if you see them doing bad you don't really know if they have never practiced a role or made a silly mistake in a matchup they are not experienced at.
People have bad games, and as such no one should be subjected to another person's idea of what "decent" is.
ImHerVoice1 votesyou improve on everything or nothing at all. Only quitters choose one thing to be good at in life. Just because you're a cook doesn't mean you can't fix your car when its broken down right? Just because you're a mechanic doesn't mean you can't make a mean clam chowder soup.
This game works the exact same way. People who only play 1 role decently(and i use that generously.. there are so many trash bags in elos they don't deserve now a days I don't even know how to understand how half these players got there..but wow.. they exist..) You're only playing 20% of the entire genre. Why even bother playing at all then? Play the whole game or not at all. Its just pure laziness that these players don't improve themselves globally. Nothing more. Lazy and selfish players ruin the moba genre. I wish it wasn't the truth, but it is. And its a really sad truth...
redniwediS1 votesYou're making a huge assumption here. Just because you improve at everything doesn't mean you are equally skilled at everything. Someone who desires to learn a single role to the best of their ability will naturally improve at the other roles as their knowledge of the game increases.
However this still should not mean everyone should be governed by some hidden standard. If a person does not learn more than one role there will be a point where they cannot physically climb in rank. This point is decided not by you and not by Riot, but by how skilled they are at their chosen role and how lucky they are in champion select.
You do not have the ability to decide who deserves what simply because they play this game in a different way than you would like them to. Everyone who plays League is held to the same, inclusive standard that is the current ranking system. If you put your mind to it you can achieve whatever rank you can earn through hard work alone, even if your knowledge of the game or skill is subpar compared to those you are matched with.
That is how the ranked system is and should be. You earn what you deserve, you are not told what you deserve.
ImHerVoice2 voteshuge assumption? Decision making Positioning Mechanics in general are all global.
Its not hard for anyone who has these in an above average state to learn anything.
If I'm playing ranked I expect this. In normals I dont care In non ranked modes/maps I don't care
In ranked I care. YOu come to improve and win. Thats ranked. Nothing more, nothing less. If you're only good at 1 thing or not even that good at it, then you don't deserve to be where other people who do care.
I once knew a chef. He graduated top of his class. One of the smartest men I've ever met, very humble too.
But this guy, cooked so slow. That it ment nothing, when we had 10+ tickets to fill and he's in the back room taking 5 hours to make a single anything He took 5 hours just making clam chowder this one time. Clam chowder dude. We already had the stock done and everything for every soup. All you had to do is heat it up.
Like I said, you have to be good at all the parts to be actually good at anything. you can't half ass your way through anything. Evenutally you will get your ass bit off by the bigger fish. And then you'll only be frustrated in the end. For now I end up being the one frustrated with others because they're too damn lazy to learn the right way to play a moba.
Its like no one enjoys learning all the roles anymore. They're happy with thier 1 track mind selfish playstyle "give me my role because I suck at anything else" What the fuck kind of community is that to play with?
redniwediS1 votesThis is the community you have to play with. You're saying people should learn all roles, which is true. You're also saying that skills learned in each role apply to all other roles, which is true. However you're saying that because of these two points anyone who does not focus their time and energy to learn all roles at the same pace should not be allowed to play ranked at YOUR level.
You don't get to decide things about other people. People will learn how they want, play how they want, and if they can reach a rank by doing so they have earned it. You have no right to tell them otherwise.
If you have to "learn all parts to be actually good at anything" then people who only know one role won't reach high ranks. So get to those high ranks yourself and you won't have to deal with these people.
ImHerVoice1 votesthey only get there because elo inflation. Back in season 1/2 this actually wasn't a huge issue. It has become blattenly apparent in the past 2-3 seasons (season 3+) that theres alot of bad players in the 2.k+ mmr bracket who are boosted or don't belong there because diamond right now isn't the skill of diamond in season 2 in terms of personal player skill and mechanics etc.
The overall quality of the higher elos has degraded far below what it used to be. I feel it almost anytime I'm not playing in 2.5k+ mmr
Like you played in the older years(seasons) right? Doesn't high plat feel like playing in silver/gold now? Or low diamond feel like high plat? Or mid diamond feel like low diamond? It feels like that everytime I log on a lower bracket account. It feels like half the elos run together because theres so much elo inflation/elo boosting/friends helping their low elo friends into a higher bracket etc etc
It's really upsetting to see people not enjoy learning the game the way I did when I was a newer league player. Thats like half the fun... of the entire genre... learning all the roles.. the champions.. how they work... etc...
Raptamei2 votes{quoted} 1/0/3 lee sin at the 25 minute mark.
So he didn't die, ganked at least 4 times successfully, and you pushed like a retard and didn't give him any more opportunities to gank?
ImHerVoice1 votesActually, I won my lane as exhaust ignite irelia going 5/1 and the 1 time I died was after being ganked 12 times unsuccessful and the 13th time was me being triple dived while my jungler failed his everything yet again and didnt take dragon once any of the 13 times their jungler showed up.(another jungler that farms instead of taking dragon when the enemy jungler is across map/dead)
We had zero dragons. Enemy had 2 at the 25 minute mark.
No I'm not a bad laner, I play better than 99% of league players when it comes to laneing. I also CS quite well for someone thats mained jungle since end of season 1.
Pythagorean Thm1 votesActually, I won my lane as exhaust ignite irelia going 5/1 and the 1 time I died was after being ganked 12 times unsuccessful and the 13th time was me being triple dived while my jungler failed his everything yet again and didnt take dragon once any of the 13 times their jungler showed up.(another jungler that farms instead of taking dragon when the enemy jungler is across map/dead)
We had zero dragons. Enemy had 2 at the 25 minute mark.
No I'm not a bad laner, I play better than 99% of league players when it comes to laneing. I also CS quite well for someone thats mained jungle since end of season 1.
Hahahhaha this guy. Get over yourself lmao
ImHerVoice1 votesI'm not bragging, I'm replying to a poor assumption made from some toxic player.
And heres me replying to another poor assumption.
Athenes Lulu1 votesThen what about support mains?
ImHerVoice1 votesEveryone should be able to compenently play every role in the game.
I never said you had to be some pro who can play every role at a challanger level. Anyone be smart and have good decision making and the mechanics to back up yourself in the elo you're in. If I'm in 2.5kmmr and I get people who are playing champs, that most people can easily stomp with, poorly... If you call XXX role and then you fail to perform its just not acceptable.
I can understand losing. I can understand mistakes. But 3 strikes you're out is just unacceptable. It means you're not learning from your mistakes if you're making similar mistakes multiple times IN THE SAME MATCH Then I'm going to have a problem and wonder wtf.