Anyone can get better being paired with people beneath their skill level and that's what's constantly holding me back. Sure I could improve we could all improve. But pairing me with 4 rookies over and over again is recipe for failing.
TeemoJenkins8 votesI know right bro? it's like those Bronze V's that buy sightstone, but still drop less than 10 wards in a match and then come on the forums to complain about their "rookies" team mates. Or they jungle and don't drop any wards in the matches... those darn rookies.
Daen6 votes
Lyless2 votes
- Take a break from Ranked. Seriously. Play normals with a full premade of people you trust to do moderately well.
- Honestly, if you're going to keep making threads like this, just add me in the NA client and we can play a game together sometime.
I don't trust anyone. Normals are a waste of time. Nothing is on the line and bored to death my normal games. I am in this win and be the best not just play around.
Fine. What's your ranking?
Daen3 votesI am in this win and be the best not just play around.
If you are playing to win, refusing to practice is the single best way to make sure that never happens.
Fine. What's your ranking?
Gold V.
I haven't played ranked solo/duo since the beginning of Season 5, however, because I've been practicing with friends in preparation for next season. On LoLKing, my Season 5 ranked stats with Olaf, Jarvan IV, and Fiora are reflective of my current play due to them being what I generally play in Ranked 5s. Compare my creep score and KDA to yours, and note the relative disparity.
Lyless1 votesIf you are playing to win, refusing to practice is the single best way to make sure that never happens.
Gold V.
I haven't played ranked solo/duo since the beginning of Season 5, however, because I've been practicing with friends in preparation for next season. On LoLKing, my Season 5 ranked stats with Olaf, Jarvan IV, and Fiora are reflective of my current play due to them being what I generally play in Ranked 5s. Compare my creep score and KDA to yours, and note the relative disparity.
Given that I have been using Soraka, I don't think KDA rate would be fair to me. Also given that you lane and I don't that wouldn't be fair either.
Daen1 votesFair point. I'll be available to play tonight after work, if you're interested.
DárkFlameMáster 1 votes
I don't trust anyone. Normals are a waste of time. Nothing is on the line and bored to death my normal games. I am in this win and be the best not just play around.
Fine. What's your ranking?
"Normals are a waste of time."
Truth.
SmokedAlmonds5 votesPeople get better by focusing on their own play instead of wasting their time complaining about others holding them back.
Lyless2 votesPeople get better by focusing on their own play instead of wasting their time complaining about others holding them back.
I know who I am good and great with. I stop using Nocturne because I got to a point with him where there was no more I could do. I don't suffer in silence. I speak up. The system is trash. I am clearly better than them.
SmokedAlmonds3 votesI know who I am good and great with. I stop using Nocturne because I got to a point with him where there was no more I could do. I don't suffer in silence. I speak up. The system is trash. I am clearly better than them.
clearly better than me based on what? Not that it has much to do with anything anyway.
Lyless1 votesclearly better than me based on what?
The problem with looking at stats is they are good before my team screws up. and then I have try and scramble and to try and make kills mid while the entire enemy team is pushing mid.
SmokedAlmonds4 votesThe problem with looking at stats is they are good before my team screws up. and then I have try and scramble and to try and make kills mid while the entire enemy team is pushing mid.
Stats are only a small portion of what I base my statements on. I watched a couple of your games, including a win and a loss.
Lyless1 votesStats are only a small portion of what I base my statements on. I watched a couple of your games, including a win and a loss.
which games?
SmokedAlmonds4 voteswhich games?
http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1965708197/217527769?tab=overview
That was the win I watched. I don't remember which one was the loss.
I saw basically the same things in both games. Which was a lot of slow movements and big delays between actions and lack of involvement in fights. The only real difference between the two games was that in the win a jungle jarvan carried the game.
Jubbinaut1 votesI don't understand. How is it possible to have less than 33% kill participation as Soraka?
Archon X4 votesIs there a reason you don't get sweeper when you get sightstone? That's kind of a rookie mistake.
Lyless1 votes[{quoted}](name=Archon X,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=66mzqLxa,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-10-07T20:52:55.591+0000)
Is there a reason you don't get sweeper when you get sightstone? That's kind of a rookie mistake.
what is a sweeper? And this only applies when I use Soraka. Plus I want an AP Soraka the one I have changed to sucks bad.
EndlessSorcerer1 votesSweeping Lens.
Free trinket.
nerak234 voteswhy are you assuming I have never practiced or took the time out to?
I never said I was perfect. I said, it's a waste of time for me to waste time practicing with the current players I have. I already have done that. I am not some noob and this is not a troll. I want to be the best this isn't about fun, it's about being the best. And just like a good player on an NBA Team I am being held back!
This make Me think you don't feel the need to practice ANYMORE and you have stated threw many threads how you are better then everyone you play with...all in all this makes it seem like you only want to blame others for what is happening in your games.
I'll state it simply if you don't learn from the people you play with, then you are in the correct tier. Sorry :(
Lyless1 votes
This make Me think you don't feel the need to practice ANYMORE and you have stated threw many threads how you are better then everyone you play with...all in all this makes it seem like you only want to blame others for what is happening in your games.
I'll state it simply if you don't learn from the people you play with, then you are in the correct tier. Sorry :(
Or the system is broken. I am better than those other players. Why would I not place the blame were it belongs? The only thing learn from who I am stuck with playing with is what not to do!
SmokedAlmonds3 votesOr the system is broken. I am better than those other players. Why would I not place the blame were it belongs? The only thing learn from who I am stuck with playing with is what not to do!
The only thing that suggests that you are anywhere other than you belong is your own opinion of your ability, which is obviously biased.
Almost everyone thinks they are better than they are.
Snowball4u1 votesThe only thing that suggests that you are anywhere other than you belong is your own opinion of your ability, which is obviously biased.
Almost everyone thinks they are better than they are.
Sometimes you are better than the people your playing with...
But then you climb from silver 3 to gold 2 in about 3 months :)
Treeofwar3 votesanother QQ thread from lyless just down vote and move on
SSJTribe2 votesI got placed into Bronze 4 this season, and I knew I was better than that... So I got out. Currently Gold 4, in promos for Gold 3. A lot of what these guys are saying is true man. You can't control your team, only yourself. There will be trolls and afk's along the way, but you must do what you can to win. No one is perfect but again, you have to put yourself, (which in turn puts your team) in a position to win.
Lyless1 votesI got placed into Bronze 4 this season, and I knew I was better than that... So I got out. Currently Gold 4, in promos for Gold 3. A lot of what these guys are saying is true man. You can't control your team, only yourself. There will be trolls and afk's along the way, but you must do what you can to win. No one is perfect but again, you have to put yourself, (which in turn puts your team) in a position to win.
I don't have a team to advantage of anything I do. So, it doesn't matter if I do well, it will not matter. This crap is hopeless. And you didn't get out by yourself.
SSJTribe1 votesUh, yes I did. And your team wants to win as much as you do, so if you're the best player then you can put them into a winning position. You won't win every game. But you can win most.
Lyless1 votesMy point is vaild playing with people beneath your skill level doesn't help you improve.
SmokedAlmonds5 votesMy point is vaild playing with people beneath your skill level doesn't help you improve.
It doesn't remove the ability for you to improve, though it may reduce it. But really, you are no better than they are and as long as you focus on them instead of yourself you have no chance of improving. So even if they are terrible it is still you holding yourself back by focusing on them.
Lyless1 votesIt doesn't remove the ability for you to improve, though it may reduce it. But really, you are no better than they are and as long as you focus on them instead of yourself you have no chance of improving. So even if they are terrible it is still you holding yourself back by focusing on them.
why are you assuming I have never practiced or took the time out to?
SmokedAlmonds2 voteswhy are you assuming I have never practiced or took the time out to?
I never said anything about practicing. But every ounce of energy and every second you spend thinking about/posting about other peoples play is 100% wasted.
hh the thinker1 votesif you win games, the games get harder. if you lose games, the games get easier. the only time this really stops is when you are either challenger near the top or bronze 5 near the bottom. nothing can really be easier than the lowest ranks since other team will make the most mistakes out of any other rank. if i played at bronze 5 at 100 mmr, i could go about every game without a death, unless i made a stupid mistake. if you can't do the same, then you 100% aren't playing perfect, let alone close to even a gold level (i say gold since i'm fairly sure most gold and up players can actually do the same).
people at bronze 5 are walking around as free kills on both sides, and if you aren't just collecting them, that means you are actually missing it. i've actually played at fairly low ranks before because that's where i started, but i focused on myself and it become easier the better i got.
i'm not saying any of this to be mean or anything, but when you say you play perfect as WW and noct, you are basically saying you are past faker level since even he isn't 100% perfect. no one is perfect and the better you play, the easier the games.
so many people have done bronze 5 climbs and just to get to bronze 5, they both would have the same teams as you and have tanked their mmr. they win about 95% of their games in bronze.
simple things you can do to climb:
position really well: this means get 0 deaths while still being in the game. while i was playing in bronze myself, i was able to go 0 deaths when going a role and champ i knew well when i really focused on it. sometimes i did die, but i had much less deaths and know the game much better now. for you, we can say 2 or less.
ward: you say your awareness is great right? so you know when to take free red and blue buffs from the other jungler when he shows up bot lane without red buff at the time his buff should be coming up. you also play perfectly enough to get every drag every time, even if you flash and smite steal it, and you can do this since you want the drag pit.
getting objectives: even if you low health, you can try to go for something when other team is ace or close to it and your awareness is good enough to know where the missing people are. kills are not the objectives, the towers, drags, baron, and inhibs are. the biggest one is the nexus.
skill shots: you either land close to 100% and dodge 100% in bronze 5, or you really need to practice this.
game knowledge: by this, i mean a bit of everything. you keep track of flash timers and ignite, and heal, and tp from the other team right? if you don't, you are making it harder than it needs to be. flash is 5 minutes so if the adc used flash at 21:24, they won't have it until 26:24. during that time, they are much more at risk. if they don't take flash, it's even easier to abuse their mistakes and they do make mistakes, you just have to catch them.
this is just basic stuff really, there is more advanced things to learn, but since you've actually said you are diamond level, you already do all of this and more. if you don't do all of this, than you are either a diamond player who is purposely being lazy, dying on purpose (they are really easy deaths to avoid, don't make excuses since you either know you are going to die in a situation, or you don't know and a diamond player playing at bronze 5 would know), and really losing on purpose; or you aren't as good as you think you are.
if you say you don't ward and the other things because it doesn't help in low elo or whatever, you still aren't doing what a diamond player would do to even help themselves out, not just the team. the way it helps a diamond player or anyone else with enough knowledge is it gives them free kills and reduce their deaths, which in turn leads to more drags, towers and everything else.
if you don't want to listen, then i'm just going to say that you will stay where you are, unless you passively improve. saying the system is broken isn't going to change it. it's not going to bring you up in ranked and if you say you can't climb because of your teammates, then no one will actually believe you are more than bronze in skill level, until you prove otherwise. imagine one of the really bad players on your team (like the gnar vs the nasus in your one WW game for example) saying they are diamond in skill, that's kind of how you look right now.
again, not trying to be mean, but i am trying to show you how it looks to everyone else.
Lyless1 votes[{quoted}](name=hh the thinker,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=66mzqLxa,comment-id=0008,timestamp=2015-10-08T04:04:32.391+0000)
if you win games, the games get harder. if you lose games, the games get easier. the only time this really stops is when you are either challenger near the top or bronze 5 near the bottom. nothing can really be easier than the lowest ranks since other team will make the most mistakes out of any other rank. if i played at bronze 5 at 100 mmr, i could go about every game without a death, unless i made a stupid mistake. if you can't do the same, then you 100% aren't playing perfect, let alone close to even a gold level (i say gold since i'm fairly sure most gold and up players can actually do the same).
people at bronze 5 are walking around as free kills on both sides, and if you aren't just collecting them, that means you are actually missing it. i've actually played at fairly low ranks before because that's where i started, but i focused on myself and it become easier the better i got.
i'm not saying any of this to be mean or anything, but when you say you play perfect as WW and noct, you are basically saying you are past faker level since even he isn't 100% perfect. no one is perfect and the better you play, the easier the games.
so many people have done bronze 5 climbs and just to get to bronze 5, they both would have the same teams as you and have tanked their mmr. they win about 95% of their games in bronze.
simple things you can do to climb:
position really well: this means get 0 deaths while still being in the game. while i was playing in bronze myself, i was able to go 0 deaths when going a role and champ i knew well when i really focused on it. sometimes i did die, but i had much less deaths and know the game much better now. for you, we can say 2 or less.
ward: you say your awareness is great right? so you know when to take free red and blue buffs from the other jungler when he shows up bot lane without red buff at the time his buff should be coming up. you also play perfectly enough to get every drag every time, even if you flash and smite steal it, and you can do this since you want the drag pit.
getting objectives: even if you low health, you can try to go for something when other team is ace or close to it and your awareness is good enough to know where the missing people are. kills are not the objectives, the towers, drags, baron, and inhibs are. the biggest one is the nexus.
skill shots: you either land close to 100% and dodge 100% in bronze 5, or you really need to practice this.
game knowledge: by this, i mean a bit of everything. you keep track of flash timers and ignite, and heal, and tp from the other team right? if you don't, you are making it harder than it needs to be. flash is 5 minutes so if the adc used flash at 21:24, they won't have it until 26:24. during that time, they are much more at risk. if they don't take flash, it's even easier to abuse their mistakes and they do make mistakes, you just have to catch them.
this is just basic stuff really, there is more advanced things to learn, but since you've actually said you are diamond level, you already do all of this and more. if you don't do all of this, than you are either a diamond player who is purposely being lazy, dying on purpose (they are really easy deaths to avoid, don't make excuses since you either know you are going to die in a situation, or you don't know and a diamond player playing at bronze 5 would know), and really losing on purpose; or you aren't as good as you think you are.
if you say you don't ward and the other things because it doesn't help in low elo or whatever, you still aren't doing what a diamond player would do to even help themselves out, not just the team. the way it helps a diamond player or anyone else with enough knowledge is it gives them free kills and reduce their deaths, which in turn leads to more drags, towers and everything else.
if you don't want to listen, then i'm just going to say that you will stay where you are, unless you passively improve. saying the system is broken isn't going to change it. it's not going to bring you up in ranked and if you say you can't climb because of your teammates, then no one will actually believe you are more than bronze in skill level, until you prove otherwise. imagine one of the really bad players on your team (like the gnar vs the nasus in your one WW game for example) saying they are diamond in skill, that's kind of how you look right now.
again, not trying to be mean, but i am trying to show you how it looks to everyone else.
I know how to play this game I am not a noob. I do all of this stuff. I took a lot of time to get better. None of it matters if you have a team that doesn't want to win. None of that matters. And you cannot go into Bronze 5 and win or have no kills with a crap team. I don't care how good you are.
hh the thinker3 votesI know how to play this game I am not a noob. I do all of this stuff. I took a lot of time to get better. None of it matters if you have a team that doesn't want to win. None of that matters. And you cannot go into Bronze 5 and win or have no kills with a crap team. I don't care how good you are.
i've done it, i've actually won 4v5 and other games when people feed. i remember someone saying they would feed and i told them i don't care, so they ran to my lane and ran under tower giving kills. he gave up feeding after 10 kills since i was still winning. this was when i was smurfing in bronze and i wanted to see how hard it was to carry when someone was feeding like that. i often don't go try hard on smurf, but that game i kind of did and it ended with us winning. also, you just said faker couldn't get kills at bronze 5 "I don't care how good you are." faker i've seen was playing with challenger players on one of his LB games. you can get solo kills, but if you don't want to believe it, it means you don't watch LCS, youtube or streams with league. getting solo kills happens all the time, you just don't know how to.
also, you don't ward and get more than 2 deaths every game you play so don't say you do all of the things i say.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLAlo-7odbM here is a video of trick2g playing at bronze 5, and watch how many solo kills he gets. there are many videos, this was just one example and it really is this easy.
DeynaTaggerung1 votesIt is hard to improve if everyone around you is at the same skill level or below. Which is why I recommend normals to improve your skills and then come back to ranked and climb. That's what I did when I was in B5 and it really helped me get that kickstart to move up.
Lyless1 votesIt is hard to improve if everyone around you is at the same skill level or below. Which is why I recommend normals to improve your skills and then come back to ranked and climb. That's what I did when I was in B5 and it really helped me get that kickstart to move up.
My skills have gotten past B5 before. That's not the issue. I am know I am good enough. You don't seem to understand.
DeynaTaggerung2 votesNo, I do. I was in B5 too, and I thought the same thing you do. I was certain my skill level was high bronze to low silver and now I laugh at that thought. I was wrong and I'm pretty sure you are too.
Lyless1 votesNo, I do. I was in B5 too, and I thought the same thing you do. I was certain my skill level was high bronze to low silver and now I laugh at that thought. I was wrong and I'm pretty sure you are too.
I am not wrong. What did I get again? And AFK and another troll, so 3 vs 5 and then a Vayne that kept stealing my kills. I am not wrong.
DeynaTaggerung1 votesI don't believe kill stealing exists, and in-fact feeding vayne is a good idea. And that's not every game, while it's unfortunate you had that it can't be put as the only reason you're in B5, contributing factor, probably, but you can't blame it entirely
Lyless1 votesI don't believe kill stealing exists, and in-fact feeding vayne is a good idea. And that's not every game, while it's unfortunate you had that it can't be put as the only reason you're in B5, contributing factor, probably, but you can't blame it entirely
If Vayne wasn't completely unskilled and didn't have any idea when to back off from a fight you might be right.. But you are wrong. It's nearly every game that something like this happens.
hh the thinker2 votesMy skills have gotten past B5 before. That's not the issue. I am know I am good enough. You don't seem to understand.
you have never prove that you are good enough still. your stats and game play from what everyone has seen is still bronze 5. just because you don't think so, doesn't make you right. do you have 10 kda every game or something? is your vision control really strong? have you been even winning enough games to be climbing? what actually makes you better besides you saying you are?
so far, nothing you've shown proves any of this, and even when you say you carry with good teams, that's the same thing as just doing good with a team that is doing good, that's not really carrying. carrying is more doing well when no one else is.
even when you think you have a really good team, it's still a fairly bad team in terms of overall skill, but is doing well that game.
if you are good enough, you wouldn't be in bronze 5 right now. again, no one is understanding why you keep posting complaints either. riot won't look at them and bring you up a few ranks, and you won't convince anyone you are better than bronze 5 until you are actually out of bronze 5 and stay out.
not trying to be mean still, just trying to show you the reality of what everyone else sees.
Lyless2 votes[{quoted}](name=hh the thinker,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=66mzqLxa,comment-id=000900000001,timestamp=2015-10-08T19:57:24.626+0000)
you have never prove that you are good enough still. your stats and game play from what everyone has seen is still bronze 5. just because you don't think so, doesn't make you right. do you have 10 kda every game or something? is your vision control really strong? have you been even winning enough games to be climbing? what actually makes you better besides you saying you are?
so far, nothing you've shown proves any of this, and even when you say you carry with good teams, that's the same thing as just doing good with a team that is doing good, that's not really carrying. carrying is more doing well when no one else is.
even when you think you have a really good team, it's still a fairly bad team in terms of overall skill, but is doing well that game.
if you are good enough, you wouldn't be in bronze 5 right now. again, no one is understanding why you keep posting complaints either. riot won't look at them and bring you up a few ranks, and you won't convince anyone you are better than bronze 5 until you are actually out of bronze 5 and stay out.
not trying to be mean still, just trying to show you the reality of what everyone else sees.
And your opinion is equally as useless to me. No, I play with a team and they have a bigger effect than the individual. So, your theory and this game designed to keep people down. I don't respect you are your opinion. I am not trying to convince anyone of something I already know.
hh the thinker1 votesAnd your opinion is equally as useless to me. No, I play with a team and they have a bigger effect than the individual. So, your theory and this game designed to keep people down. I don't respect you are your opinion. I am not trying to convince anyone of something I already know.
i think you missed my question. what makes you better than other people at your rank? if you can't actually name something, what makes you think you should be higher in particular?
Lyless1 votes[{quoted}](name=hh the thinker,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=66mzqLxa,comment-id=00090000000100000000,timestamp=2015-10-08T20:59:52.767+0000)
i think you missed my question. what makes you better than other people at your rank? if you can't actually name something, what makes you think you should be higher in particular?
You had a question inside that silly opinion of yours? Let's see how about better lane awareness than the other people playing, how about not throwing the game, how not stealing kills from people, how about not giving up during games, how about trying to wrok with people who have proven to be lower than me, how trying to be a leader to a team who doesn't listen ect.....
hh the thinker1 votesYou had a question inside that silly opinion of yours? Let's see how about better lane awareness than the other people playing, how about not throwing the game, how not stealing kills from people, how about not giving up during games, how about trying to wrok with people who have proven to be lower than me, how trying to be a leader to a team who doesn't listen ect.....
not giving up is good, trying to work with people is good, but doing things alone is also important. being too depend on people is a weakness with a lot of people in the lower ranks. being a leader to people who don't listen sounds fairly useless to me, you don't actually need to be the leader, though some calls can help if your team does follow up, and if they never do, then i wouldn't even bother on calling things out.
as for my silly opinion, it was all a question; while also pointing out what others are saying, it's not an opinion that means since i could actually quote people word for word and then there is my question. your understand of things needs a bit more work.
i'm also going to add that there are a lot of bronze players who can name the same things as you have, and if you want to climb, you really do need to do more. if you don't know how to do more or you think you shouldn't need to, then you can stay at your rank.
if you don't care to actually convince anyone you are better, what would your point be anyways to all of these posts?
Lyless1 votes[{quoted}](name=hh the thinker,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=66mzqLxa,comment-id=0009000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-08T21:12:50.446+0000)
not giving up is good, trying to work with people is good, but doing things alone is also important. being too depend on people is a weakness with a lot of people in the lower ranks. being a leader to people who don't listen sounds fairly useless to me, you don't actually need to be the leader, though some calls can help if your team does follow up, and if they never do, then i wouldn't even bother on calling things out.
as for my silly opinion, it was all a question; while also pointing out what others are saying, it's not an opinion that means since i could actually quote people word for word and then there is my question. your understand of things needs a bit more work.
i'm also going to add that there are a lot of bronze players who can name the same things as you have, and if you want to climb, you really do need to do more. if you don't know how to do more or you think you shouldn't need to, then you can stay at your rank.
if you don't care to actually convince anyone you are better, what would your point be anyways to all of these posts?
I don't care what they said, I know what I am saying is true. I don't care what other Bronze players say. I cannot work with people who do stupid stuff over and over again. I am already doing everything. And what do I get for it? A loss. Every freaking time. All these things have been tried before. and nothing works. There was a time I was getting 12 to 17 kills per game and what happened? A loss nothing works.
My point would be to expose this game and how it doesn't even give you a decent shot to win. Not even 50/50. This is crap!
hh the thinker2 votesI don't care what they said, I know what I am saying is true. I don't care what other Bronze players say. I cannot work with people who do stupid stuff over and over again. I am already doing everything. And what do I get for it? A loss. Every freaking time. All these things have been tried before. and nothing works. There was a time I was getting 12 to 17 kills per game and what happened? A loss nothing works.
My point would be to expose this game and how it doesn't even give you a decent shot to win. Not even 50/50. This is crap!
the thing is, you are missing that people have done unranked to diamond in 24 hours climbs, bronze to gold, bronze to diamond, and i've seen people play on other people's accounts on youtube and on twitch and solo carry games. one diamond player went 33/0 or something in bronze. it's been proven endless times that it can be done. i've seen people win 3v5 even so you saying that it's not possible is a bit funny.
i could even carry you out with duoing with you on my smurf, but i wouldn't do that since you would end up at bronze 5 unless you are willing to improve.
honestly, you aren't even doing everything since you don't ward great every game and if you say that it doesn't help, then you are proving my point when it comes to not doing everything.
i would adc and just end up killing everyone over and over again 1v5 at bronze 5 (and if you say that's laning so that's not fair, then why don't you lane to climb until you get to a better rank?). even your soraka build isn't good, and if you think i'm wrong, then i'm just going to ask why you are bronze 5 still? if you say your team, then no one on these boards besides others in bronze 5 will agree with you, which isn't what you want.
there is just so much proof that climb can happen when good enough, you just haven't seen it and you aren't really proving anything besides you aren't good enough to climb.
Lyless1 votes[{quoted}](name=hh the thinker,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=66mzqLxa,comment-id=000900000001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2015-10-08T21:30:53.369+0000)
the thing is, you are missing that people have done unranked to diamond in 24 hours climbs, bronze to gold, bronze to diamond, and i've seen people play on other people's accounts on youtube and on twitch and solo carry games. one diamond player went 33/0 or something in bronze. it's been proven endless times that it can be done. i've seen people win 3v5 even so you saying that it's not possible is a bit funny.
i could even carry you out with duoing with you on my smurf, but i wouldn't do that since you would end up at bronze 5 unless you are willing to improve.
honestly, you aren't even doing everything since you don't ward great every game and if you say that it doesn't help, then you are proving my point when it comes to not doing everything.
i would adc and just end up killing everyone over and over again 1v5 at bronze 5 (and if you say that's laning so that's not fair, then why don't you lane to climb until you get to a better rank?). even your soraka build isn't good, and if you think i'm wrong, then i'm just going to ask why you are bronze 5 still? if you say your team, then no one on these boards besides others in bronze 5 will agree with you, which isn't what you want.
there is just so much proof that climb can happen when good enough, you just haven't seen it and you aren't really proving anything besides you aren't good enough to climb.
Prove those people who did that didn't have a lot help? I have no help ever, so that doesnt compare. No one currently can continually carry as a Diamond, Gold, or higher level right now. NO ONE! It's just too bad.
Hell, I had a guy use to duo with go 44/2/10 and we still loss because it was 2 vs 5. SO, your point is mute. Proving something can happen once doesn't disprove the rule overall.
I wouldn't want your help because you would fail. Besides this has been done before. 12 times. 11 of them failed. Why because it's not possible to do.
I have 4 people holding me back that's why. 1 person can only do so much. The team needs to take advantage of it at some point. I don't care about you guys agreeing with me. You are brainwashed by this system so.... it doesn't matter.
I am already good enough, but even Allen Iverson couldn't win the NBA Finals against a great Lakers team and that's what you and people like you are asking of me.
hh the thinker1 votesProve those people who did that didn't have a lot help? I have no help ever, so that doesnt compare. No one currently can continually carry as a Diamond, Gold, or higher level right now. NO ONE! It's just too bad.
Hell, I had a guy use to duo with go 44/2/10 and we still loss because it was 2 vs 5. SO, your point is mute. Proving something can happen once doesn't disprove the rule overall.
I wouldn't want your help because you would fail. Besides this has been done before. 12 times. 11 of them failed. Why because it's not possible to do.
I have 4 people holding me back that's why. 1 person can only do so much. The team needs to take advantage of it at some point. I don't care about you guys agreeing with me. You are brainwashed by this system so.... it doesn't matter.
I am already good enough, but even Allen Iverson couldn't win the NBA Finals against a great Lakers team and that's what you and people like you are asking of me.
if you are set on this, then we can agree to disagree and i'll leave you alone with this post.
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if you are set on this, then we can agree to disagree and i'll leave you alone with this post.
Yeah because I am actually playing the games and you aren't. So, maybe in future you will listen instead opposing everything I say with BS! I mean really!