Mundo Players Hate Him, Vladmir Mains Loathe Him. One Simple Trick To Beat Sustain Champs

King Odin··71 votes·5,369 views

*Grey Filter Trying to have fun but simply can't kill these champions? Swain Vladimir XinZhaoFiora Aatrox Darius DrMundo Illaoi Trundle Volibear Warwick Did Mundo just ult and 1v5 your team while healing all the damage back?

Did your team just blow everything on Volibear but before he could die he regenerated 1000000000000 health back per second then proceed to tear you in half?

Was Darius nearly nearly dead then one of his Q heal him for a 98320458308 health since he hit your entire team?

Does Illaoi simply exist in this world

Life in technicolor filter

Well if you said yes to any or (none) of the questions Then we have 1 simple soLucian that has always been around! item 3123 OR item 3033 Never seen these items before? Thought item 3036 was always a better? But why buy this when by buying item 3123 this you counter ADC's, item 3146 users and so much more! Don't be confused chappy, counter literally 100% of sustain champions kits such as Vladimir Warwick and so much more! Make Mundo's ult useless with the click of a mouse, make swain a walking bird man that actually CAN die! Make Volibear so much more bearable (may still rip you in half).

Don't leave it up to your midlaner to buy item 3165 which requires the enemy to have below 40% health and not to mention it costs 2100 gold more! Yes you heard me! 2100 GOLD MORE.

Buy now and win up to 30 ranked games FOR FREE! That's a 800$ product for the value of getting to Challenger! (Challenger sold separately)

It's your time to be the Viktor, it's a Garentee because Annie one can do it!

And on a serious note, yes (especially ADC's) this is a legitimate item you can rush early (After your first two core items) to counter sustain heavy champions. Only 800 gold and it builds into a core item for ADC's. Can't go wrong :)

79 Comments

My Waifu Vanilla16 votes

I was honestly expecting this to be a Varus thread since he is the only champion in the entire game (besides Katarina but that is on a channeled ultimate that is easy to interrupt) with Grievous Wounds still in his kit.

Spizzle90004 votes

Plus he's got Dark Star and that's just sexy

Jari4 votes

SHHHHHHHHH

Don't tell Riot, they'll remove it for hidden power.

Maneguster2 votes

They would never remove an item to hurt their precious AD Champs Vayne Zed

Jari2 votes

Not an item.

Try part of an ability. MissFortune

SHlTBUG2 votes

Akali Azir Fizz KassadinTristana Khazix Leblanc Lucian Talon Veigar Zed have also had entire parts of their abilities removed (not reworks with compensation, just removal)

dogownerjr1 votes

Forgot Mordekaiser

Jari1 votes

I was trying to make a joke that they removed MF's grievous wounds because it was hidden power, since the commenter mentioned that Varus still had it.

Quort1 votes

But... the ability feels so "meh" to use. It's a slow cast, it has a lame travel time, a small area, and deals a minuscule amount of damage!

Aids cuz League14 votes

What's sad is that Morello is 2100gold more than the same passive adc item with stats on it anyway.

Icy Spectre13 votes

More sad thing is morello passive works only on champs with >35% HP (didn't they change that?)

Supreme Senpai694 votes

If champions have enough sustain that you need to build an item for it, chances are they're not even going to get that low. It's pretty rough.

Baunjo2 votes

Do you know why riot designed it to only apply after 40%?

SHlTBUG4 votes

It's a kill pressure item, designed so that once you get someone low they stay low and you can finish them off.

The <35% thing specializes its purpose and allows it to be balanced around a smaller window of power (meaning its stats would be worse if it always applied grievous wounds)

King of Mongoose2 votes

2100 gold for 100ap, 400mana, 20% cdr

TheSlogs5 votes

2100 gold more - it costs 2900 total.

ZT Xperimentor10 votes

Meanwhile ignorant marksmen mains still complain 'sustain tanks are too strong', meanwhile they build; item 3153 item 3812 item 3072 item 3156 item 3139 & item 3031 (with masteries)

billxx4 votes

Jesus that's a lot of sustain

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

Not all at once mind you, but I'd bet you any given game that a marksmen has 2 of those items before full build. Allowing them to go from 10% to full health on a couple auto-attacks. That's not counting any of the extra passives any of those items have either.

morris11 votes

Actually Graves buys all of those maybe except for BotRK.

ZT Xperimentor2 votes

I'm not surprised at all.

Castanean6 votes

... I'm gonna find a champion this build works on.

It's probably gonna be Graves.

SHlTBUG5 votes

aatrox, until you get oneshot because you don't have any tankiness

Tokogawaruf3 votes

But when you reach that one minion you regen like your whole HP back.

spavined3 votes

if you replace ie with hydra or boots this build is fine on fiora

Hyrum Graff2 votes

{quoted}

... I'm gonna find a champion this build works on.

It's probably gonna be Graves.

I built item 3153 item 3156 item 3139 item 3190 on ashe top

Blue Moon Wolf9 votes

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We have a special offer, just for you. Purchase item 3033 now and receive an extra 10 AD, FREE. that's grand total of 50 AD, plus the 45% bonus armor penetration, for no extra cost. That is the same amount of AD you'd get for item 3071 yours free, with purchase.

Red Wreckage6 votes

Sadly in my games, I feel like I'm the only one who is aware of existence of this item. I've never seen any of my ADCs build it whenever there is any of those rapid healing champions in enemy team.
But wait. Most ADCs in my team can't even cs and are too busy feeding. I should understand their own plights.

l Helios l2 votes

^ this. Every single game lately. I told an ADC to build an executioner's since we were vs both a Swain and Vladimir. Said BT was more important and proceeded to die constantly. He was doing that already but still. Several fights were determined by Swain just healing enough to survive.

SHlTBUG1 votes

crit ADCs like jinx don't like it because if you are going crit you are really weak until your 2-3 item powerspike and you need to hit that ASAP, spending 800g on an item delays it a lot so even though it is extremely effective it feels terrible to buy and then just sit on until your 6th item upgrade

It Hertz When IP1 votes

It's an interesting Catch-22 item. ADCs are the ones who would benefit the most from stats, but ADCs (from what I've seen) are the players most likely to let their team die rather than change their itemization. item 3123 might not directly contribute to the Crit powerspke, but it makes sustain champs substantially easier to take down. Maybe YOU won't get the kill, but someone on your team will. Remember, self buffs may only help you, but debuffing an enemy benefits the whole team.

Project omen5 votes

Remember when MissFortune used to inflict grievous wounds with her W active? Pepperidge farm remembers.

elon wątroba1 votes

Tristana

SHlTBUG5 votes

Fizz

CasterGilgamesh4 votes

but fizz can go burn in a fire

SHlTBUG1 votes

but hes all wet and moist so he wouldnt catch on fire

ZT Xperimentor1 votes

Draven did too on his release, it was just his passive.

iCLA3 votes

It says hre that item 3123 inflicts "grievous wound." what exactly is grievous wound?"

SHlTBUG2 votes

all healing effects (regen, heals, etc.) reduced by 40%

Naluana3 votes

There was a similar post somewhere, from a Soraka perspective, when enemy Vayne rushed item 3123 . The lane was pretty rough for Soraka as she was only healing for half the normal value. But at the same time Vayne simply didn't have enough damage to kill anything due to rushing item 3123 so they eventually lost despite having early pressure on Soraka's lane. This just shows it can be difficult to balance healing.

kile1473 votes

That's kind of a bad example, because Vayne doesn't actually benefit from that item a lot early game. Vayne has no poke at all, meaning that the only time that she's going to be applying GW is when she is going all in, and while cutting healing will certainly help, more damage would probably help Vayne more.

A better example would be Caitlin taking executioners, because her constant poke also applying GW would make Soraka's sustain weaker instead of just reducing her burst heals. This is why I take executioners on Gnar when I go against Vlad/Mundo/Swain because with a champion that can actually harass you can keep GW permanently applied.

ayNigerianPrince1 votes

Nah you are :^)

SHlTBUG3 votes

you really showed him

Habitz2 votes

Sigh people don't understand morello is not enough. They think well if I just buy more damage I can kill them faster than they heal anyway. No because their adc killed you while you kept trying to "last hit" the swain.

Even better: An azir on my team bought executioner's sarcastically. Azir could've easily done morello in his early build, I don't even think azir's soldier proc exectioners.

Terozu2 votes

Or you could just buy a item 3153 (Blade of the Ruined King) and deal 6% of their current health per hit, which on say any hybrid ap ad champ, with a item 3165 also inflicting grievous wounds, you stop their regen while shredding them BECAUSE of their massive hp., This works especially well on champs like, Ashe Teemo Ekko Evelynn Karma KogMaw Kindred MasterYi MissFortune Nidalee Quinn Poppy Ziggs Vi Yasuo Zyra Viktor Thresh Tristana Vayne Varus Twitch Udyr TwistedFate Shaco Shen Malzahar Kennen Jayce Jax Fizz Elise Ezreal Akali, wait aren't tanks supposed to be hard to counter? They're rly not, the game has a straight up anti tank item. Stop complaining and counter build. And even if you have no ap need, morello's also brings 20% cdr on top of the grievous wounds., making it still viable on ad only characters! LIKE ANY ADC PERIOD. SO let's add... Caitlyn Draven Jinx Lucian to the list of tank counters. Not to mention, other tank champions help too! like... Olaf Nunu Mordekaiser Skarner Tryndamere Trundle Sion TahmKench Yorick Zac Warwick Volibear Vladimir Alistar Aatrox Blitzcrank Braum Chogath Darius DrMundo Garen Galio Gragas Illaoi JarvanIV Nautilus Nasus Pantheon Sejuani, srsly any of these champs are capable of countering tanks, if you build them the right way, stop being stubborn about your builds then complaining about op shit....

It Hertz When IP1 votes

Uh, I don't know how much of the original post you actually read, but this isn't about tanks in general, this is about sustain champs, specifically Vlad, Swain, and Aatrox. Even though most sustain champs do build kinda tanky, this is about specifically countering the sustain. Oh, and in case you forgot, item 3033 doesn't have any lifesteal in it, meaning you can build that AND item 3153 at the same time.

Rand0mH3r0X1 votes

Stop this, Riot is going to get rid of grievous wounds or nerf into the ground.

Pope Glitterhoof2 votes

One reason they reverted Grievous Wounds was because of Soraka. So no, they aren't going to nerf Grievous Wounds.

The only things that can possibly get rid of Grievous Wounds are the removals of Soraka and Vladimir (Yes they hate Vladimir as well. Some Rioters openly stated their hate for Vladimir).

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