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PSA: Just because someone is _____ Rank doesn't mean they're ____ Rank at every role.

King Odin··127 votes·4,185 views

If someone got to Diamond by jungling primarily it actually is quite probable that they could be low-high Plat (even gold) at the other roles so don't expect a Diamond level of game play across the board. A Plat 5 ADC Could be better at ADC than a Diamond 5 Top laner is at ADC simply because he would know his champion and mechanics (kiting, positioning) better than the D5 top laner. Every role offers different mechanics and particular things you learn only through experience for that role so don't expect anyone to transition from playing support to top laner and being equally as good.

Reason I am saying this is because I have seen people criticize others for playing like a (insert insult here) player in an off role in a normal when the entire point they're there is to try something new. Every one starts somewhere and even challenger players often perform poorly in off roles so take it easy on your fellow team mate. <3

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs] P.S And for everyone dming on the client, yes, I am the same King Odarth.

70 Comments

Borbland14 votes

I am personally Plat, and when I play with my friends, they call me boosted cause they expect me to carry at any role, even when I play a champ for my first time against a mastery 7 gold player.

They piss me off, so I remember to only use my mains in customs when playing against them, and now I dont have too many reflexions :3

King Odin9 votes

Yes that's sometimes the downside of being higher rank, people expect you to be amazing at everything and never do badly. God forbid you lose to a player lower than you who knows you're Diamond or something then the bashing and shit talking never ends. If we could never lose then we'd be challenger and even then they lose.

MontethePython2 votes

True a lot of people don't seem the understand this, I've noticed that high elo jungle players in say plat 2 can lose a 1v1 duel to a Gold 4 mid laner. This doesn't make the Plat jungler a worse player or boosted somehow, you can bet that plat players map awareness and decision making are on a much higher level, even if their dueling isn't as good. Anyone outside of master challenger will have screw up games and bad roles, and unless you're lcs most master challlengers as well. (Cept Faker he beats all mains in their roles)

rtbf2256182412 votes

Well even though i find Faker one of the best players in League and very diverse, he wouldn't be able to beat LCS players in their main roles propably. Especially in Tournaments.

Ïnsidious1 votes

Didn't SKT put out a video of faker 1v1ing his teammates on their mains and winning? Because I thought I saw a video of him doing just that...

rtbf2256182411 votes

And i saw a video of him losing to Duke in Top lane.

It doesn't matter, they aren't very serious against each other and i pointed out Tournament play.

Ïnsidious1 votes

I guess in the end it doesnt matter... I agree with your point but I was just trying to point out that your example was flawed

rtbf2256182411 votes

But i didn't present an example besides the tournament one.

Serika Zero1 votes

to be fair, even when I'm playing my main (hero and role). I'm still happy when I win lane vs a higher ranked player :)

Jet Sett7 votes

I played with a Challenger and his girlfriend once (someone associated with C9 I believe) he was a top main, but he was playing ADC while his GF was playing support. The enemy team camped him the whole game and called him "boosted" for losing lane despite the fact that, you know, he was getting 4-manned constantly and 5-manned when enemy TP was up. Though he did manage to get a stylish quadra kill when they dived him under turret, the best part being the Ashe that flamed him all game was recalling in the tri-bush behind the turret and it was warded, so he just W's her in one epic maneuver for the kill (He was Jhin by the way.)

crippler381 votes

laaaaaawl, did you win?

Jet Sett1 votes

We did indeed, and the Challenger fellow ended positive!

CarameI Frappe3 votes

I'm a Platinum 5 Support Main but if you force me to go into ADC role, i'm Silver ...... I suck at that role. I'm Gold in Jungle & Top, Gold / Silver in Mid depending on my matchup but my true strength is in Supporting. I especially enjoy going Poppy Support because putting champions in a role they're usually not played in can throw people off on how to fight them in lane.

Big Lincoln2 votes

tldr all support mains are boosted

King Odin25 votes

What thread are you reading? Can you link me to it please.

Big Lincoln1 votes

a challenger support is bronze in every role xd

King Odin28 votes

I'm looking for the logic in that statement but I can't find it. http://static2.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_super/1551/15516851/2941764-lfs13.png

It Hertz When IP9 votes

Waste of time, bro, just keep scrolling.

Spaceman5pff1 votes

I think it was Xpecial that would play vs Reginald in mid and regularly beat him.

But nah, the LCS Support is Bronze at all roles, which is why he would regularly beat the LCS Mid.

DeathBot6664 votes

SHHHH!!!

Don't you know not to confront a troll with facts and a well-reasoned argument.

They take that as a threat, and attack.

Stephenizgod2 votes

I see, that explains why I am Challenger level with Yorick but only a Bronze player at all roles...

but seriously, yep thats why Auto-fill sucks.

Unstoppable Monk1 votes

Uhhh... you can play Yorick as jungle, mid, and support. It's just a different build + r / m.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Uhhh... you can play literally any champion as any role. It's just not normally as effective as their main roles.

Unstoppable Monk1 votes

Not for Yorick. The effectiveness is on the player, people main him mid and run him support as well.

Yorick The more you know.

Stephenizgod1 votes

I play Yorick in every role, but he is best Top... That was my point.

Unstoppable Monk1 votes

And you are wrong. Just because people play him top doesn't mean his positions are less valid. It's just the easiest position.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Whose comments are you reading? I think you are replying to the wrong person dude. I never said Yorick couldn't play other roles though, you just started talking about him going into other roles. I know I take Yorick into every role, but his TOP LANE is his strongest role... Its has the most favorable match-ups for him.

Unstoppable Monk1 votes

You are hardly an expert at Yorick when you're jungling him with Warlords.

Yorick is equally viable.

Stephenizgod1 votes

I never said I was an expert? Unless you are referring to my joke, in which case I will say you need to get a sense of humor.

No, no he isn't but keep telling yourself that. BTW Warlord's Bloodlust works really well on him if you know how to use it. It is my personal way of playing him and it works really well for me.

Also don't act like you are an expert, just because you have more games doesn't make you better.

Unstoppable Monk1 votes

Please stop spreading misinformation about the champion, noob.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Lol I'm not, you are, but ok... now go back to thinking you are the best Yorick player ever and leave me alone.

Pimasterchampion1 votes

can't he top too?

Candoodle2 votes

Member Team Builder, where matchmaking would adjust if you were playing a role you never play?

Miku Append2 votes

I can agree with this very much. I play support at a Gold level, but not so much in the case of top or mid. If you put me in the jungle or ADC, it's just better to have an afk tbh... A lot of this comes from knowledge of mechanics and the game itself, such as I know what to do in any given situation as Nami or Sona but as Ahri or Syndra ? Pfft you kidding me. I'm not sure whether to roam just yet or not.

Dukues1 votes

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I can agree with this very much. I play support at a Gold level, but not so much in the case of top or mid. If you put me in the jungle or ADC, it's just better to have an afk tbh... A lot of this comes from knowledge of mechanics and the game itself, such as I know what to do in any given situation as Nami or Sona but as Ahri or Syndra ? Pfft you kidding me. I'm not sure whether to roam just yet or not.

haha yea one of my alt accounts just got demoted out of gold :(((. Haha the mmr is so low it hurts. I keep trying to play adc or other roles/champs I don't know that well and just keep getting stomped. Its not even that the enemy team is that good its just I am not good enough to hard carry in those roles/champs and cannot rely on my teammates to always carry either. If I really wanted to rank the account back up to gold I would just go back to playing jungle. But that sounds boring and don't really see the point since season starting soon anyways and I already got rewards. Looking somewhat forward to having that account in mid bronze to start the season (low preseason mmr + soft rank reset). Going to be one of those scrubs with a gold border in like bronze 3-5 later in the season. Better than being bronze or low silver with a plat border I suppose though.

Risk of Fate1 votes

This is why I say I'm just bad. My rank doesn't have anything to do with it and I've beaten low plats/high golds in norms. What kind of Support am I? A decent one. Ahri, I am the best (jk'ing, pretty sure I'm on the low end).

It all comes down to how well do I know X champion in Y matchup. In those cases, I could probably tell you which should win in a 1v1 situation assuming there are no outside factors apart from runes/masteries.

MegaV78G871 votes

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This is why I say I'm just bad. My rank doesn't have anything to do with it and I've beaten low plats/high golds in norms. What kind of Support am I? A decent one. Ahri, I am the best (jk'ing, pretty sure I'm on the low end).

It all comes down to how well do I know X champion in Y matchup. In those cases, I could probably tell you which should win in a 1v1 situation assuming there are no outside factors apart from runes/masteries.

Most of the roles are quite similar. Jungle is quite different compared to laning, but top mid and ADC are quite similar. ADC would be better at kiting compared to a top lane getting in the middle of a fight. Also if people play a champ with a unique playstyle they might learn different mechanics compared to other top laners. A gnat top main should be able to adjust to ADC with more ease compared to a yasou mid/top or singed top main.

Risk of Fate1 votes

True, and I would also like to argue that Support and Jungle are similar in that they are usually the people with map control.

MegaV78G871 votes

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True, and I would also like to argue that Support and Jungle are similar in that they are usually the people with map control.

They are similar in the fact that they are supportive roles. Jungle has different mechanics though dealing with kiting, counter jungling, ganking (other roles it would be roaming), clear paths, objective control (rift,baron,dragon), fricken plant control (lol), counter ganks, and a few others I may have missed.

dominusx1 votes

Tell that to the retards who think i can beat a challenger midlaner in flex que when i have like 25mid games this year.

JakiStow1 votes

Reason I am saying this is because I have seen people criticize others for playing like a (insert insult here) player in an off role in a normal when the entire point they're there is to try something new.

Sadly, most people can't see and think further than what their eyes show them. So they see you playing bad, they conclude that you are bad all the time, every time.

Dukues1 votes

Yea I have finally started appreciating ranks for what they are. They have some meaning, but not as much as some players think mainly for the reason you described.

Like one of my buddies hit plat this season playing Janna Blitzcrank support. The rank is deserved, he is plat level support with those champions. This buddy also took like a year break from league. So although he a plat 4-5 support player... he is like... probably mid silver at every other role hahaha. I been playing 3v3 with him a lot and he changes champs a lot and just feeds hard. We have fun but he definitely still rusty at playing other champs and roles. Damn good at hitting them blitz pulls though :P.

Same for me though. LIke I reached gold playing all roles but top this season. I can compete at a mid/low gold level at most roles but if I get stuck top you might as well look at my rank as bronze 5.

But even then being low gold over silver/bronze isn't that much different (at least mechanically) so I still lose a lot in silver/bronze games anyways.

You can tell when people are playing their main champs/roles compared to those who aren't. Ranks mean hardly anything when you have someone playing their main role/champ over someone playing a role they hardly know and trying a new champ.

DemoGuide1 votes

True I played with my friends for a past month, about 200 games, and only in like 20 of them i was on my main role. Mid/supp. I usually let them pick first... and that makes me stuck in jungle/top/adc most of the time. While i dont really know this roles, i've been able to carry with something simple like Nasus, or Shaco, but not as ADC.

ABlueQuaker1 votes

I'm proud of that fact that I'm pretty consistent across all roles, but the champion pools vary. If you catch me trying to play Zed or Yasuo I'm going to look like I should be in Silver and I wouldn't blame you. But calling me boosted when I have a 65-75% win rate on Zac and Sejuani from a combined total of ~100 games is pretty insulting.

EDIT: This isn't to say that there aren't plenty of actual boosted (or Dynamic Q boosted) players out there. You see some people trying to gank into 3 waves worth of minion aggro or last hitting enemy champions when there were like 10 other ways to contribute to the kill for assist gold without dealing any damage whatsoever.

Lucian Waifu1 votes

This is very true. My friends who are in bronze and silver expect me to carry every game no matter what lane I am just because I am Platinum. Although if a bronze 5 claims that he is master tier and is bronze 5 on that account he is playing only because he messes around, that person is a liar.

Teh Song1 votes
Teh Song1 votes

So what you're saying is everybody should play all roles to the point that they don't have off-roles. I agree as a "completion point", but of course having to buy the champs, runes, and pages, it's probably best to build your way into one/two roles at a time.

AcidTheWarlock1 votes

I'm pretty solid at mid and top while being able to rock the supports, but I'm horrible at botlane (I did well once since I cheesed out people with GP) and jungle. I don't know why considering I was practically an ADC and jungle main back when I played Smite.

I'm actually quite proud of beating a Gold 1 (almost plat!) from mid, but I get roflstomped in top by some shit bronze 5 player if I get counterpicked (since I play too many champs)

Kinjishi1 votes

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs] excellent post

Athenes Lulu1 votes

I shit you not, there are support mains that play non-support like bronze/silver, but are actually plat/diamond.

Or just ask me, my mechanical skill to compete with even silver ADC mains are at most subpar. So uh... how do I melee again?

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