Why are auto target spells hitting harder than skill shots...

konel152·Sep 27, 2015·1 votes·763 views

If I am playing ez and landing skill shots or any skill shot champ, I think it is fair to say the dmg is not what it should be for being a "skill shot" when nunu can come in with his auto target e.... and take half my life. Malph is another with an auto target spell that just op. I do not think auto targeting spells should be doing more dmg than a skill shot. what is the reward in landing a skill shot if the dmg isn't on par with an auto target????

12 Comments

TurquoiseYoshiSep 27, 20152 votes

Ez has very spammable spells (especially his Q) that can be used many times in succession if you hit them correctly. He gets enough benefits from hitting his spells.

If you're letting a (full AP if you're taking that much damage) Nunu or Malph to get near you that easily without using your E to get away, you need to think about your choices.

Ezreal has resources in some of his spells. Malph and Nunu have resources in different spells. For example, Nunu's Q is completely useless in a fight. Therefore, his E is better to make up for his lack of power. Just as you can find examples of skillshots being more powerful than targeted spells, you can find examples of some 3 hit abilities being stronger than others, or certain stuns are easier to hit than certain slows.

konel152Sep 27, 20151 votes

nunu's "e" is crazy... and the cool down is pretty low and he is fast and can spam that on me. the dmg out put is to much on the auto target spells. I didn't mention nunu's q its doesn't even target champs.

TurquoiseYoshiSep 27, 20152 votes

So you're facing an AP Nunu and expecting not to get blown up by his E? What are you doing when the Nunu is running at you like an idiot? If you're playing Ezreal, you should have extremely good defenses, as you basically have a free Flash. And if you're still getting hit, you can get item 3139 to drop the slow and gain Move Speed to run away. Or buy item 3102 and block the spell.

Exactly. His Q doesn't target champs. Meaning that, in a fight, it's worthless. On the other hand, Ezreal has 3 damaging spells, one of which has a 3 second cooldown when maxed first and hit, not counting CDR, meaning that he would have far more damage. Nunu needs to not be worthless, so he has 2 extremely powerful damaging spells (E & R) and two relatively useless spells outside of the jungle (Q & W).

Unlucky Number7Sep 27, 20151 votes

yes Nunu and Malphite's point and click abilities are stronger then Exreal's skill shots but theirs is on a longer cool down. the formula goes something like this

damage = (difficulty to landmanacostcooldown)/(rangemissile speedCC applied)

or somewhere along those lines.

konel152Sep 27, 20151 votes

nunu's cool down on his e isn't that high.....

FredartSep 27, 20151 votes

Cause with skillshots you can fire beyond the normal rape range of target spells.

konel152Sep 27, 20151 votes

still there should be a reward for landing skill shot vs auto target spell

Unlucky Number7Sep 27, 20151 votes

woops forgot something.

damage = (lack of damage on other abilitiesdifficulty to landmanacostcooldown)/(missile speedCC applied)

AlienPrimateSep 27, 20151 votes

Nunu's E cost = 115 Nunu's base mana = 997 E uses = 8

Ezreal Q cost = 40 Ezreal base mana = 1077 Q uses = 26

Seems like Nunu's E doing more damage than Ezreal's Q is pretty balanced to me.

konel152Sep 27, 20151 votes

its not just about ez, its about any skill shot vs an auto target cast. if ez can multiple spam it or not he would have to land 3-4 in a row to get that dmg, unlike nunu or malph come in and auto u a couple times and push you out of lane or kill you, cool down on nunu isn't that long.... so I don't see the balance...

AlienPrimateSep 27, 20152 votes

The q range is more than double the E range so he can land 3 or 4 without ever being hit and if the Nunu in this scenario is the one building AP to do a stupid amount of damage 3 or 4 Q's from Ezreal should be plenty to make him back off.