I have had bigger losing sprees recently like the MMR has a grudge against me. When I go to team builder I check everyone on my teams match history... they have at least 10 defeats in a row. Reque same thing reque same thing reque same thing reque same thing reque same thing reque same thing reque same thing reque same thing reque same thing reque same thing. Ive already lost alot dafuq I dont want to lose more.
Maybe I shuld play a game without a stupid forced MMR
Markus Kruber2 votesThe more I learn about the League of legends MMR the more I want to play Dota2
Jubbinaut3 votesYou realize DotA2 uses an extremely similar system, right? I mean, pretty much every pvp game that includes matchmaking uses some variant of the Elo system.
Blade BathoriXI2 votesI tried dota2 and the community there is even more egotistical than leagues
Markus Kruber1 votesI never said anything about elo I was talking about the forced wins and losses
Kazaashi1 votesI never said anything about elo I was talking about the forced wins and losses
There is no such thing as "forced wins and losses". You are just projecting your dissatisfaction with your teammates onto the Matchmaking system.
Markus Kruber1 votesIf you actually spent the time to look it up you would know better
Kazaashi1 votesIf you actually spent the time to look it up you would know better
MMR is based on Elo. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system
MMR is basically your Wins vs. Losses and the order in which they were achieved. The system attempts to match your MMR against other people with similar MMR's in the hopes of giving you a 50% chance of winning the game.
That is all MMR is.
Markus Kruber1 votesRiot wouldnt publicly release something they want to hide
Jubbinaut1 votesI've never heard of the system "forcing" wins or losses. If you have some actual evidence to cite for that, please do. I'm quite curious.
Markus Kruber1 votesThis video applies not only to elo
Jubbinaut1 votesEDIT: I watched the video. Below the line is my initial post in its entirety. Above it, I'll post my response specifically to the video.
So the theory offered in this video is that Riot sometimes intentionally matches people with "bad" teams, to ensure they have a near 50/50 win rate. Which seems counterproductive, since the easiest way to manage a 50/50 win rate is to get players into the ranking appropriate for their overall skill level (and this system would actually delay or prevent that).
It also seems to be based on a single person's experiences - and a person who has little-to-no knowledge of statistical analysis, either. Or perhaps he's simply never heard of Occam's Razor. Either way, I wouldn't consider this a particularly trustworthy source of information.
I'll edit in a specific comment regarding the video later (I'm at work, and have no sound to hear it with), but I want to go ahead and register my skepticism.
There's no benefit to Riot "forcing" players to lose, or in any other way "enforcing" some arbitrary ranking. Without either solid evidence that they are doing it or an extremely convincing motive, I'm going to have a hard time accepting that idea.
Markus Kruber1 votesTo keep the famous league players in the high elos and the common folk in the low elos
Jubbinaut1 votesThat speaks to the goal, not the motive. The goal is what they're trying to do. The motive is why they seek that goal.
What does it benefit them to keep the same "famous" League players in high ranks? There's an obvious benefit to those players (higher ranking theoretically means more visibility), but they don't control the system - Riot does, and I don't see what Riot gets out of it.
Markus Kruber1 votesMaybe they are in league no pun intended with some larger companies to make some money
Jubbinaut1 votesSo Riot gets paid by sponsors to keep their people in position? That seems... wasteful, since they're already paying the players they're sponsoring.
So what do the sponsor companies get out of it?
Markus Kruber1 votesIdk Im not Noam Chomsky. But my guess is youtube gets more views gets more money some of that goes to riot then riot also pays some of that money to sponsors and they make more videos
Jubbinaut1 votesWhy would Riot pay sponsors? That's silly. Sponsors are people who use athletes as mobile billboards. Riot giving them money would be a waste.
I mean, YouTube views are good for the sponsors - that's advertising at work. But Riot gets funds from players spending money on their stuff. And while those videos may be influential to some players, they have no real reason to care who makes them.
There's nothing Riot gains from keeping one player at the top compared to some other. And no significant way for them to have made the decisions about who to put at the top in the first place.
Markus Kruber1 votes"So Riot gets paid by sponsors to keep their people in position? That seems... wasteful, since they're already paying the players they're sponsoring.
So what do the sponsor companies get out of it?"
Bold italics from what u said is where I got the sponsering but I get that paying them is silly
Jubbinaut1 votesWhile I appreciate you reminding me of my own post, it was unnecessary. My reference to sponsorship was based on your own post regarding "larger companies."
But if we're abandoning that, we're forced to return to the earlier question:
What does it benefit Riot to keep the same "famous" League players in high ranks?
Markus Kruber1 votesWhile I was getting to sleep last night I remembered something important about life and people. No matter what you do or how hard you try you cannot force someone to believe you even when the evidence is clearly there so I won't try to convince you anymore or anyone.
Jubbinaut1 votesWhile I was getting to sleep last night I remembered something important about life and people. No matter what you do or how hard you try you cannot force someone to believe you even when the evidence is clearly there so I won't try to convince you anymore or anyone.
Oh, I'm easy to convince, really. All it takes is a well-developed argument that can withstand the fairly mild criticism I'm capable of, and is supported by some solid, actual evidence. Which means repeating the same argument over and over again, without having answers to the most basic of critical questions and providing exactly no data isn't going to work.
Markus Kruber1 votesPLease stop trying to continue the argument
Jubbinaut1 votesI'm not. Note that that post held no claims regarding our debate. I'm simply pointing out that despite your assumptions, I'm actually very open-minded. Whether that's meaningful to you in any sense, or whether the debate itself continues from there, is entirely up to you.
EL HAMSTERO1 votesunfortunately all games seem to be going to an mmr system. they have decided protecting bad players from good players is the way to go.
I hate matchmaking. I Hate a system that is rigged to only allow me to win half my games no matter how good I am.
Jubbinaut2 votesBut... MMR is just Elo with a fresh coat of paint.
And, honestly, even with a pure Elo system, you're only going to be winning about half your games anyway - that indicates your "stable" point on an Elo ladder, within a relatively small range of points.
habasi1 votesi have a lot of these streaks. and when i do, i tend to get some of the worst, most vile players, i think, in existence. players, that in champion select, call me "nigger", "faggot", and "cunt", all for calling out my preferred role, LITERALLY! i have proof, and of course, i've sent them to riot support. all of this, is why i believe what is said in athene's video. http://i.imgur.com/agwXrY1.png?1
Markus Kruber1 votesSomething to add.
There's a reason every champion has a win percentage of around 50%, and its the forced MMR
