Riot seems to be under the MISTAKEN IMPRESSION that that the community as a whole hates AFKs

IRyzeForNidalee·Nov 21, 2014·327 votes·35,786 views

If that were true, my teammates wouldn't tell me to AFK on a regular basis.

123 Comments

RiotRiot WhistNov 21, 2014176 votes

Well played bait.

iamthegoatofwarNov 21, 201415 votes

If you have time to comment things like this then you have time to answer questions. Why are you making leaver buster even more harsh without fixing its flaws 1st? The community would really like to know.

RiotRiot WhistNov 21, 201471 votes

Riot's a huge company. At the size we're at it's near impossible to have a deep understanding of anything going on aside from things directly affecting my own job.

Anything outside of animation I can not confidently provide any information on.

Jojos n MustardNov 21, 20143 votes

Hey on a matter of animation and texturing, the fizz retexture has a bug, when standing etc you can see the bounding box of the color muter at the end of his spear there's a hard line that moves as fizz's idle animation plays making the job look shoddy, and the end of his trident looks frosted, but with the frost moving up and down with a hard edge.

vscAlohaNov 21, 201415 votes

Riot is Cerberus from Mass Effect. Calling it now.

ChimeiTekinaNasuNov 22, 20145 votes

Riot is Cerberus from Mass Effect. Calling it now.

I don't think you'd want to be calling Cerberus here from Mass Effect...unless you're in control of it...

Tin TarantinoJan 12, 20153 votes

So Morello is Martin Sheen?

ExecutorDillJan 12, 20151 votes

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Riot's a huge company. At the size we're at it's near impossible to have a deep understanding of anything going on aside from things directly affecting my own job.

Anything outside of animation I can not confidently provide any information on.

Your I charge of animation? O.O Could you shed some like on Shen?

RiotRiot WhistJan 12, 20154 votes

In charge? Hah no, not at all. In fact I'm lowest on the totem pole in animation title-wise for a full time employee.

Luckily Riot's pretty flat and hires trustworthy people. I get to work on the same kind of stuff our senior's are and have just as much say in it as them.

As far as Shen, not really sure what you're asking about. In terms of his animations, yeah they're not good. Someday they'll get redone. Past that I don't really have much to say.

GG i4nJan 13, 20151 votes

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/2sakhq/riot_please_address_the_real_issues/ well then maybe you could send this to the person who does handle that aspect for me?

LarunnNov 21, 20143 votes

look the leaver buster is there for a reason 1 reason only.... to detect people that leave games (NO MATTER THE REASON) and "bust" a them the system doesn't have a flaw directly i mean the system does what he's programmed to do ban accounts with high lvl of leaves cause u might go afk because u got a bug splat but the system doesn't know that he just detects u went afk u left ur team and that caused them to have a difficult game maybe u left cause ur grandma heart pressure raised and u had to take her to the hospital (happened to me yesterday) but the system doesn't know yeah it's kind of "unfair" being suspended because of things u can't control (server issues,computer probs, emergencies) but riot can't go asking why u left to see if they pardon u believe me if someone had problems with the system been me i've been suspended more than 8 times because of different issues non of them me leaving a game because of rage but what can i do the rules are "if u leave too many games u WILL BE BANNED" no matter what. Thats my opinion and I really appreciate what riot does cuase even tho (lets be honest) they don't do it to make the whooole communit happy cause of the goodness of their heart they need money oo they need to make things more "enjoyable" for the players that actually support the game and when i say support i mean buy shit, but hey u got ur opinion i got mine but don't get me wrong I DO UNDERSTAND they still need to work on the "listening the whole community thing"

iamthegoatofwarNov 21, 20143 votes

Yha well the system doesn't detect when riot's servers are at fault is the main issue I have with it. I have a 1 gigabyte per second connection hardwired and half that on wifi. Over a month ago there was a massive bug with the servers and they to this day seem to refuse it was their fault and just let leaver buster run wild.

GavranNov 22, 20147 votes

Weird I've been playing since S2 and I've never been hit with a leaver buster ban no matter what state the servers are in.

Here's some advice for you choose the one that's applicable:

Stop blaming Riot for your leaving problems
Don't get all silly worked up against hypothetical situations that don't happen

NegasukiNov 22, 20147 votes

look the leaver buster is there for a reason 1 reason only.... to detect people that leave games (NO MATTER THE REASON) and "bust" a them the system doesn't have a flaw directly i mean the system does what he's programmed to do ban accounts with high lvl of leaves cause u might go afk because u got a bug splat but the system doesn't know that he just detects u went afk u left ur team and that caused them to have a difficult game maybe u left cause ur grandma heart pressure raised and u had to take her to the hospital (happened to me yesterday) but the system doesn't know yeah it's kind of "unfair" being suspended because of things u can't control (server issues,computer probs, emergencies) but riot can't go asking why u left to see if they pardon u believe me if someone had problems with the system been me i've been suspended more than 8 times because of different issues non of them me leaving a game because of rage but what can i do the rules are "if u leave too many games u WILL BE BANNED" no matter what. Thats my opinion and I really appreciate what riot does cuase even tho (lets be honest) they don't do it to make the whooole communit happy cause of the goodness of their heart they need money oo they need to make things more "enjoyable" for the players that actually support the game and when i say support i mean buy shit, but hey u got ur opinion i got mine but don't get me wrong I DO UNDERSTAND they still need to work on the "listening the whole community thing"

Run on sentences, or should I say sentence. Try not to use 'u' for 'you'. Finish a thought before moving onto the next one. Use capital letters when appropriate (ie, at the start of a new sentence) Breaking things into paragraphs would certainly help also.. Not to mention this forum has spell checking (squiggly lines under words..use them) My REAL point is 'tl;dr' with how this was written.

Not -trying- to troll, in this case it's just irresistible.

SlushieDeeFeb 27, 20151 votes

Maybe he was trying to write in stream-of-consciousness?

zerglin9000Nov 22, 20143 votes

Leaver buster as it was was a very loose system, that didn't catch a majority of afks that might have been punished. If they up the anty, they can hopefully instill fear in our hearts to prevent people from afking. Also, reinforcing it is the first step in revising. wink wink.

NegasukiNov 22, 20148 votes

Leave buster doesn't work.

The problem isn't people disconnecting from the game. This could be for any number of reasons such as internet disconnection or issues with riot servers, which does seem to actually happen, some days more than others.

The problem is however with people walking away multiple times from their computer for 5 minutes at a time, while in a match. Leave buster doesn't catch this.

LowvyrNov 22, 20142 votes

DCs. That's where my issues come from. Riot serves just suck most of the time. Sometimes my parents turn off my internet randomly without any warning, and what people say to me when I get banned for that is "Sucks. Move out." I'm not moving out. I'll be 16 in 2 weeks, so I don't think I could really make it on my own. Sophomores that move out and drop out generally don't live, I would assume. Leave Buster needs to be able to detect when someone really just closes the client of leaves, instead of their internet shutting off. It that happens, they shouldn't be punished, or at least not as bad. Or if the game crashes, which seems to happen to me a lot for some reason....

RiotmoonstonesNov 21, 201446 votes

The click bait is real. xD

themaddscientistNov 21, 201418 votes

I went into this thread expecting a rage or rant post. Needless to say I am pleasantly surprised. GG WP.

StompburgerNov 21, 201412 votes

lol

EthillectualNov 21, 201411 votes

I really dislike the changes to Leaverbuster in theory. We haven't seen them too much in practice yet, but I fear that by the time we do it will be too late.

That isn't to say I dislike their ideas for the 'low priority queue' that just increases the time you wait to get into games as an early form of punishment. This is a fairly nice tailored idea. By leaving games, you have to 'make up' the time by waiting longer in queue. That's great... and I think a very solid compromise - providing a punishment that fits the infraction, as it were.

But the issue I have is the impression it's going to create for people who have leaves that are beyond their control. Especially in ranked games where, according to Lyte, you can get punished after a single occurence.

I'm going to provide a few circumstances to consider... picture, if you will, three people who don't read updates about Player Behaviour systems and don't follow the PBE so thus have little to no info about the new leaverbuster. All three of them are ideal teammates. They're relatively decent players, they carry sometimes, they usually don't feed. They're nice, they communicate well and just generally have a good time with the game. They might even still have ribbons.

Person #1 joins ranked for the first time since the new patch. He'd played a few test custom games, and not had any issues. Then he loads into the ranked game and encounters a bug splat on the loading screen(new patches can cause this - not every bug gets caught afterall) that he can't get around. He's already frustrated spending ~20 minutes trying frantically to fix the issue only to find out that his team surrendered at 20 and he got marked as a leaver since he was never able to connect. Now, he goes to join a ranked game and gets informed, in addition to the loss, the leave, and his 20 minutes of frustration... he's now been placed in some special queue that means he has to wait 5 minutes before getting into a game.

Person #2 has been playing for ages without problems. He's literally never had a leave on his record. He's in the middle of a game, doing fairly well - his team is ahead but not enough to close the game quite yet, he's got a good score and is having a blast. Then someone drives into the power lines feeding his house, cutting off his power for several hours. He finally gets it back after an extremely frustrating 6 hours, and goes to play a game... only to find out that the power outage has not only caused him to lose a good game, caused him whatever other frustrations the power outage caused for him(up here it'd mean being freezingly cold for 6 hours, for example), but also caused Riot to deem him worthy of PUNISHMENT for this. For a power outage caused by some idiot driving into a pole?

Person #3 had intermittent internet for a while, so they opted out of playing. They'd gotten it fixed a few days back, but still didn't play for a couple days to make sure everything was stable. After a few days of no internet drops, they assume everything's good and decide to play a game... then suddenly, the internet problem they'd been working with their provider to fix returns and causes them to disconnect from the game. Already upset at the situation, they then find out that they have been punished for them.

How would you feel in any of these situations? Would you be inclined to be forgiving or understanding? I don't think most people would. They'd expect Riot to be at least a LITTLE bit forgiving of the fact that these issues happen sometimes and that they're unavoidable and not be throwing around punishments like they meant nothing. I wouldn't be surprised if some people were so upset it caused them to look elsewhere for a game to play.

And then there's the problem with Riot's servers frequently taking 30-60 minuts to detect that THEY are having problems... and while I do understand why this is the case and why loss forgiven isn't turned on immediately. But if we're going to be implementing a system that punishes on the first offense, we need to take this into account. The next time someone hacks your servers, or you have one of those sudden 'everyone dcs' issues, you're going to be giving out THOUSANDS of these 'leaver' bans if not more. And not one of them will have been due to anyone voluntarily leaving a game. Every single one will be completely 100% Riot's issue. That's not a good thing.

Yes, we get it, a person who dcs - regardless of cause - inconveniences from 3 to 9 other individuals(depending on how many people on your team are actually bothered by it and how many people on the enemy team aren't thrilled at the easy win). But there still needs to be some lenience built into the system. Perhaps the current system is too lenient(I'm not so sure about this but... I don't leave games, so I can't judge)... but this new system is far too aggressive, it's downright unfriendly to the average player. I suspect that, in the new system, most of the people punished will end up having no say in whether they were punished or not - it'll be due to almost entirely issues outside of their control. I don't think the number of voluntary leavers is as high as people like to think but I have no statistical data to back this up.

As I've said elsewhere, if I ever get a 'leaver' penalty due to an issue I had 0 control over - like the three hypotheticals I mentioned above - Riot is losing me as a customer. I think there are others who may react the same way, although possibly without the same conviction.

Edit: TLDR? Read the title, that's the TLDR.

It Hertz When IPNov 21, 20144 votes

So bring back the Tribunal. If someone's ragequit once, odds are he's done it before, and the Tribunal would catch that, whereas anyone looking at chat logs/player stats could clearly notice someone who isn't playing badly and clearly isn't involved in an argument suddenly DCing out of nowhere.

EleshakaiNov 21, 20149 votes

lol that's funny.

Taking the topic seriously... I don't really care about leavers/afks... they don't interfere with me at all. I'll still report them because it is against the ToU, but they don't interfere with me becoming a better player, and I can always win the next game.

WheatloafNov 21, 20148 votes

I'm against them more in ranked than in normals. If they're trying to climb the ladder, then they should really manage their time better, because going AFK hurts their standing at least as much as it hurts their team's. I won't rage about it, because there's no way for me to know what came up to cause them to leave. I'll hold out as best I can and hope they come back. It'd just be nice to limit AFKs to people who actually had some form of emergency/parents-not-understanding-you-can't-pause situation.

MonteQQNov 21, 20146 votes

LMAO!! If they honestly tell you that, i'll gladly help you with builds / plays / positioning :D Feel free to add me in game. Same name :D

D8zq2hRox9Nov 21, 20141 votes

if he's bad enough that going afk will help his team more than harm it, no amount of teaching will change him.

Rock RockburghNov 21, 201411 votes

People telling him to AFK doesn't mean they'll benefit if he AFKs.

LozierNov 21, 20143 votes

Actually, that's not entirely true.. We've had a bad Vayne one game and the whole team agreed for her to leave since she was holding us back. In the end we did win without Vayne who was about 5 kills to 20 deaths.

Rock RockburghNov 21, 20143 votes

Exactly; it's not entirely true. Sure, there are some situations where having an ally go AFK will help, but in the vast majority of cases it's an overreaction.

LozierNov 21, 20143 votes

Thank you for understanding because most likely I'm going to get all hate replies saying that I'm an asshole for telling that Vayne to go afk. BUT YOU GOTTA DO WHAT YOU GOTTA DO TO WIN THE GAME, EVEN IF IT MEANS SACRIFICING FOR THE GREATER GOOD!! huehuehue

serpensortia1Nov 21, 20144 votes

This is such a bad attitude. If the people telling someone to afk would instead try to help him become better, maybe he could do something good for the team and learn how to be better next game. One game is a very short time, and he won't become a pro in that time, but if people would help him in games, then if the advice is accepted he will improve and start to carry his games.

King SivrajNov 21, 20143 votes

The times i have tried politely helping people understand the game better have led to me getting reported for abuse. Sometimes you are better off without them lol.

CozarkianNov 21, 20145 votes

You know, it could be because he is a troll that attempts to help the enemies, or because he is really obnoxious in chat, not because he is bad.

Regardless, funny post.

RK N0vaNov 21, 20144 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3id-Fb8ooY

I lol'd thumb for you sir.

DeynaTaggerungNov 21, 20143 votes

Then this system is exactly what they want, once you afk enough you'll get banned and they won't have to deal with it in the first place. ;) It was a good line, I loled.

Jmonkey71Nov 21, 20143 votes

Gr8 b8 m8 I r8 8/8 no h8

My IGN SucksNov 21, 20143 votes

I r8 8/8 gr8 b8 m8

Fury and EmperorNov 22, 20143 votes

"GO PLAY TETRIS NOOB"

Alt-tabs, plays a few games of Tetris. Returns.

"REPORT HIM HE'S PLAYING TETRIS"

Cid HighwindNov 22, 20142 votes

I really don't like supporting a game that punishes me for my ISP's issues. Comcast's crappy service should not be the deciding factor on anyone's gaming experience, and well-meaning players shouldn't be getting caught in a policy that punishes them for something that is beyond their control. I return to my games as quickly as possible, and still get badgered by LeaverBuster's crap. It's really just Riot-sponsored malware.

Joey MontagueNov 22, 20141 votes

I really don't like supporting a game that punishes me for my ISP's issues. Comcast's crappy service should not be the deciding factor on anyone's gaming experience, and well-meaning players shouldn't be getting caught in a policy that punishes them for something that is beyond their control. I return to my games as quickly as possible, and still get badgered by LeaverBuster's crap. It's really just Riot-sponsored malware.

I guess you have to realize that Riot doesn't care about our ISPs. It's an eSport, not some children's game. If you don't have the equipment to play - don't play. That's the "message" LeaverBuster is trying to give. Riot Lyte has even said this in almost explicit terms in the LeaverBuster thread.

Do you want to play LoL? Then go upgrade your internet via an ISP that is actually competent to deliver lag-free, high-speed, continuous internet.

LiveYiOrDieHardNov 22, 20141 votes

I really don't like supporting a game that punishes me for my ISP's issues. Comcast's crappy service should not be the deciding factor on anyone's gaming experience, and well-meaning players shouldn't be getting caught in a policy that punishes them for something that is beyond their control. I return to my games as quickly as possible, and still get badgered by LeaverBuster's crap. It's really just Riot-sponsored malware.

I guess you have to realize that Riot doesn't care about our ISPs. It's an eSport, not some children's game. If you don't have the equipment to play - don't play. That's the "message" LeaverBuster is trying to give. Riot Lyte has even said this in almost explicit terms in the LeaverBuster thread.

Do you want to play LoL? Then go upgrade your internet via an ISP that is actually competent to deliver lag-free, high-speed, continuous internet.

This is the NA server. NA internet companies have legalized monopolies on their coverage areas thanks to our corrupt government. I have no other choice than to use comcast. Ever wonder how comcast stays in business with close to a 0% satisfaction rating?

Joey MontagueNov 23, 20141 votes

This is the NA server. NA internet companies have legalized monopolies on their coverage areas thanks to our corrupt government. I have no other choice than to use comcast. Ever wonder how comcast stays in business with close to a 0% satisfaction rating?

No? Comcast and Verizon are mutually available in many parts of NJ. In my state, ATT U-Verse is available along with other local ISP providers.

And I'm pretty sure, if you /really/ had no other options, Direct TV's uber expensive satellite internet would cover your area - as they cover all of the continental US.

LiveYiOrDieHardNov 23, 20142 votes

This is the NA server. NA internet companies have legalized monopolies on their coverage areas thanks to our corrupt government. I have no other choice than to use comcast. Ever wonder how comcast stays in business with close to a 0% satisfaction rating?

No? Comcast and Verizon are mutually available in many parts of NJ. In my state, ATT U-Verse is available along with other local ISP providers.

And I'm pretty sure, if you /really/ had no other options, Direct TV's uber expensive satellite internet would cover your area - as they cover all of the continental US.

Did you really just recommend satellite internet for gaming??????

/facepalm

Mistress MadokaNov 22, 20143 votes

It Might be an eSport, but it's also Just a game. The 2 terms are not mutually Exclusive.

Joey MontagueNov 23, 20142 votes

It Might be an eSport, but it's also Just a game. The 2 terms are not mutually Exclusive.

Well basketball is a game, but NBA and etc. are the big leagues. Unfortunately for you, there's only one place to play LoL, unlike basketball - so if Riot had to choose, they'd rather enact NBA-like tough standards for playing. And it's not even that hard - just get reliable internet service. You live in a 1st world country ffs. HOW HARD IS IT?

MunevaneNov 22, 20142 votes

in generally i think yes we do, if your being told to afk on a regular basis than your probably feeding all the time. thats the only real reason people say "just go afk" because its honestly easier to win a 4v5 than a 5v5 with 1 guy feeding the team like 15+kills because he plays dumb and doesn't listen to team advice. if your new in general or just with that champ and u announce that prior to game starting most people are more accepting of a somewhat negative score, as long as we see your trying your best. if you say your noob with champ but u just dive constantly because u think "oh i see people do this all the time and rekt" than thats not being noob with the champ but the game and is a stupid play are your part that has nothing to do with champion. there is a right time and wrong time to engage. your cant dive constantly or not back when we ping or push to far or w.e else feeders do. than blame your skill with champ. its not its u and bad decisions and we'd be better off without u feeding and not listening than with u

Mistress MadokaNov 22, 20142 votes

OP, You know what I do when someone tells me to AFK?

I don't.

It pisses them off even more. I still try to do my best and at that point I don't care how the game ends. Either way I'll be satisfied. If I lose, I get the satisfaction that the guy who was being a butt and telling me to AFK ALSO lost. If We win, Yay, I won. Cool.

Also, Awesome Clickbait. 10/10 made me kek

TerffNov 23, 20142 votes

I just think that one game with a leaver in it isn't going to ruin someones entire gaming experience, sure they wont be happy that round but they'll get over it.