So I've always wondered why riot didn't know how to do turrets right.

ImHerVoice·Mar 9, 2015·5 votes·1,406 views

Seriously why don't they increase in defense/damage/utility of w/e their special thing is... More slow from tier 3... Higher attack speed/damage tier 1... High shield tier 2...

With increasing armor/hp etc as the game goes on.

Makes no sense why they haven't done this yet. A turret should be a threat at any point in the game. Not "well I have 3 items and a full hp tank time to just walk up to a turret and kill it when its half or lower because i have 200+ ad and atk speed boots"

26 Comments

JamareeMar 9, 20156 votes

They don't want the games getting stalled that long.

ImHerVoiceMar 9, 20152 votes

oh yeah gotta make LCS big plays with turret dives. Forgot. Sorry!

JamareeMar 9, 20156 votes

That and the community whined games dragged on too long in the earlier seasons, but whatever floats your boat.

ImHerVoiceMar 9, 20151 votes

My boat floats on roflcopters and the tears of unfathomable sadness.

PikmintsMar 9, 20152 votes

The exact reason the summoner spell Fortify was removed. Making stalling easy makes early leads much less impactful, simultaneously making late game champs pick/ban and early game champs underpowered.

ImHerVoiceMar 9, 20151 votes

DUDE fortify+promote was legit strat OK?????

I remember when i first started playing in beta I used to run fortify+teleport ashe and stun people under super turret XD! Listen... We weren't a brightest but we tried our best!

SirsirMar 10, 20151 votes

Not exactly a terrible thing ATM :\ Would put Lee Sin in his place

EleshakaiMar 9, 20151 votes

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oh yeah gotta make LCS big plays with turret dives. Forgot. Sorry!

You'd rather live in a world where turret dives were impossible?

Basically if turrets were much stronger baron would literally be the only win condition, and only because of the long range siege minion.

ImHerVoiceMar 9, 20151 votes

fuck yeah why not? better than assassin/adc meta :P

EleshakaiMar 9, 20151 votes

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fuck yeah why not? better than assassin/adc meta :P

No, it's not. Having only one win condition in the game would completely stagnate it and probably spell the end of the game.

Right now there are several... simple snowballing is one - once you have a lead if you play it right you CAN push towers - but there's also baron, 5-drag, rotation control, etc.

If we had stronger towers baron control with a siege comp would be the ONLY win condition. Every game would be xerath vs ziggs in mid lane, cait vs jinx in adc, janna vs nami in support, nunu in jungle...

yay, fun. We'd be reduced from 30-40 common picks to 10.

ImHerVoiceMar 9, 20151 votes

what league are you playing? this game has been stagnate for 2+ years buddy lmfao season 3 and then after season after was the exact same set of junglers for me.

Games stagnate as fuck.

EleshakaiMar 9, 20152 votes

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what league are you playing? this game has been stagnate for 2+ years buddy lmfao season 3 and then after season after was the exact same set of junglers for me.

Games stagnate as fuck.

The adjective form of 'stagnate' is not 'stagnate'...

But no, it isn't. The jungle hasn't changed as much as other roles, but every few months the top tier changes in prettymuch every role. Look at our top lane champs right now... aside from Mao who was good after he got buffed we have Kennen, Gnar(who didn't even exist), Sion(who was useless), etc. None of the top champs in the top lane except Mao were big last season.

ADC we have Sivir, Graves, Kalista.

Last season it was Lucian, Trist, and to a lesser extent Kog and Cait.

But of course... you're talking about the champs YOU PLAY. And since you're not a top tier player, you can prettymuch get away with playing whatever you want. Same with me. I played Zyra, LEona, Janna, Karma as support for about 2 years. Which ones were top tier came and went, but that didn't affect ME playing them. Why? Because I enjoyed them, and I wasn't high enough in rank for the 'tier list' to really affect me all that much.

ImHerVoiceMar 10, 20151 votes

Diamond is good enough for me. top 3%. Good enough for me buddy.

I only play jungle so why would I talk about other roles?

I don't care about other roles. All my champions got gutted or nerfed in some way so I don't even bother. AP janna? Yeah gl, zero compensation nerfs recently+ "utility scaling" from s3(gutted base stats)

How about jax? Yeah... Renekton top lane bar... where is that promise we were given?...yeah...

How about leblanc? holy shit she's still viable simply because mobility creep is meta and tank items are shit so theres no one there to soak a leblanc combo because "lel tank items too strong"

force of nature + banshees viel + any hp item to increase FoN regen vs leblanc/any assassin ap might as well just bend over.

Irelia? Barely viable due to broken trinity/ blade of the ruined king. She'd be just as shit as she was 3+ years ago without these broken buffs to items/new items

How about MF? passive still falls off to fucking minions in season 5. And all her base stats are gutted as fuck.

Twitch? Well he had his time in the sun because of broken blade+IE combo just running up and 4+ crit+blade instagibb someone. Old twitch didn't have this issue, that was just new twitch broken Q.

j4? Welp I've played him since release, utility junglers will always be viable until riot makes it even harder to clear so that you have to recall before you even clear both your buffs rofl.

Katarina? Fuck yeah kat support bro. Can't mid/top, go bot and press Q over and over. high skill cap much wow.

nunu? Nunu bot always viable as long as his true damage Q still does 1k max rank. Turret dive plz

Alistar? If you enjoy being oom for half the game I guess or you're like me and just buy mobility boots first and then go gank top/mid at level 2/3/4/5/6/7/8/never leave your lane please give me gold.

EleshakaiMar 10, 20151 votes

Top 3% is still low enough that you can play whatever you want provided you play it well.

It's not until challenger in solo queue, or around the D1/Master level in 5s, that you have to start really taking into account fotm.

Isn't there still that guy who plays teemo ONLY and plays him in every role who is like d1? Or did he stop playing? I know he was still there in S4...

Oh, and half your examples are wrong. Alistar is still perfectly viable in the right comp, look at aphro's success in lcs with him. Leblanc is a strong pick, but she's definitely not unstoppable. "Renekton Bar" doesn't apply if Renekton stops being a good pick. etc.

And even jungle has seen a lot of champ changes... hell in the next patch we're likely to see tanks start to make a resurgence. It's already happening a bit with champs like Sej seeing pro play. Things change from patch to patch all the time. If nothing changes in the jungle... where're Elise and Zac? Two of the top tier junglers from previous seasons...

You not paying close enough attention to what is viable does not mean that it has not changed.

Matthias9119Mar 9, 20155 votes

You really don't want to play "League of Turtling".

ImHerVoiceMar 9, 20152 votes

I played in season 1/season 2 when games were 38+ minutes on average

I think I handle the game lasting past the 15 minute mark because league of assassins/Adc's got a double kill at first dragon.

RogueWillMar 9, 20152 votes

I play season 2 low elo, around 80% of my games would surpass the 1h mark. They were really long games

ImHerVoiceMar 9, 20152 votes

doesn't change the average honestly it was literally under 40 minutes for average.

AMYS GRAVEMar 9, 20151 votes

Yeah, at least with league of warmogs if you died it was obviously your fault. An assassin jumps on you under turret and kills you before you can respond, its just your fault for existing. Welcome to league of assassins.

KazaashiMar 9, 20154 votes

I remember the turtling of season 1 and 2. CLG EU stalling games out until 60+ minutes and most games turning into farm fests for the first 30 mins.

The Turret changes are pretty nice. Turrets are supposed to be vulnerable late game, so that a team that was unable to get ahead in gold early can use map control to possibly turn a game around.

DarthSpectrumMar 9, 20151 votes

The aversion against stalling the game is understandable; however, at this point most bruisers/ADCs can 1 v 1 a turret at 30 minutes.

Turrets are far too weak. They do 1/16 the health bar of a tank per hit, and they get 100-0'd by ADCs with half a minion wave. Given their current states, buffing turrents will not exactly encourage turtling, since they will likely still be underpowered.

JelubiMar 9, 20151 votes

Its not about wanting games to last longer, the problem is that by the time certain champs build up 3 items, they essentially make turrets useless. I understand that a front line tank should be able to control turret aggro for their team but that should only be the case for a handful of seconds. You know its bad when even a bruiser or not fully tank champion like Jax Riven Udyr is buying the enemy team infinite time under a tower of yours.

From what I learned it was called "making plays" under a turret. But by the 30 minute mark it isn't really a play if the enemy has enough time to screw up the dive 3 times under your turret and then just beat you down anyways just because they had a champion with a item 3143 and item 3102 built.

Turrets damage scaling needs to be tweaked so that a "Turret Dive" is a precise play where the enemy dives under your turret and if done cleanly and coordinated they can pick up a kill. Instead what we have right now is a Turret dive where the enemy Lee Sin can miss his Q under turret, the enemy Ahri can miss both her Q and E under turret and the enemy Morgana can miss her Q. And they will still manage to pick up an easy kill because Lee Sin probably had item 3143 built.

It doesn't need to be made completely impossible to Dive but a tank should buy some time under turrets, a bruiser should have a little survivability under a turret and anyone else should have to be worried about turret damage if they screw up the engage.

But even for champions like Katarina its like turrets no longer exist once once I pick up a item 3151

ImHerVoiceMar 9, 20151 votes

These downvotes lol :^) Sorry I actually put forth ideas that can be thought about and discussed ;]

SirsirMar 10, 20151 votes

As if thats actually what you are doing. You claim to have played since S1/S2 yet your level 25. You attack anyone who disagrees with you. Your trying to start a circlejerk and its not working.

EloHellDotNetMar 9, 20151 votes

I kinda agree, they should at least make the nexus turrets something fierce they should target up to 2 targets at once its way to easy to siege with super minions and baron buff...

EleshakaiMar 9, 20151 votes

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I kinda agree, they should at least make the nexus turrets something fierce they should target up to 2 targets at once its way to easy to siege with super minions and baron buff...

If you have both super minions and baron buff it's SUPPOSED to be easy. That basically means you've won, you just need to finish.