If I, your support.......

Borkahn·May 2, 2015·1 votes·461 views

.........have a higher Attack Speed than you, my adc, you might just be building wrong. Especially if I don't have any items to boost my Attack Speed. I can understand going first. That's typical. What I don't understand is then going and even still further building after that. I don't know how this would have continued because our was godlike when and I ----->, , initiated and peeled for him but damn. How in the world does a end up with a lower AS then ? Isn't that like impossible? And Why would you go without , , or .

Racking my brain i cannot come up with an answer so can someone please enlighten me?

18 Comments

GodhriMay 2, 20152 votes

Have you maybe considered he's going for a bursty ADC build? When people think ADC, they tend to think high sustained damage, but it can be viable to go with a high bursty damage build as ADC as well. It works decently on Lucian.

BorkahnMay 2, 20151 votes

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Have you maybe considered he's going for a bursty ADC build? When people think ADC, they tend to think high sustained damage, but it can be viable to go with a high bursty damage build as ADC as well. It works decently on Lucian.

Even so. Lack of crits. Doesn't help he was focusing the tank while everyone else was focusing the Draven and Ahri

Edit: 25% crits isn't really enough imo if you want to have high burst. I build all my adcs with like somewhere between 60-75% crits (exact number unknown sorry) Just because hitting 1k hits more often than just like 400 or something is both pleasing and can actually be the difference in a fight

Ice Weasel XMay 2, 20151 votes

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Even so. Lack of crits. Doesn't help he was focusing the tank while everyone else was focusing the and

If he had to get past the tank to reach the damage dealers, focusing the tank is the right thing to do. ADCs are generally the ones built for getting through their defensive stats.

BorkahnMay 2, 20151 votes

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If he had to get past the tank to reach the damage dealers, focusing the tank is the right thing to do. ADCs are generally the ones built for getting through their defensive stats.

No armor pen and the volibear had thornmail. That is a losing fight for almost any adc at that point, in addition, if you look to what i said earlier, the volibear came from a completely different direction. As in fight was started and Voli hadn't reached us yet.

Sightless66May 2, 20151 votes

"Focusing the tank" is such a loaded phrase. Hitting the tank is oftentimes the only option for an ADC. If I'm being chased by a Sejuani, I can't walk past her to try to hit the squishes. I have to stay alive, and then hit whatever I can while staying alive. If I'm running from a tank, I'm hitting that tank, and it's the right decision for me to do so. If that's leaving an opening for the rest of the team to jump their ADC, all the better.

Like, I can't say for sure he was making the right decision, but it tends to be the right decision more often than not.

BorkahnMay 2, 20151 votes

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"Focusing the tank" is such a loaded phrase. Hitting the tank is oftentimes the only option for an ADC. If I'm being chased by a Sejuani, I can't walk past her to try to hit the squishes. I have to stay alive, and then hit whatever I can while staying alive. If I'm running from a tank, I'm hitting that tank, and it's the right decision for me to do so. If that's leaving an opening for the rest of the team to jump their ADC, all the better.

Like, I can't say for sure he was making the right decision, but it tends to be the right decision more often than not.

I understand your point of view and I agree. Sometimes it is necessary. But when both of their carries are locked down and the volibear came in from another section and you can easily walk past us and still deal damage with your ult...I can't say that he was making the right choice at all. I have an active on my Randiuns that easily slows down volibear. Not to mention my e being riptide which also slows him...perhaps it is a failure of him realizing what i possess. But I digress, still does not explain not building AS for so long. Actually never building AS. At least BOTRK would have been nice given the amount of tanks on both sides.

GodhriMay 2, 20151 votes

the thing about building bursty instead of sustained damage is that you don't rely as much on crits. Sure Crits still are pretty important but the idea is to stack raw damage and armor penetration(if necessary) in order to deal higher damage with your abilities.

BorkahnMay 2, 20151 votes

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the thing about building bursty instead of sustained damage is that you don't rely as much on crits. Sure Crits still are pretty important but the idea is to stack raw damage and armor penetration(if necessary) in order to deal higher damage with your abilities.

Crits give 2.5 to 1 on attacking if using Infinity Edge correct? So between stacking raw damage of like 500 with rarely ever criting compared to 400 damage with a high crit. I still think the crits would win out in a fight. I don't kill tanks as Vayne because of high damage, I kill them because I crit plus armor pen.

GodhriMay 2, 20151 votes

I don't see why you would build burst on a vayne anyway. It's really a build that only works with caster type adcs.

disregardableMay 2, 20151 votes

His passive. It's a bursty build path. Use all of your abilities+your passive and profit.

BorkahnMay 2, 20151 votes

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His passive. It's a bursty build path. Use all of your abilities+your passive and profit.

I am a Sivir and i just blocked one of your abilities. Or I am Vayne and i dodged another. Or I am Draven ( the adc in the game who was more fed than him.) and I just knock you away while continually hitting you and oh by the way you didn't move out of the way of my ult despite having a dodge in your kit. I'm still not seeing where not only the AS would help him here but also the Crits.

Ice Weasel XMay 2, 20151 votes

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.........have a higher Attack Speed than you, my adc, you might just be building wrong. Especially if I don't have any items to boost my Attack Speed. I can understand going first. That's typical. What I don't understand is then going and even still further building after that. I don't know how this would have continued because our was godlike when and I ----->, , initiated and peeled for him but damn. How in the world does a end up with a lower AS then ? Isn't that like impossible? And Why would you go without , , or .

Racking my brain i cannot come up with an answer so can someone please enlighten me?

Low MMR. You're playing with people who haven't mastered the game. op.gg estimates that game's average MMR as less than 1000.

Also, two of your enemies had 170+ bonus armor, one of which was sporting a Thornmail. He probably built the BT to mitigate the Thornmail problem, and was starting a Last Whisper as an "oh shit" response to the armor stacks. Not ideal, but he might have actually been trying to build reactively.

BorkahnMay 2, 20151 votes

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Low MMR. You're playing with people who haven't mastered the game. op.gg estimates that game's average MMR as less than 1000.

The guy also said he doesn't adc much after he said adc pref....so he might have been some type of troll i guess? And not sure why I am getting downvoted. It is a legitimate question.

Ice Weasel XMay 2, 20151 votes

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The guy also said he doesn't adc much after he said adc pref....so he might have been some type of troll i guess? And not sure why I am getting downvoted. It is a legitimate question.

You don't have to be a troll to be inexperienced. Don't get the two concepts confused.

BorkahnMay 2, 20151 votes

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You don't have to be a troll to be inexperienced. Don't get the two concepts confused.

So my further question would be.....why go into a ranked game and say adc pref, and then after all champs are picked, say that you rarely adc?

Sightless66May 2, 20151 votes

He wants to play ADC, but he's also telling you guys that he doesn't do it that often so you can change your play around that. You could argue that he maybe shouldn't share that information, but I see what he's trying to do.

BorkahnMay 2, 20151 votes

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He wants to play ADC, but he's also telling you guys that he doesn't do it that often so you can change your play around that. You could argue that he maybe shouldn't share that information, but I see what he's trying to do.

I might have been ok with it if he said it in champ select. But it was basically, picked champ. got into game. I locked down both Sona and draven for easy kills and we both die, and then he tells me. It's way too late to say something like that.