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PvP and Chroma Packs

TransGirlyGamer··1 votes·429 views

I got the Chroma Pack for Lucian and gotta say I like what RIOT has done with the packs. Personnally, I think more could have been done seeing as only his jacket changes colors, but meh. Not complaining. What I did notice is that I'm unable to pick a Color when it comes to Team Builder. I hope Riot sees this portion and does a hotfix for this.

On to other things though. Looking for some guidance with Lucian.

Most of the "builds" I find for him say to use Quins of AS, I've found that using Armor Pen. instead increases my ability to score kills (early game). It may just be that it works better for me but wanted to find out. My build is also slighty different then most suggested builds. (Long Sword, 2x H.Pot, 1 M. Pot, and ward to start). Rush "The Brutalizer" for damage (Youmuu's Ghostblade can wait), Berserker Greaves ASAP, B.F. Sword for more damage then finish Infinity ASAP, Instead of building Shiv I go for Phantom Dancer BC I'm building Crit and I want it's passive of moving through units, AS is just a bonus, After these I go back and finish off Youmuu's (again I'm building Crit, the low damage on this item is why I build it after I have I.E.). These 4 items are my core build. At this point I'm criting every 2-3 hits for 600+ damage. Building to this is way expensive yes, but worth it. Last hits are very important xD.

Frankly, I find it silly everyone says not to go AS Lucian... but puts AS Quins in the rune build, along with 2-3 AS items. (Shiv, Berserker's, and a few had Ruined King)

Now I know alot of Lucian builds show Trinity Force and Guardian Angel. Yes I do suggest them but rarely get to use them myself... games are normally won/lost by the time I'm ready to start building these. I'll use The Butcher in Co-Op matches for fun (big damage), but not in PvP seeing as I'm not building Life Steal (Opinions on this item with Lucian???). Also, If I'm really mana starving him I'll build Tear of the Goddess towards Manamune... though I haven't done that since he launched.

Pretty much I'm looking for ideas on the last two items. Angel/Force are the two I'm leaning towards for survival ability. Ideas??

Simply, I'm looking for a Ranked Lucian Player to test my build and see if it's worth it (IOW, that either this build is solid or just because of my Lucian play style) in ranked matches. (I'm not ranked, still practicing with Lucian and others before I try again... lost my lane miserably... I was bot solo, ouch)

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Commit Sudoku1 votes

I use Sneaky's (LCS player for Cloud 9) build on Lucian, it pretty much carried me to plat.

item 3031 item 3087 item 3035, against multiple tanks item 3153 , against low armor enemies item 3072 and ofcourse boots and a defensive item for the rest.

He runs 9x AD Marks, 9x Armor Seals, 9x Flat MR Glyphs, 3x AS Quints I personally run the same thing except only 2x AS Quints and 1x AD Quint.

You should generally always start item 1055 item 2003

You shouldn't really rush item 3006 infact I usually walk around with item 1001 until my item 3035 is done. item 3035 should almost always be 3rd item on any adc and is core to all ADCs because Armor Pent is soooooo important.

For defensive items it should really depend on enemy team, if there is CC you really need to cleanse item 3139 , if you can't get hooked or poked at long range item 3102 , if you are just getting focused hard and you know your team won't abandon you after your angel animation starts item 3026 .

If you are going OOM you really should just be more efficient with your ability cast. Oh and the reason people say not to go AS on Lucian is because they want his double shot to deal as much as possible not his Culling. Double shot does more DPS than Culling through out the game.

In ranked with your build with item 3142 item 3031 item 3046 being your core this is really expensive and you will be doing low damage to tanks. Maybe in S4 meta this would be alright although it would probably be more like item 3078 item 3031 item 3142 but right now I don't think this is a strong build due to all the tanks running around ruining your day.

But you know that is just my item 3093 2 gold upon killing a unit. (ahh humor)

TransGirlyGamer1 votes

Keep that in mind about the CC items, Normally I go for Banshee item 3102 anyway cause I constantly forget about activating items. Need to work on that, another reason why I'm not ranked (still practicing). Against tanks... yep, I hardly hurt them. With Lucian's low health stats I do hit and run tactics, using "w" (90% hit rate with it, yes it doesn't do much damage... but damage is damage), "Q" if I can, and get in the double shot if I can. Till they are low on health then go for the kill. My biggest problem I'm finding is 1v2+ there's just 0% chance, I'm usually dead before I can do anything. (Last match was mostly due to the fact of freaking stuns, gaw all Game Companies need to put a ban on stuns, lol).

I'll have to think about Last Whisper, Youmuu's was my idea for replacement item. Stat wise I was thinking it's better... again I was keeping in mind Crit. other wise item 3035 is the better choice.... hmmmmmmm (cheaper too). I really think they only reason I use Youmuu's now is cause I use to get item 3093 for the extra gold generation. Ugh, have to try a couple matches with item 3035 again.

BTW was way wrong on the damage from crits... between 750-810 once those 4 are built.

As for the Starter items... personal preference. I'd rather have 2x H.Pots and a 1 Mana Pot. I found I can stay in lane longer with that set then with the suggested starter items, in both PvE and PvP. (Though I do use that setup in PvE when I'm testing myself... I don't buy anything else unless I die... think my personal best doing that was 10min in 5 Ks and 1 D). I'll give it another try, see how I do.

Ok... Armor Pen is so important... why AS Quins???????????????????????? I'm not getting why you don't build AS but have AS Quins. All the other runes are they same btw and it's the same rune build I use on Jinx. As for Shiv VS Phantom... Only reason I see to get Shiv is it's cheaper, by only 300 gold. Hmmmmmmmmmm... 100MD... x 250%... 250MD. however... 40% crit (item 3031, item 3087, item 3035 ) vs 70% crit(item 3046, item 3142, item 3031) .

Grrrrr... numbers... did some calculations here's what I found. that build vs my trial build. 100 basic hits land (then take that and split it up based on crit chance 40 hits crit vs 70 hits crit) that build only does around 24,000 damage... mine does 30,250... without Armor and Armor penetration taken into account or the extra damage Shiv MIGHT apply. (I'm not an expert on doing this kind of calculation, but it's fairly simple...) Ugh, sry but the numbers just keep screaming in my head, that the Ranked build just isn't worth it except in the fact that it's cheap. And that Last whisper only is worth it if you are fighting a tank with more than 200 armor, which is rare(ish). (20 armor, Youmuu's -20 makes it 0 armor, LW makes 35% makes it 13 armor). 35% from LW doesn't really do better then Youmuu's until you start getting up over 60 armor, which for most Champions is late game. So getting LW or Shiv becuase it's cheaper makes no sense to me... by that time a creep wave should be easy to clear in a few seconds.... grrrrrrrrrrr. This really isn't helping me hammer out this build thing... lol, just finding more reasons to stick with it the more I look at how some stats work.

Bit about my skill level. I've only ever gotten 1 penta... in Bots using Twisted Fate... he's one of the characters I'm "good" with, he's my worst character (worst overall though is Master Yii, not sure why)... before changes to a few of them. (Vi [Top Tank] and Jinx (My ladies, not sure why but when I play these two I just wreck face, they click for me), Veigar [want final boss skin], Trundle [Trolling], Annie (CD build, not as powerful but will melt down an opponent quick), Lucian, Morgana, Voli, Leona, Ashe, Twisted Fate [AD]) Really need to get around to learning how to jungle.

Commit Sudoku1 votes

My build flat out does more damage to any one with more that 60 armor than you because the flat 20 armor pent is pretty much garbage if you are hitting anyone with an armor item. Ghostblade is really only used to get more culling shots since it scales from AS. When you have a good team with my build you can shred through tanks with your double shot rotations if you kit correctly saving your E for when you really need to avoid getting collapsed on. Your calculation with 100 autos isn't really a good reference to use because you never factor in enemy armor on a Sejuani with 200 armor I will be doing much much much more damage 35% armor pen is no joke. You value crit chance far too much in my opinion in the end it is still a chance stat what are you going to do if you go 3 double shots without crit-ing and without 35% armor pen on a tank you they will pretty much dance on your grave. On the same target my Crits will still deal more damage than yours even if you get more crits its all a matter of effeciency. Essentially what I am trying to say is not getting Last Whisper on an adc is really bad, even vayne who deals true damage based on HP get last whisper. Your build is really nice if you get the chance to hit backline often but that is likely not going to be the case in most games, you will probably be hitting the front line and you need to shred through to get the backline in which you will still deal damage too because they have low armor and your frontline is probably still alive. Avarice Blade is part of shiv too so I don't see a good reason to value ghostblade so much.

Also NO ONE in the game has 0 Armor so your Ghostblade logic is invalid nearly everyone has 9 Armor from runes, base armor that scales with level, and likely purchased armor even on midlaners.

IMPORTANT MATH Against a 200 armor target 75% reduction from 100 autos its closer to 11193 damage including the 20 flat armor pen. With mine its 14400 not including shiv damage or crits ofc. Not to mention my build is 700g cheaper so you will reach it faster >by about 2.33 kills or 40 cs. So you need to be 40 cs ahead of me or 2 kills up on me to deal less effective damage in a fight.

And the damage effectiveness is true for everyone who has more than 58 armor. Someone needs 57 armor or less for your damage to be more effective than mine.

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