More hot male champions

Faeri Pinkett·Mar 4, 2014·6 votes·4,610 views

So i know someone might be a bit... "ew i'm a dude i don't want sexual males running around because i'm big and buff and tough." Please stop, you have Sivir, Ahri, Janna, Officer caitlin. I want actual hot male champions, i don't think i'm the only person - theirs other girls, and gay guys and some lesbians that would love to see hot male champions running around just to drool over. I mean, its not like i want a nude Tf - just male champs who show more skin, give us a speedo/booty shorts dude -or a completely shirtless guy whose actually HUMAN (ryze does NOT count.) Varus is hot, i must say though. Like, or atleast some skin-showing ones for the guys. :) It won't hurt, and if dudes don't want to see it, they don't have to buy it. I added some... thoughts.

39 Comments

MackleDogeMar 4, 20145 votes

Outside of the fact that saying if people don't want to see it don't buy it is ridiculous because you play with other people who may or may not buy the champion or skin, I'm not certain that over-sexualizing is the best response to over-sexualizing. Besides, you could arguably say there are plenty of attractive male champions already, it just depends on perspective and what people find attractive. Purposefully making skins to sexualize champions isn't a good thing, whether for male or female.

You can have attractive champion models without over-doing it. Lee Sin is actually a pretty good example. He's clearly physically fit, muscular, tall-ish I guess, and martially talented. Some people would say that is the perfect example of an attractive warrior male archetype. He has several skins that are more skin then clothing (Muay Thai?) and yet he isn't over-sexualized.

I suppose the entire thing isn't necessarily a bad thing, but I'd rather avoid this entire category of skins to begin with. Yes some exist already but I think overall that's a bad direction to take skin development in when there are more creative and less stereotyped options.

MXXIVMar 4, 20141 votes

But I think over-sexualising is exactly the thing that happens to female champions all the time. Look what they have done to Morgana omg!!! Sivir rework looks good at least, but I'm sure what was the point in it.

XenohpMar 4, 20143 votes

I think he's trying to say he'd rather see less over-sexualizing of woman champions than more over-sexualizing of man characters.

MXXIVMar 4, 20141 votes

Actually, might we start a topic against oversexualising the default skins at least? :D

MackleDogeMar 4, 20142 votes

That's the problem. What you're saying is "Hey, we discriminate and mistreat this group of people so lets go ahead and do the same to this group". That is just plain wrong. Riot really shouldn't be sexualizing any of the champions, it's a cheap and immature way to make money.

MXXIVMar 4, 20141 votes

"Hey, we discriminate and mistreat this group of people so lets go ahead and do the same to this group"

Would you be so kind to quote the sentence that implies that? But guess what will community do to me if I make a post about woman characters "being too sexy". And I'd love the old Morgana back so much.
But actually, I too misunderstood your post, thinking that you're saying female characters are not being over-sexualised, which would be wrong.

So yes I agree with your forst post.

MackleDogeMar 4, 20141 votes

"But I think over-sexualising is exactly the thing that happens to female champions all the time."

That to me implies that since it occurs to the female characters you believe it is fair that that happens to the male characters in return. This can be expanded by saying that over-sexualizing the female champions is mistreatment of their character and dehumanizing because it qualifies them as a sex object as opposed to a person/character. The "But" at the beginning seems to me that you are meaning it as a counter to my statement that this sort of skin development should have happened. Combining those things results in what appears to be a statement where you are saying that because the mistreatment of female characters and inappropriate skin design already exists then it should be applied to the males as well irrelevant to the fact that it is wrong to begin with.

That explanation of how I interpreted that help clear it up? I'm sure you didn't explicitly mean that (at least I hope so) but that is how it ends up looking and sounding when considered in context to the original post and my response to it, insofar as my understanding from my perspective.

MXXIVMar 4, 20142 votes

You're right. So whatever have I said, now I'm saying that I agree. I miss any monster-women or just not-sexual skins (name five properly clothed characters, Riot).
Just like someone said here: If a character is woman, it must be sexy or child-sized. I'd love the original author of this quote.

MackleDogeMar 4, 20141 votes

I agree actually, even characters like Cass are designed in such a manner that she is sexualized (though to be fair it's an inherent part of her lore as well). We need more neutral body type female characters.

Actually as far as properly clothed (and I'm going to assume you meant female) there isn't necessarily a great lack of them.

Standard Vi Skin
Safari Caitlyn

Numerous) Any Tristana skin

4)Standard Diana

5)The lunar revel Diana

There's still quite a bit after those. Riven has a few, Annie isn't (thank God). Leona has a few non-sexualized skins. They do exist, the problem isn't that they don't, the problem is that skins that blatantly abuse the mentality "sex sells" exist, and they shouldn't.

MXXIVMar 4, 20141 votes

Leona as well as Kayle are clothed pretty enough.

One more thing I wanted to say is, that I in the end also like the skins for being sexy - however I know that someone is trying to use my balls against me and that's not fair. In Czech, we have an idiom: "Underbelt hit". Originally, it meant kick in the balls, but I often also use it for marketing practices.

AbiwonKenabiMar 4, 20141 votes

I agree with this, oversexualizing both genders does not fix the problem. I do see the OP's point too though. There has to be some sort of middle ground for fanservicing both genders without sort of pissing off the other. I think Pool Party Leona is a great step towards this; she's sexualized, but in a way that is much more respectable and mature. But then again, not everyone is into that, some would prefer the more revealing bikini.

I guess the best solution would be to do a variety of things to make as many people happy as possible. The more that's interspersed with the overly sexy things, the less it becomes an issue, because there are many more options.

MackleDogeMar 4, 20141 votes

Fanservice doesn't have to be sexual in nature. I'm going to start with that, because I see a lot of people using "fanservice" as a synonym for sexual and that simply isn't the case. (I understand you weren't saying that but others are reading this as well)

There can be attractive skins that don't sexualize or over-sexualize the champion. I would say both Diana and Varus are good examples of that sort of situation. Obviously there are differences in opinion on attractive but the point stands. I don't have anything against the idea of attractive skins or attractive champions, but explicitly saying that you want a skin "to drool over" is kind of sad.

AbiwonKenabiMar 4, 20141 votes

Yes I agree maybe "fanservice" is too "sexy" a term in and of itself for most people.

I agree that making a skin "to drool over," as you poignantly put it, is bad. But fulfilling some sort of niche or fantasy (not sexual fantasy mind you--just fantasy in it's purest definition) that only a skin can fulfill.

I would point to Vi's recent skin, Officer Vi. I hated that skin initially. I was disappointed because one of the things I liked about Vi is that she didn't have to be attractive. She just had to be herself and not care what others think. I loved that. The Officer skin to me was like a big slap in the face to that idea because it was all sexy and stuff.

It took me a while but I warmed up to the skin eventually: sure it put Vi in a more sexy light, but I realized she still had that same sort of attitude in her animations, the same "I don't care" expression in the splash art that was sort of her deal. It was still Vi, the fantasy fit nicely since she is already a cop so this was just her in a modern light, and it was nice for some because she was a little sexy. I'm a lot better with the skin, but I don't think I will be buying it...that said, I can see why others do, and I think this is a success in terms of both sexualizing and respecting Vi.

MackleDogeMar 4, 20142 votes

The drooling over was actually a direct quote from the OP about what they were wanting, not something I came up with.

I think Officer Vi is actually a great example of an attractive skin (Vi is attractive to begin with in my opinion so really any skin is going to be attractive, call me weird I like a lady in armor). I don't think it's a blatantly sexualized as Officer Caitlyn but it does but a bit more emphasis on the shape of Vi as opposed to the standard skin. Oddly enough though, I actually feel Neon Strike is more form fitting as far as clothing grip to body, it just doesn't feel as sexual because of the fact it's a jumpsuit. Regardless, I feel Officer Vi fulfills a sort of alternative fantasy: What if Vi wasn't as much a rebel that she went with a futuristic cop uniform? The combination of the skin with the bike in the splash art gives me a sort of Shadowrun feel.

Faeri PinkettMar 4, 20142 votes

Think about it like this, League of Legends has a variety of female champions; Yet almost every female champion has a sexual skin. Officer Caitlin, Sheriff Caitlin, Cow Girl Miss Fortune, Almost all of Janna's skins - oh and must we even talk about Kitty Cat Katarina? i didn't feel like listing all the skins. Yes, Lee Sin is hot - yet he's the only one that has his champs style. Riot has already sexualized their female champions, and there is really nothing to be done about that. Yet i can tell you this, the amount of male champions that could actually be hot are limited to a very small few. Riot has hot - non human and human looking female characters. We have Malphite, Maokai, Volibear, Teemo, Mundo, Veigar, Thresh... the list goes on. Of humanoid champions we have - Draven whose body is covered in scars, Darius who.. Is actually pretty hot yet in a really big bulky armor, pantheon who already has a nice hot skin yet it doesn't SHOW in game how hot it is. Twisted fate is by far one of the hottest male league champs. Same with Yasuo. Yet we have no male champs that are focused on their sex. Janna was MADE to be a prostitute; Ahri was made to seduce and drain her opponent; there is no middle ground. I just want some middle ground male champions to be like ahri or janna on that front - the sexualized league characters.

MackleDogeMar 4, 20146 votes

I don't know how to state this any simpler: over-sexualizing is not the appropriate response to over-sexualizing. The sexualization of female champions in League is wrong. Sexualizing male champions does not make it right. You shouldn't want middle ground, you should want less sexualization. Why can't you have attractive characters that aren't turned into some sex symbol? I'm a guy, yea, but I don't approve of the way female characters are sexualized in League. It's immature as a company from Riot and it's a pathetic cash grab that obviously caters to the fact that the majority of their community is teenage to young adult males.

AbiwonKenabiMar 4, 20141 votes

To give Riot credit, they have at least gotten better about the sexy skins as they have matured as a company. The last sexy skin I can remember is Popstar Ahri, and even that is pretty harmless in terms of over-sexuality.

Oh I guess Heartseeker Ashe, but again, I think it's the right mix of sexy and respectful

Faeri PinkettMar 4, 20142 votes

I can see where your coming from, but lets be honest. Do you think that even if its wrong? People won't want it? I think Officer Caitlin is wrong, yet people still want it. I'm honestly thinking if they make a sexy male champ it might show some people how stupid over sexualizing is. Yeah i want it, but that's just because i want it. I don't honestly expect anyone to gaff(Give a flying fuwaffleck. Yet, even if its wrong, do you realize that saying that will only make people want it more. Because WE don't want prestigious full body covered characters half the time, we want something good to look at. Or something cool enough to interest us, if league had customization clothing options other than skins that'd be one thing - i'd be wearing clothes that i think are cute. but they don't, and even now i tend to go for cute skins for champions. I just think it'd be fun to see some males - or atleast riot can go rework every female champ and add BRAS.

MackleDogeMar 4, 20141 votes

You can have something that is good to look at without over-sexualizing the champion. Attractive doesn't equal sex. They can be separate things. Leona's standard skin is very attractive as is Leona. She isn't sexualized and she is fully armored, still attractive. How do you not get that? The same thing exists for male champions. Objectively, Varus, Twisted Fate, Darius, Jarvan IV, and more are all attractive even when armored or wearing clothes. You don't have to sexualize them to make them attractive.

As far as what people want, I couldn't care less. This community has shown repeatedly that they are immature and incapable of making responsible decisions. Riot as a company will not stop making immature skin decisions or engaging in disrespectful business practices until the community actually has the decency to require them to. If you want to just ignore the problem to be a pervert, go right on ahead, that's your right.

And for the record, your opinion is you, you don't get to speak for a we.

Faeri PinkettMar 4, 20142 votes

We because i know many gamers who dislike the bulky armor and full body coverings. And Varus actually is shirtless. and he doesn't even have pants, thats his literal legs. he's basically nude. Also - Tf, darius, jarvan - think about that for a moment, your saying attractive when wearing armor or clothes? Would they be more attractive if you could see their ripped muscular chests? or would you honestly think people would Favor the armor to the chest? :) and immaturity is pg-13. the Adults like the r rated stuff, think for a few moments before you start thinking sexual skins are immature.

MackleDogeMar 4, 20142 votes

Your opinion = you. I don't see any we here, just you.

And no, they wouldn't be more attractive shirtless, they'd be more sexualized. Are you not aware that different words mean different things or something? There is a difference between attractive and sexual. They can coincide but they are not the same thing. That's important, you might not think so personally, but it is.

As far as age, League is available to players of all ages, so why don't you think before going around asking for sexual skins. Not to mention the cultural differences that you have to consider because League is an international game. It's insensitivity to other people and selfish statements like that which show that this community isn't capable of making mature and educated decisions about much of anything.

AbiwonKenabiMar 6, 20142 votes

Well...I think TF is fine with his shirt on....

KaineMar 5, 20143 votes

You got Vel Koz.

Velkoz

/thread

Also what are Graves Varus Pantheon Draven Jayce Yasuo Tryndamere Aatrox Kassadin LeeSin Malzahar Ryze

You have: The Shirtless Bear (Graves, pool Party, Hugh Jackman) Varus (the abs of the forsaken) Mantheon (with the mankini) Draven (the beautiful one), Jayce (because a tux is better than nude) Yasou (my past is as tortured as my abs), Tryndamere (rage pecs), Aatrox (Darkin abs), Brand (burning hot) Kassawin ( The void workout, all that walking ), Lee Sin (because what's your excuse), Malzahar (Because Kassawins rift workout is for newbs), Ryze (his big scroll wink)

I mean You might need a Firefighter Jayce skin but that's a pretty diverse set of sexual fantasies. I think what's confusing you, understandably, is that we have all these OTHER alternatives:

Amumu Blitzcrank Corki Darius Ezreal Fiddlesticks Gangplank Garen Gragas Hecarim JarvanIV Jax Karthus Kennen Khazix KogMaw Lucian Maokai MasterYi Mordekaiser Nasus Nautilus Nocturne Nunu Olaf Rammus Renekton Rengar Rumble Shaco Shen Singed Sion Swain Talon Taric Teemo Thresh Trundle TwistedFate Udyr Twitch Urgot Veigar Viktor Vladimir MonkeyKing XinZhao Yorick Zac Zed Ziggs Zilean

While the women have just: Diana Annie Anivia Fiora Irelia Jinx Karma Leona Lissandra Lux Morgana Nami Orianna Quinn Sejuani Shyvana Sona Soraka Syndra Tristana Vayne

What you really want are more female champs.

P.S. If you think they look like men without their shirt on... you're going to be very very disappointed

AbiwonKenabiMar 5, 20141 votes

How did Garen and Lucian not make it to your top list? Garen has a popular fan skin called "Unprepared Garen" where he has nothing but a towel, that's not even mentioning Rugged Garen. And Lucian...well, I like Lucian, so I guess it's personal bias. XD He's got such a cool style...

KaineMar 6, 20141 votes

Lucian is a badass before he's a bad.. Ass if you follow, while rugged Garen splash vs ingame = broken hearts

AbiwonKenabiMar 6, 20142 votes

C'mon but....Unprepared Garen

AbiwonKenabiMar 4, 20142 votes

Personally, I think the more attractive male champions wear more clothes. TF is one I always liked; he just has that devil-may-care attitude and awesome style to match. That's more attractive to me personally than any shirtless dude in League.

VlaedonMar 5, 20142 votes

Well, where to begin? ah yes first a disclaimer: I have been told that my writings read as a bit...aggressive? This is not the case and I ask you to hear my word in a calm voice. I digress; There seem to be a few main issues here that have developed and I'll say something on each:

1 Female champs being over-sexualized

2 whether or not to do the same with male champs

3 male/female differences in sexualizing.

OK,(gathers thoughts) First female champs will be over sexualized here. This game falls into a market of fantasy fulfillment( the truth of this should be self apparent) RIOT makes their money off of satisfying the fantastic desires of their customers, for them it is business. Its there plain and simple, accept and move on. Difficult/irritating for some I'm sure but it is just a taste of the real world. Debate the morals of it if you want but I will not condemn RIOT for Sexualizing a fictional Champion of their own creation to help provide for themselves and their familes, and certainly not for doing so in a market where such products are desired and to some extent expected.

Next, the same is done to male champions. Every champion in league is sexualized, it is very nearly impossible to make it otherwise.(everbody likes something different, so there is always someone who likes whatever you made) I will address this sexualizing of males in detail in a moment. PinknBlack what I believe what you are asking for is a particular brand of sexualizing of male champs that is apart from the current norm of the sexualized male champs. As for should you get it? Sure, power to you, far be it from me to deny you your desire, especially here in this market I mentioned earlier.

And lastly the differences in sexualization. In the simplest terms, males and females sexualized are sexualized in VERY different ways but the prevalence remains more or less equal over all. The cliff notes version of the differences is this:

Females are made to be enticing, everything about their character and appearance links directly to the physical act of sex.

Males have their physical, mental, or social power emphasized. Or some combination there of. There is still some of the same sexual aspects that the females have but those take a back seat. You can see this in Kainel's post, the fantasy line up there seems to focus on physical prowess rather than the obsession with privates (breasts, butt, and crotch) that we men folk seem to have.

In short these differences are the result of over 2000 years of human society and survival tactics. Throughout history males have been the providers and females the homemakers. So females made themselves sexy to appeal to the males so that they might have a man to provide for them, and sought out men who were powerful in some way, and vice versa.

So sexualization is here, its a game, RIOT's bussiness, and no its not only the females who have it done to them. Though you could make the argument that the female version of sexualization objectifies them, but I would put it to you to not let that bother unless you or someone you know is objectified and not a fictional character. Because at that point you are objectified whoever is doing it is having trouble keeping fantasy and reality separate, which is a whole OTHER issue than what is being spoken of here.

Now I've rambled enough and despite the post's length I tried to keep it short. So if you have a question or disagree I'm open that but I tried to cover what I could/had thoughts on.

AbiwonKenabiMar 5, 20142 votes

Your point is well made, but you write off objectification as no biggie, when really it should be a biggie. I agree that we shouldn't break down Riot's door or start a ...er riot, or anything, but we should still say something and be like "hey, we don't like this. It's wrong."

Objectifying a fictional character is better than objectifying an actual person, of course. But we are a society highly influenced by media and the things we interact with (namely the internet). If we (or whoever) are taught to objectify these female characters, then that in turn causes us to tend to objectify real life women too. Let's say you were a guy that just had trouble socially, and all you really did was play League; when you finally met a real woman, what would you think? If this guy was never taught properly, he might not respect women as just another fellow human being the way he ought to..."She's just a sex object or a hot bod to look at."

Obviously, this is an extreme example, but the underlying principle applies. We need strong role models in society (or in this game in particular) so we learn from them the way to treat people. Our fantasies should be a reflection of the way society ought to be. We also need to be mature enough to know what's right or wrong before we start enjoying something like sexualization in our LoL (or any game for that matter). And we need to know when to say "this is too much."

Anywho, got way too intense there, but the basic gist is "monkey see, monkey do"...generally...or, well technically humans are apes..ah whatever.

VlaedonMar 6, 20142 votes

I see your point however, you are essentially placing the blame at the feet of the game (if not RIOT it self) for the hypothetical misdoings of the socially inept. If a person objectifies another person it is their wrong doing and no one else's. I'm sorry but you are essentially making the same argument as those who assert that video games make violent children and guns kill people. That train of thought diverts fault from those who commit the deeds and places it at the feet of of the tool (gun, game, ect).

As for the assertion that our fantasies ought to be a reflection of what society ought to be...I disagree. Fantasies ought to be the fleshing out of out every desire. They serve as something of a pressure valve to our spyche. Even the purest saint has dark desires, it is their ability to resist temptation that makes them good, and just so fantasy and reality ought to be differentiated in out minds and for those who fail in this it is their fault not that of a company such as RIOT nor their product.

And your "monkey see, monkey do" comment, I would put it to you that nothing can be idiot proof, nor should it be. Idiot proofing as a concept in practice stifles thought and cows the masses and ought not be encouraged.

AbiwonKenabiMar 6, 20143 votes

You definitely bring up valid points, especially concerning placing sole blame on video games. I guess to clarify what I really mean: playing a game containing something clearly wrong (objectification, violence or otherwise) is not bad in itself, but the person playing has to be smart enough or mature enough to say "I know this is wrong, and should only be in this game, not in real life." Objectifying a human being in a game, while I don't agree with it, is fine as long as you understand it is wrong.

All the time I see people jokingly using bad stereotypes like, for example, a black person eating watermelon or grape drink or whatever. Some people think it's funny because they know its so wrong; this is racist and not true. But others don't realize there's anything wrong with it, and laugh at it because they think it's true.

Blaming video games for things like violent crimes is definitely something that bothers me, so I'm glad you called me out on that. Seriously, if people played the games before handing it to their impressionable children, or hey, look at a rating where someone else has already done the work for you, we'd be a lot better off.

VlaedonMar 7, 20142 votes

That does clarify things quite a bit. While I might say that I don't think it wrong for such things to be in a Game because it is in fact in a game not real life. But I shall leave it be for I think at this point we very nearly agree on the main issue here and I'd rather not soil that with nitpicking semantics.( Finding the right words to convey meaning or settling the smallest of points) As for those who play the game needing to be mature enough to keep reality and fantasy separate...well I dearly wish it were so but there are those who are less than able to do so; but such is the way of the world and it lies to those of us that have a good head on our shoulders to correct and compensate for such people does it not?

RubitonabuildingMar 4, 20141 votes

How do I vote for all three? xD

I'm developing a (potentially) sexy male champ (that has no reason to wear a shirt) right now, actually.

So I'll specify in my post that he doesn't wear a shirt. Just to make you happy :P

RubitonabuildingMar 4, 20141 votes

He would have a massive beard though, I hope that's not a turnoff. xD

Faeri PinkettMar 4, 20141 votes

And not really a 'turn' off as long as your not going so far as zilean's beard. thats too far. lolol

Faeri PinkettMar 4, 20141 votes

<3 you (i'm trying to figure out a reply to the huge argument up at the top of the comments) And link me your champ :) when you get it done.

Witch of FateDec 22, 20141 votes

I agree that the male champions aren't that attractive. The female champs are all super sexualized, and I don't think they should create a super sexualized male champ. But I would still like a male champ to be able to fangirl over a bit, you know? In the threads about this subject people talk about how fit and hot some of the male champs are, like Lee Sin, Darius, and... I don't know. But while they have idealized physical bodies, they just aren't attractive. Maybe this is only personal opinion, but attractiveness isn't only about musculature. We never get to see Lee Sin's eyes (I know they were burned away, but eyes are the windows to the soul.) Tryndamere and Darius are bloodthirsty killers. For female champs, I guess the whole "dangerous and sexy" thing works, but that doesn't work the same way with the male characters. For the danger element, you need a character like Sebastian from Black Butler, or (I'm sorry) Edward form Twilight. (I hate Twilight, but there was a reason it was popular with so many girls!) There are other components of attractiveness.

I might be throwing myself under the bridge, but I think currently the most "fangirl-ready" champs are Ezreal, Garen, and Malzahar. Ezreal isn't bad looking, his character seems down-to-earth, but cool and confident. And he doesn't look like his muscles are going to explode. Garen is very muscular, but not ultra bulging, and he's a knight, which is like, the classic fantasy guy. Malzahar isn't super muscular either, or super sexualized, but he's fit and dangerous in a cool way. "The Prophet of the Void." Dangerous, distant. But still kind of human. I guess being a human being is just something I find attractive in a guy. Not a monster or a living bicep.

I think Riot tries to make the melee champs seem super muscular and bulky as a visual indicator of their play style. So enemies can see what kind of champ they are against. Stuff like that probably goes into champion designs too. And, overall, it is a matter of taste. But I've played League for a long time, and I have fangirled for even longer. So I just think a toned down, cool and attractive champ is the solution. Not a guy who is unnaturally muscular, not someone purple (looking at your Ryze) or on fire (Brand IS hot, but not in the way I'm talking about,) or covered in blood, revenge, and gore. If Riot did it right, I'm sure such a character could expand the fanbase.

I mean, have you seen fangirling? Riot should really be trying to harness that storm.