I have played so many ranked games but haven't advanced outside of bronze. I know I'm not the best player out there but still shouldn't I have improved to the point where i can carry myself after playing x amount of games? I dont know but it seems abnormal to me that I have played so many games in ranked but haven't even advanced outside of bronze is this normal?
Stephenizgod2 votesHmm well when i first started Ranked i played a buncha different champions i think. I think i went 6 wins 4 losses and was placed in Bronze 3, i dont remember exactly. Then i just spammed Garen, Malzahar, and Soraka (mostly Soraka) until i was Silver. Garen got me through most of Silver, but he wasnt as reliable as he was in Bronze so i ended up staying Silver, although i did reach (and failed) my promos for Gold about 3-4 times.
Basically just spam a champion you are really really good with. If you get good with someone like Zed you will probably hit high Silver pretty quickly, but right now many consider him "freelo" so you wont get any respect lol. Im probably not the best person to get advice from since im not even Gold, but i was in Bronze once and i rose to Silver (and judging from your match history you are better then i am)
Demonsolder211 votesThanks for the advice and no im not better than you but thanks for the flatter lol.
Stephenizgod1 votesHaha well your average K/D/A is better then mine so is your CS. The CS is important too.
Tsunday1 votesI don't believe that spamming Zed will get someone to Silver quickly anymore. He's a pretty big pick/ban in a highly contested role. I see him banned in a lot of Bronze/Silver games and I see him played in a good amount of the ones he's not banned in. On top of mid often going to first or second pick in low elo you'd have to account for nobody to ban him, pick him, or take mid before you. If you're gonna be a one trick pony you gotta find something you consider 'sleeper OP'. Someone strong in the meta, preferably who works well in multiple lanes (you can do Zed top but nobody wants to pick a tank in low elo so I find that you end up with a really squishy team and it doesn't work as well), and you do well at but someone who isn't seen as "OP" in terms of people everyone wants banned.
Demonsolder211 votesWell my favorite champion that I rely on the most is Malzahar. He is never banned in bronze elo. Anyways you raise a very good point in picking champs that are sleeper op and are never banned.
Tsunday1 votesI love Malz (read I suck at mid so I go 1/10 as Malz and have a lot of fun doing it). I think 'sleeper OP' is very subjective (hence the quotes) but there are definitely strong picks that don't see a lot of play/ban. Malz is a good example honestly since he does well agains tower dives that a lot of overbearing mids can pull off while avoiding aggro, he's a good lane bully, and I find AoE comps to be very good in Bronze as long as you guys don't all feed during laning. In low elo I swear they all stand on top of each other like it's -10 degrees and then it's like free full team fiddle, ori, malph, amumu ult....all at the same time. Wooo. I'm not even saying this as somebody in 'high elo'. I'm in mid Silver and everyone still bunches up to teams of 3 or so large AoE DPS abilities :C
Tsunday2 votesI have played so many ranked games
Playing a lot of ranked games only makes a difference if your skill is above the ranking you're at.
I know I'm not the best player out there but still shouldn't I have improved to the point where i can carry myself after playing x amount of games?
Pretty sure 50th percentile is somewhere in low/mid silver so not necessarily. Also just because you're playing a bunch of games doesn't mean you're improving. I could play 1000 games but if I make the same mistakes it doesn't mean I'm automatically going to advance in ranking just because I played 1000 games.
to the point where i can carry myself
That's assuming you're playing a carry role, that you are proficient in the carry role, and you've actually gotten to the skill level in which you can act as a better carry than the enemy carry. As a support main I believe I did a lot of work to get myself out of Bronze, but I did do the 50k damage that turned games around, I couldn't have won them without an actual carry. It doesn't matter what my skill level is, if I'm not playing a carry there's no reason to try to force myself to play Annie support every game to 'carry myself out'. Know the place of your role and outplay your opponent, if you don't play an actual carry role let the 15/7 Yas think he carried the game because he probably provided the damage to get you where you are even if he is noob.
is this normal?
It's normal that you can play a whole bunch of games against people of your actual skill level and then not rise, yes. I'm not saying you're necessarily Bronze skill level, but assuming you are Bronze in skill level it'd be normal that after thousands of games you could still be in Bronze if you didn't actually improve.
it seems abnormal to me that I have played so many games in ranked but haven't even advanced outside of bronze
Stop looking at ranked as trying to advance, but as trying to win each individual game, start looking at which champions you do well on statistically in ranked, start looking at what you did wrong when you lost a game. You should be looking to improve your play not raise your elo because improving your play is what improves your elo in the end.
Demonsolder211 votesWow thank you very much for the feedback!
Tsunday2 votesNo problem. I'll be honest I spent like 600 games in Bronze 3 before I really got to Silver. Maybe part of it was that I'd only been playing for 2 months when I started ranked, but a big part of it was thinking I had to be above bronze and that I was super good and that even though I was supporting as Nami I could totally just build full AP and carry and then thinking that loses weren't my fault. I've played games recently where I'll have a 1/10 teammate and I'll be like "yeah okay it would have been easier if he hadn't fed, but I was playing ADC I was the one doing the DPS and I got caught out in X, Y, and Z teamfights allowing myself to die and lose this teamfight that lose us a tower or this one that lost us dragon" because even if you end up with a perfect KDA and participate in every kill if you lost the game there was something you could have done. There's absolutely no way they could take all of the towers and the nexus while you're defending the towers/global objectives and not dying. You had to have died or made a stupid rotation or something if the enemy team got to your nexus.
http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/38309847#ranked-stats
Lolking is really nice at telling you who you're doing well with though. I normally look by both winrate and 'performance' to see who I'm doing particularly well at.
Demonsolder211 votesI have a question if you don't mind, does the outcome of the game depend solely in your laning phase or is it instead determined by team fights.
Tsunday2 votesthe whole game is important. the game is determined by laning phase if your team doesn't screw up. If you all lane well, if you stack dragons well, if you ward well in lane, and then go into teamfighting phase making good rotations, focusing towers, and knowing where the enemies are before committing to a fight you shouldn't give up your lead.
If you lose lane a good teamfight can turn the game around. Catching enemies out, forcing uneven teamfights, sneaking objectives/towers.
I don't want to say it's all about teamfights or laning because it really depends on both. You never want to go into a bad teamfight, and you never want to feed in lane. Each game is different. If they're 10 kills ahead when you get to teamfights and you try to 5v5 as long as they don't get greedy and chase kills they should win, but if you're pretty even during laning and the gold on the teams are even teamfighting is a lot more of a deciding factor.
You really have to use your best judgement on these things. You want to try to have the superior laning as well as the superior teamfighting. It doesn't matter if you wreck in lane if you then throw all the teamfights by going in 3v5, it doesn't matter if you lose lane if the enemy never groups and you start picking off the enemy team.
There really isn't a cut and dry answer to a question like that since LoL is a game with a lot of deciding factors.
Demonsolder211 votesThank you so very much for this valuable insight.
For Ashe1 votesIf your mmr is really irrevocably bad then you should consider playing on a new account
Demonsolder211 votesIm confused what does mmr have to do with my skills?
Tsunday2 votesyour MMR is your matchmaking rating. They pair you with people who have similar MMR, and the more games you play the more certain the system is in that being your skill level. What For Ashe is saying that if you've really played a whole bunch of games in Bronze it's going to try to not give you a lot of LP gain for wins (until you get on a big winstreak) because the game believes that if you win 2 or 3 games in a row it's probably just a lucky streak not you really being better than your Elo. A new account would have you playing with level 30s a lot faster (at level 27 my bf was playing against plats on his smurf and he's G2 on his main) and when you start ranked for the first time it looks to your normals MMR while creating your ranked MMR so if you were playing against Silver/Gold players when you started ranked on a fresh account it would try to place you around there in ranked (assuming you did well in your promos).
For Ashe2 votesI'm not talking about your skills. If your mmr is very, very low, as in far below that of your Bronze tier average, you'll only get a slight LP increase when you win, but a huge LP decrease when you lose. I do not know the exact numbers, but you might lose all the LP you gained for winning 3 - 4 games by losing once, so it is very hard to climb up the ladder, even if you have more than enough skills to make it out of there. Plus, it's Bronze, and people often troll for no apparent reason.. which more or less makes it even harder to get out of bronze. It isn't impossible, but it is very hard to get out of bronze if you're in mmr "hellgate". In which case it is more time efficient to make a new account, take the 10 provisional matches, and get to the tier you actually belong, given that you do deserve it.