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League is not a very welcoming game.

FancyKiwi··25 votes·1,933 views

I had a friend who tried to get into League so he could play with me and another friend. This guy is about as casual gamer as it gets. He plays for fun and never cares about ever getting super good no matter what game he plays. He just wants to chat with people and have a good time. He eventually gave up ad moved on. When I asked him why this is what he told me. He told me what I'm sure most of us thought when we started. "What is this?" "Why is this tower doing so much damage?" Stuff like that. However, what made him finally stop playing was the people he was playing with. He said he had never seen such hate towards other people for not doing well and this is coming from a guy who plays a lot of Call of Duty. The worst part about that is that there isn't much Riot can do help that. There is a mute button but that only goes so far. I truly feel for new players. On top of learning the game they also have to deal with smurfs who belittle them for doing poorly. New players that don't quit ether have thick skin, are lucky enough to not run into people like that or are truly insane.

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PotatoWarrior6913 votes

The way it goes in League of Legends with casual gamers is very simple, either they quit or they become actual Gamers, not casual Gamers.

This Game is not meant for Casual Gamers, simply because of its competitive environment

If this guy really likes Mobas, I suggest him to start with something like Smite so he can ease his way into playing Games with a more ''Heated competitive environment.''

FancyKiwi8 votes

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The way it goes in League of Legends with casual gamers is very simple, either they quit or they become actual Gamers, not casual Gamers.

This Game is not meant for Casual Gamers, simply because of its competitive environment

If this guy really likes Mobas, I suggest him to start with something like Smite so he can ease his way into playing Games with a more ''Heated competitive environment.''

It shouldn't be that way though. If you want a competitive environment play ranked. Normal games should be more care free matches. I understand wanting to win but if you are playing with a bunch of low levels (which is what he was) understand that none of them are good yet and will most likely not do very well. Flaming a new player for not being good is like a NBA player yelling at a middle school player for not being able to keep up with him. Of course he isn't going to do as well as you since you have many more years of experience. I played some bot games with him and even in those there is a high amount of yelling at people for not doing well.

PotatoWarrior693 votes

All in all it still comes down to the competitiveness in this Game.

With 30 Million active players and only ten thousand+ pro players, everyone wants to become one of the best. Some people just take it too far.

The only way to really cure the League environment from toxicity is through active acknowledgement from Rito on Toxicity in League. Kinda like how innovative anti-littering PSAs in the 80s decreased littering.

Remlap12235 votes

If this guy really likes Mobas, I suggest him to start with something like Smite so he can ease his way into playing Games with a more ''Heated competitive environment.''

Hardly. Smite, while easier than League, has a more stringet meta than League does, and rotations aren't something that's just for #LCSBIGPLAYZ!!!1! it's something that you're supposed to do if you support. Not to mention everything in Smite is a skillshot. While League has a higher skillcap due to you actually having to last hit to earn gold (something that would be extremely contrived in Smite because AAs are skillshots, and can be creep blocked), and the existence of brush as well as heavier hitting turrets, Smite isn't a walk in the park either. Yeah, I steamrollled my way to level 30, but that's because League was my first MOBA.

Smite is not a casual MOBA. Easier than League/DOTA =/= casual. HOTS is a casual MOBA.

The way it goes in League of Legends with casual gamers is very simple, either they quit or they become actual Gamers, not casual Gamers.

Casual gamers are actual gamers. Last I checked anyone who plays games regularly are gamers. Just because someone likes a game that isn't even in the ballpark as complex as League doesn't make them less of a gamer. Leave the /v/ mentality in teh 4chinz.

This Game is not meant for Casual Gamers, simply because of its competitive environment

This bullshit mentality of the community is the reason why there's so much goddamn toxicity. Idiots like you cannot filter out Yolo Queue from a normal game with a duo learning how to play. So you flame because you pass the buck of all the mistakes that have happened in that game completely onto "that fucking feeding ADC".

In before "just play bots". There were only two times in my League career when bots were actually challenging: My first matches playing a champion that I was unfamiliar with, and when they got 5 additional passives in the Doom Bots mode.

The best way to get better at this game is to simply play more games with actual players. But why the fuck would these new players want anything to do with League? Assholes like yourself flame them to death, and make even fucking Call of Duty look like a more welcoming community.

Anidan2 votes

My only problem is that there isn't a ton of things Riot can do to make it a more welcoming place. They're trying, but the community has made their camp, and they now have to sleep there knowing how hostile it is for anyone to come near it. Truth be told: I've told people to stay away from mobas in general due to the community in them being absolutely atrocious, and that's something I do with a heavy heart, because I do enjoy games like DotA2 and League. But I have not seen a single moba that doesn't have a horrible over-arching community, and that includes HOTS. I don't want my friends to be bombarded with that bullshit like I was. It wasn't worth it; I didn't get tougher skin, or gain some new perspective, I just got bullshit flung my way when I couldn't perform up to their arbitrary standards, and my friends don't need that crap when they're playing games for fun.

Something about mobas... it just triggers people. Ordinarily good people become morally reprehensible when they play a moba. I'm a very kind and talkative person in actual conversation with friends, and even with strangers. Put me in a moba though and thanks to my experiences with people in this game, I talk rarely and when I do talk it's terse so as to avoid setting anyone off. I've played CoD, and I played it poorly, but even when our team was getting our asses handed to us so absolutely badly that we were getting camped at spawn (thanks for implementing a single spawn area there, Activision, great idea!) by choppers and attack dogs, I didn't see hear anyone complaining, but I heard people laughing and making jokes about how long they'd last before a dog ate them or a chopper shot them, or they got sniped or gunned down.

I'm legitimately curious about what, specifically, it is about mobas that makes people even more unwelcoming than CoD.

WyvernEgg1 votes

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The way it goes in League of Legends with casual gamers is very simple, either they quit or they become actual Gamers, not casual Gamers.

This Game is not meant for Casual Gamers, simply because of its competitive environment

If this guy really likes Mobas, I suggest him to start with something like Smite so he can ease his way into playing Games with a more ''Heated competitive environment.''

Idk my sister isn't a hardcore gamer but she plays league with me every now and then. Everytime she finishes shes like "lol that was fun"

RottedApples5 votes

i got through early levels for 2 reasons:

  1. i have relatively thick skin but that wasn't the main reason.
  2. I was somewhat oblivious the it. or i was ignorant to the fact it was a problem. I was having too much fun screwing around in the game and learning new things to care.
Biff Manly3 votes

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i got through early levels for 2 reasons:

  1. i have relatively thick skin but that wasn't the main reason.
  2. I was somewhat oblivious the it. or i was ignorant to the fact it was a problem. I was having too much fun screwing around in the game and learning new things to care.

I'm in that same boat. I looked back at my oldest match history.

I have item 3504 Quinn, because Ability Power makes Abilities stronger. (hint hint rito, change the name)

Silents4293 votes

No how dare you have fun and be thick skinned!

I expect you to to post rage threads after every game, and to take this seriously!

GundayMonday2 votes

League is not a casual game. It is one of the most complicated things I've ever played. It's like Chess + Basketball + Pokemon. You have to have strategy in real time while understanding how 100+ characters interact. It's not for everyone.

JesterSummoner1 votes

Yeah I remember when I first played. In my opinion people haven't changed much. I just ignored them. I played bots for a while then I jumped to normal.

Not sure how many smurfs there were in 2012 though. It's a shame because we could use more casual players. Are you sure he won't try it again?

FancyKiwi1 votes

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Yeah I remember when I first played. In my opinion people haven't changed much. I just ignored them. I played bots for a while then I jumped to normal.

Not sure how many smurfs there were in 2012 though. It's a shame because we could use more casual players. Are you sure he won't try it again?

No, I'm pretty sure he is done. The way this community thinks is do well or get flamed and he just didn't want to bother with that.

JesterSummoner1 votes

Ah ok. He isn't missing out on too much.

Irrelevant now but I just wanted to input that a group of 5 premade friends is one way to avoid toxic teammies

ElJanitorFrank1 votes

Well that was one big problem. He's a very casual gamer and you just threw him into a highly competitive game.

ModKnightsKemplar1 votes

I can argue both sides.

On one hand, with regards to your friend, he's a mature adult. He decided that the game wasn't worth playing because of toxic jerks, and he left. That's life. Get over it. The game takes dedication to be anywhere close to good, and he didn't want to dedicate the time. That's not a bad thing, by itself. No reason to pitch a fit.

On the other hand, I do hate toxic jerks who flame. I am always happy to report them, and I hope they all end up banned eventually. It is wrong for them to treat your friend badly, and I feel for him.

Unfortunately, this is just the way it goes. If the game was that important to your friend, he would suck it up and play. It isn't important to him, so he didn't. If we could create a better environment for him to learn, that would be awesome. We just aren't quite there yet. Maybe sometime soon we will be. I hope.

Catastrop1 votes

That's always going to be a thing. Even when I first started and this almost towards the end of S1, I was being flamed for playing poorly in Beginner bots. I didn't even want to try intermediate because I was afraid of getting bashed into the ground. How I got through that? I became ignorant. I just played until finally I was competent enough to play Normals, I didn't care what anyone said, if a person attacked me in chat for sucking I ignored them and just went on.

Zhugan1 votes

What's sad is the game wasn't always that way. It has just been this way for almost its entire existence now. But, shortly after it was released... Well, I leveled to 30 without any kind of consistent flaming, afks, etc.

Then again, I am talking about a time when Xin Zhao was a brand new champion and fewer than a million people actively played the game so I can talk wistfully of the golden days with a lot more accuracy than the majority of the people who play the game.

(On a similar note, I was SUPER amused when people complained about the tank meta earlier this year. Compared to Meta-golem that shit was a joke. Then again, almost every "tank" meta since Meta-golem has been a total joke.)

Axis the Dragon2 votes

Merc Treads! FrAtMogs! Triforce! FoN! META GOLEM, GO!

Ah, those were the days.

I started around Xin's release too, and boy, was it a lot of fun. The game was broken beyond balance (jax 100% dodging turrets, sion/panth + taric bot, ashe mid... Meta golem xin 1v5 hoooo), but no one really cared how well they did. It was raw fun.

But now, what with the whole LCSBIGPLAYS and "proper", "pro" methods, and lane meta mindset, a lot of the old spark is gone.

Zhugan1 votes

Right?

I remember the day when the "pro meta" was having an ADC mid, but your other lanes could literally be anything else. It was a WAY more interesting and fun time.

The old spark started to fizzle the same way it does with every game that gets as big as LoL has. Its kind of sad really, how much of the awesomeness of Seasons 1 and 2 has given way to the sameness of Seasons 4 and 5. =/

Axis the Dragon1 votes

Let's be honest though

Every other game was Ashe Mid and Warwick Jungle

EVERY OTHER GAME D:

Zhugan1 votes

That's true, but there were like 50 champs then and the jungle was actually HARD so it was either Warwick or Nunu a lot of the time.

Axis the Dragon1 votes

True. I do remember Xin being able to jungle as well but he really needed a big leash (attack speed runes not being as good as they are now being the main offender)

Zhugan1 votes

He needed that leash cause the jungle was hard back then. I found it super amusing when they changed the jungle vaguely recently and people were complaining about how it was harder cause it was still cake compared to before.

Then again, most people would have a stroke if they saw how powerful champions used to be.

Axis the Dragon1 votes

Early iterations of Jax, Xin and TF. Oh my GOD. Like, I wasn't around for Jax and TF's releases (Alpha notwithstanding), but I did watch my friend use them way back in the day and it was ridiculous.

When old Karma was the best anti-turret-dive Champion in the game

When AP Tristana was still a thing (R.I.P.)

Ahh, those were the times. Everything was so OP back then.

Zhugan1 votes

There were some others that are less obvious, but were just as crazy.

Release Orianna with the original Athene's was INSANE. She could fight in the middle of the lane all the while standing at wolves. It was a thing of beauty.

Shen before the changes and before the first wave of item changes when he could build Ionic Spark and TF and deal like 1000 up front damage in an auto and a Q.

Nunu solo'ing baron at like level 5 back when there were bushes in front of the pit.

So many little, janky, overpowered things lost to the overflowing tides of mediocrity that is necessary for esports. =(

Axis the Dragon1 votes

Poppy pushing Baron into lane with her knockback

BARON MINION HOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Angry Monster1 votes

Riot has stared that this game is not for the casual. Attitude aside from others(and he should not have to deal with it), he was not going to make it.

Most players do not talk in game since it takes away from the ability to play. I am not sure why you guys would ask someone to play with the attitude he has towards gaming. This is not a casual game where you fuck off and can just leave a game or rounds are 10 minutes long. League is a real time commitment.

So again i say he would not of lasted anyways.

jmaishere1 votes

play coop vs ai till you hit a point where you can play aram, then practice on aram as most of us don't care that much if you're learning

Almorada1 votes

I agree with most of what's being said in the replies. I started playing in S2 after a friend convinced me to try it out. I have previously enjoyed casual games like Runescape and other online MMOs which have a semi-competitive aspect to them, guildwars, PVP etc. I know for a fact people trashed talked me to no end even in co-op. Since both me and my friend were new to the game we were able to just engulf one another in the game; we very much enjoyed the aspect of discovering new champions and elements in an exciting new game. League quickly became my favorite game to play. However, now a days when I attempt to bring in someone one new, it doesn't work out. I know too much and they too little, there is a disbalance. I advice just letting your friend try the game for himself, so he doesn't have to play to anyone's standards or be overwhelm, just let him figure it out for himself. If he likes the concept, he'll stick with it and slowly get better.

In my opinion league isn't a game were you can just bring in someone who doesn't understand MOBAs at all and expect to be able to play along side them anytime soon, even just for 'fun'. Just introduce them to the game and let them decide if its something they want to dedicate themselves to learn.

Jungle Lux God1 votes

To be fair, there's not much you can do to make the transition process either.

MOBA's, by design, are just not very intuitive to a newer player. It's not easy to understand every single gameplay mechanic that is present in the game as a newer player, and everything in the game works together in a way that you need to understand most of these gameplay mechanics in order to know what is going on on a moment-by-moment basis.

League of Legends does its best to make newer players feel welcome, but at the end of the day it just isn't possible to make that transition process better, especially when you factor in toxic players.

LostFr0st1 votes

Same thing happened with my cousin. Biggest thing was the minion aggro chunking her.

Problem was that a lot of the time she got the "random lvl 20-30" in her lane, so even in a mirror match the enemy starts inherently with more stats (clicking on the enemy at the start of the game became the 'can I win lane / not feed it' ritual, so that she wouldn't get her allies saying 'uninstall.'

She quit at lvl 15 with most of her matches after lvl 10 being 5-man teambuilder games with friends.

-LostFr0st

Hard Penetrator1 votes

Why would you let him play against ppl pre 30? You should send him into vs SI matches.

If you are casual player LoL isn't for you. You need to learn wayyyy to much to have your fun with this game while getting smashed painfully from time to time without any chances in hell to beat your opponent. It isn't counter strike where you are using 3 weapons.

But vs bots this game is really casuall, nobody will harras you for going 1/20 or testing this hot ap ashe build. Jumping straight into matches in 5 yo game is as fun as starting new character in WoW and going into first harder instance almost all ppl know by heart while you dunno where to go.

I understand topic but ppl like your friend are kinda far away from players that like LoL.

Shïren1 votes

I made a post some time ago about how toxic this community has and compared it to call of duty which is actually a decent community now a days. its pretty sad but yeah I totally agree, the game is not beginner friendly. but elo boosters are a bigger problem then how unforgiving the community is after all. We know where priorities lie.

Silents4291 votes

Oh, you complained about the community, how original.

Shïren1 votes

You made an asinine comment about someone complaining, how original.

Axis the Dragon1 votes

You made a snide remark about someone's asinine comment about someone complaining. How original.

(Let's keep this going folks!)

Silents4291 votes

Yeah no, using that as a reason is stupid.

"Well I have this friend.."

Oh you do? Well god everyone drop everything he had a friend who couldn't get into the game, clearly the game is broken! RIOT! RIOT HELP!

Narasimha1 votes

League has gotten to the point where everyone assumes everyone else is a smurf. People forget that genuinely new people DO show up.

FebruAhri1 votes

All this talk about new player experiences, when I started playing nobody was flaming anyone, it wansn't until level 20-30 that people started taking the game seriously

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