Why did i lose this match? (Based off stats and builds/cs/etc)

ShuffledPancake··1 votes·1,026 views

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Laughing Fish6 votes

I would assume you lost because your Nexus was destroyed.

Karlyr2 votes

Because he keeps thinking this is a solo game. It's not about KDA, it's about objectives and teamplay.

If you can't peel your ADC, you will most likely lose the fight. Regardless of if you live or die.

This game isn't COD. You can win a game with a 1/10/7 score if you played the objectives properly and played around the strengths of the enemy team.

ShuffledPancake1 votes

I only got that score from farming, getting my items peeling (trying) and trying to kill them before my adcs died.. sick of your shit with how im all about kda, i said why did i lose BUILD CS AND ETC

Karlyr1 votes

And I'll say exactly the same thing. This is a team game. This isn't all about yourself. It will happen that you'll lose game due to the "unfairness" of matchmaking. Everyone has bad games. Keep playing. This is 1 single game.

This game isn't all about builds, cs and etc.

If you want a game like this, there's COD.

ShuffledPancake1 votes

If you have a bad build (Like above) no cs and don't co operate then it is cod. I was asking how ---I--- could improve my build and lower my deaths.. stop acting like im saying IM GODLY and how I AM A COD FGT What you're are saying is i shouldn't care about dying and i shouldn't cs and i shouldn't try win lane BECAUSE THAT IS COD LIKE.

ArcticWolf244 votes

u have banner zzrot that's why

GundayMonday2 votes

Singed build is solid. Nothing wrong there.

disregardable2 votes

Well for one, you took a thornmail into a team that did almost all magic damage. You also seem to have AFK farmed but not gotten any towers for it.

A Miss Fortune2 votes

I bet you can tell how I won this game.

arc951 votes

4 adc's vs 4 thormails

A Miss Fortune1 votes

5 thornmails*

To be honest I've bough just straight Thornmails on Leona before and still won the game.

#BuffThornmail2k15

But yeah, our Top, Jungle, Mid, ADC, and Support all had thornmails.

Karlyr1 votes

People were complaining in 2014 about thornamil being underpowered. (They never changed it by the way.)

Meta comes and goes. So does items and flavor picks.

#PerfectImbalance.

A Miss Fortune1 votes

i love you

arc951 votes

no my match had only 4 item 3075's

Phife1 votes

you're team died like 20~ times each?

bingo?

ShuffledPancake1 votes

Well i kinda know why we lost but i meant why did I lose and not carry.

Angry Monster1 votes

that is simple your build is trash. Any one that tells you otherwise gets their builds from mobafire.

ShuffledPancake2 votes

As i said, now tell me what should of been replaced, in a calm non man child way.

Angry Monster2 votes

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u have banner zzrot that's why

You are not going to agree but what ever. 0 mana on build on a champ that has mana to health passive. 4 auto attack style champs and you do not have froze heart. Could could be reducing DPS for even the teemo and azir.

Your team will never be able to 4v1 split push and you take a terrible split push build. Your group combat effectiveness is hurt cause of your choices. You may be picking up kills but your team is not able to work with you.

ShuffledPancake3 votes

Replacements then?

ShuffledPancake3 votes

cheers, i was looking for something like this not Fucking noob build scrub Can you link me to a norm game build (Doesnt matter who vs)

Phife1 votes

You didn't build to carry, you built to be an annoying split push.

get A.) more ap

B.) more tanky

C.) teamfights

ShuffledPancake2 votes

I went tank since other tanks were feeding ;-; but ty

GundayMonday1 votes

Probably decision making versus build stuff. Do you have the match history link?

GundayMonday1 votes

Ah, that makes more sense.

Team comp is the first thing. Your late game comp has more damage late game (two ADCs with thresh/udyr for peel, Singed). Problem is, you let the enemy team use their early and mid game strengths to get ahead. Look at the gold over time and towers taken. They had WAY more towers than you halfway through the game. That gives Rengar a lot of opportunities to pressure both varus and vayne since he can (and did a few times) blow them up with his ultimate. Azir, Teemo, and Cassiopia made it so Udyr was pretty worthless (just from their kits - shrooms, kiting, wall of shields). So to win, you needed to let your two ADCs farm, and safely keep the towers up. Looks like that didn't happen, the game got out of control, and the enemy team used Baron buffs to break into your base and make split pushing with Singed not an option.

Thoughts to improve (as singed):

Get more damage in your build. item 3151 > item 3157 since the magic pen makes your thornmail hit harder, and the enemy team had little magic resist. Look up InvertedComposer's singed guide if you want help optimizing your build.

Make more of an impact early-mid game when your team needs help. You have teleport. You were winning against the rengar. Shove your lane, and roam to snowball other lanes. Run bot through lane, have thresh lantern you in for a surprise gank. TP back to top lane after. Rinse and repeat this strategy until the other lanes are winning too.

summoner 6 > summoner 4. Yes Azir's ultimate will make it so you can't run on them. Ghost is still a better spell to have on Singed. Shorter cooldown, more utility. Plus, if you flash + E to fling someone, your team doesn't have enough burst to instantly blow them up.

Use your split pushing items on one side of the map, pressure the other. Banner of Command's promote minion is immune to magic damage. Don't send it into the lane that rengar is farming. Send it at the Cassiopia or the Azir or the Teemo. With zz'rot, you don't have to put the portal close to a tower to control a lane. You can put in on your own team's territory and the voidlings will allow your wave to stack up into a super wave over the next few minutes. Use this to pull someone from the enemy team top to deal with the 1287638197263 minions that stacked up. Even if your team is down in gold, you should still be able to win 5v4s.

At the end of the game, everyone had 6 items. The gold lead didn't matter. Decision making matters here. It looks like Rengar killed everyone on your team that does damage in the last fight. You needed to peel with thresh and udyr for the vayne and varus. When rengar jumps in, fling him away from your teammates. Save your fling for this. Use your upgraded red trinket to see him when he's invisible in his ultimate. Keep the damage alive on your team to win the fight. Especially since the enemy team did not have a late game scaling marksperson.

My $0.02. Would have to watch the game to give real input, but this is what I'm seeing from the match history. Hope that helps!

ShuffledPancake1 votes

I sent my Boc and zzrot on bot lane mainly (Since they tried to cheese botlane with the poison) But cheers

Dedrius1 votes

They have Cass, Azir, Rengar So I am guessing Rengar would blow up your Varus/Vayne and then Cass/Azir would rip through you team since you had no locket and you had banner which was probably used to split push rather than teamfight.

ShuffledPancake1 votes

teemo was a big problem for me (Movespeed boost) so i couldnt get him into my towers/tanks to get destroyed.. Azir fed so he wasnt a problem Id split push if we had 2 dead and the others werent being pushed in

Dedrius1 votes

It was lategame azir was basically full build so him feeding didn't really matter since he is a lategame scaling carry anyways.

Commit Sudoku1 votes

build makes 0 use of singed passive, better options 0/10

Righteous Glory Frozen Heart Rod of Ages

3 items that would give free HP because of Singed passive converting Mana to Health Frozen Heart particular would have helped against every champion except Cassiopea with AS Reduction Aura FH>Thornmail.

ZZ'Rot is pretty bad actually Spirit Visage would have been a better defensive item because it synergized with his HP Regen on his ult and all the Magic Damage. ZZ'Rot wouldn't actually stop pushes since everything ignores voidlings and they only attack Turrets so it would have to be moved everytime you got a tower because it is likely out of range of another.

Seraphs Embrace is a good item if you want Damage on singed since it gives him more HP because of his passive and more AP if you have Frozen Heart aswell (same if you had RoA or Glory).

ShuffledPancake2 votes

-_- if you read the rest of the post then you realise you are so original, anyway if you got a GOOD build i can use (Site)

Commit Sudoku1 votes

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-_- if you read the rest of the post then you realise you are so original, anyway if you got a GOOD build i can use (Site)

you generally wanna keep everything situational depending on the enemy team and what your allies need you should be building the same items every game. that being said you should just create a list of items that are useful on singed and then pick from those based on what the team needs from you and try and make the build synergize as much as possible as many items will compliment his kit and some items compliment eachother further.

Bemapon1 votes

Very good singed build item 3027 item 3027 item 3027 item 3027 item 3027 item 3027

But seriously a build that I found to work item 3027 item 3110 item 3003 item 3009 item 3709 Cinderhulk will give you so much hp thanks to your passive

ShuffledPancake1 votes

cheers

ShuffledPancake2 votes

Um zz rot spawnlings attack minions/waves but cheers

Mecha MaIphite1 votes

Just because you have a bunch of kills and not a lot of deaths doesn't mean you magically win. If that were the case, would half the enemy team not be asking themselves the same question?

Also, Thornmail is very questionable against a team where the only ADs are Volibear (a tank) and Rengar (who probably isn't going to focus a tank when he can delete a squishy).

ShuffledPancake1 votes

I never said I had so many kills and like no deaths i asked about my shit build.

Commit Sudoku1 votes

Core Item choices: item 3027 item 3800

Against AD Heavy Team item 3110 item 3143

Against AP Heavy Team item 3065 item 3102 item 3190

Offensive Options item 3040 item 3116 item 3151

Boot Options Situational item 3009 item 3047 item 3111

These are just items that go well on singed choosing the right ones really depends on the situation, its not like pick 1 item in each you may need to build both cores if you team has no magic damage or hard engage.

ShuffledPancake1 votes

Ok ty :D helps alot

Hell Week1 votes

Why did you loose.... let's see... league is a team based game and to me it looks like you're the only who did well. plus the enemy team had more objectives than you guys. lastly, 400cs? either the game lasted 1hour+ or you farmed quiet a bit top neglecting at least a couple of team fights.

ShuffledPancake1 votes

The match went for 56:56 minutes.. so yes it wen for basically an hour. i only farmed top (and proxied) to avoid rengar endlessly (mindlessly) pushing me..

Jubbinaut1 votes

Based purely on what you're showing, it looks like you were playing pretty selfishly.

Specifically, your ridiculously high farm is a concern, as it indicates that you were either split-pushing when you may have been needed elsewhere or you were preventing others from farming effectively while you were around them. The reason the latter is a problem is because it prevents gold from getting into the hands of players who are struggling to keep up.

Additionally, you seem to have taken a frankly excessive number of kills - while it's true that any kill is a good kill, and "ks" isn't really a thing, it is certainly positive to spread that gold around whenever possible. This is especially true when you're already outfarming basically everyone.

Finally, as has been mentioned already, your build doesn't complement your champion. I applaud the Rylai's, but you managed to completely miss out on synergizing with Singed's passive, which is a major part of what makes him so difficult to deal with effectively.

item 3040 and item 3027 are pretty core on him, because they offer everything he could want - mana to keep up Q, damage to make it matter, and lots of health, while item 3110 is probably the single best armor item for him.


Now, all of that said, it's important all around to note that you did not bear the sole fault for the loss. Your teammates seemed to be playing overaggressively, and gave up far more kills than they should have.

What's important, though, isn't what they did, as you're not especially likely to play with them again. What matters for your own improvement is what you did, and what you can learn from that.

ShuffledPancake1 votes

(Got farm from my lane and lanes that were pushed), those kills were only due to them not burst and just letting the poison take them, and kills on rengar) Cheers though

Jubbinaut1 votes

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(Got farm from my lane and lanes that were pushed)

Then, as I stated, you were either not with your team at key moments (in your lane), or taking farm that could have been better used on someone else (from pushed lanes). Where the farm came from doesn't much matter. The fact that it was focused so heavily on one player is the problem.

Consider that the entire point of the 1-1-1-2 meta is to spread as much gold as possible across the whole team. Then recognize that you had almost twice the farm of anyone else on your team. Some of that certainly lies on their own heads for missing cs they shouldn't have (and for dying more than they should), but not all of it.

those kills were only due to them not burst and just letting the poison take them, and kills on rengar)

I didn't say a word about why. I simply stated that it's better to spread kills around to your carries. Without the opportunity to actually see the game, the best I can figure is that your team had a really rough early game. By the time it reached mid, they were - overall - starved for gold. The only person keeping up was you. Helping them catch back up should have been a priority - you're stronger with a solid team.

Do I think you intended to take all those kills? Not really. Do I think it could have been avoided? Absolutely. It's something to recognize, that's all.

Cheers though

Honestly, there's not much to be gained from a single screenshot that bears only the smallest amount of information. Post the Match History link, and I can offer a more thorough picture.

ShuffledPancake1 votes

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http://matchhistory.oce.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/OC1/96142661/201165666?tab=overview

Alot of my cs wasnt me taking cs from others, proxying and pushing my lane - teamfights could have been avoided (I would be pushed with 2 - 3 waves at my t but they still want to teamfight.. making me let towers go down for their sake.

Jubbinaut1 votes

Yeah, indecisiveness and a lack of cohesion can ruin a team. Honestly, your comp didn't want to be teamfighting against theirs.

On the whole, you wanted to be spread out, pushing multiple lanes and forcing them to split up or lose turrets. Specifically, you and Udyr are very strong split-pushers, leaving the rest to roam around and make picks, hold back pushes with their significant waveclear, and generally compound the nuisance.

Overall, it looks like the loss can generally be attributed to a misuse of resources. Your team had the tools to manage a particular strategy, but didn't execute on it. Some games are like that.

ShuffledPancake1 votes

Yeah.. i chose to split push and tell my team to avoid teamfighting yet i cant enforce it without allies support ;-; cheers though.. Note:Post just got 200 views haha :D Alot of views on a bronzie post :P

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