Let's be real: Elo Hell is real.

Lyless·Oct 13, 2015·2 votes·995 views

I am getting stuck with just horrible teams! I mean, this is stupid. I get one team that's okay and works together. The next one they fight and argue before we even pick the champs. I always last of next last pick meaning I have to be support or adc. Most support meaning I can't carry or have any impact on winning game. Why? Because the top will go AFK which has happned the last 4 losses. They just quit. Then like the last game the jg can't jg. Or lately I get a weird adc choice like Vel . This is not right, I have literally am getting no chance to win. I am trying my ass off playing custom games 1 vs 2 to improve. And then I get stuck with this crap. Something has to change quick because no one can carry with teams like this.

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Apex LiarOct 13, 20154 votes

I'm a Plat 4 Mid/Support main and I can confirm that ELO Hell exists. Unfortunately, ELO Hell is in every ELO until you get to Master most likely.

It's been a while since I been in Bronze, but if I recall; there were a lot more AFK's and Trolls in that ELO than any other ELO. This is most likely having to do with people down in Bronze not caring. Simply put, most of them don't play this game to get better.

It's not just Bronze through, Platinum is your most toxic ELO. In relation to "CHAT BANS" , "RANKED RESTRICTION" and "PERMA BANS"; Platinum has the highest. So every game, that top lane Malphite is going to criticize every single mistake you make in game. Let's say you're up 15-5 - enemy ashe gets a lucky double kill making it 15-7 and now your Jg Xin Zhao is typing in ALL CHAT "GG randoms threw the game" and "report bot lane, intentionally feeding.".

Diamond most likely you will find someone that may be Bronze/SIlver/Gold but was boosted up there because they think they deserve it.

But I can tell you, if you are stuck in a specific ELO, you are there for a reason. You need to learn the game and you can carry yourself out of any ELO. The only reason you are still Bronze, is the fact that you gave up because you think it's your teammates holding you back; is the reason you are still there. The only thing holding you in BRONZE ELO HELL is yourself.

LylessOct 13, 20151 votes

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I'm a Plat 4 Mid/Support main and I can confirm that ELO Hell exists. Unfortunately, ELO Hell is in every ELO until you get to Master most likely.

It's been a while since I been in Bronze, but if I recall; there were a lot more AFK's and Trolls in that ELO than any other ELO. This is most likely having to do with people down in Bronze not caring. Simply put, most of them don't play this game to get better.

It's not just Bronze through, Platinum is your most toxic ELO. In relation to "CHAT BANS" , "RANKED RESTRICTION" and "PERMA BANS"; Platinum has the highest. So every game, that top lane Malphite is going to criticize every single mistake you make in game. Let's say you're up 15-5 - enemy ashe gets a lucky double kill making it 15-7 and now your Jg Xin Zhao is typing in ALL CHAT "GG randoms threw the game" and "report bot lane, intentionally feeding.".

Diamond most likely you will find someone that may be Bronze/SIlver/Gold but was boosted up there because they think they deserve it.

But I can tell you, if you are stuck in a specific ELO, you are there for a reason. You need to learn the game and you can carry yourself out of any ELO. The only reason you are still Bronze, is the fact that you gave up because you think it's your teammates holding you back; is the reason you are still there. The only thing holding you in BRONZE ELO HELL is yourself.

I don't agree with that. You haven't played these games that I have. Where people just give and afks mid game. Oh a Tahm that trolls? Maybe in the beginning it was because of me. But now it's not.

Apex LiarOct 13, 20153 votes

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I don't agree with that. You haven't played these games that I have. Where people just give and afks mid game. Oh a Tahm that trolls? Maybe in the beginning it was because of me. But now it's not.

You just keep telling yourself that it's other people holding you back. The reality is, you suck. Get better, carry your team, don't tell me it can't be done either, me and plenty of other players have gotten out of Bronze.

LylessOct 13, 20151 votes

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You just keep telling yourself that it's other people holding you back. The reality is, you suck. Get better, carry your team, don't tell me it can't be done either, me and plenty of other players have gotten out of Bronze.

I already know I suck, but if you pair me with people that suck as bad or as worse then I won't get any better. Very few people get out. Far more people quit. What number is plenty? How much help did you have? What kind of team did you have?

SmokedAlmondsOct 13, 20153 votes

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I already know I suck, but if you pair me with people that suck as bad or as worse then I won't get any better. Very few people get out. Far more people quit. What number is plenty? How much help did you have? What kind of team did you have?

Is there really a solution to people who are dissatisfied with their own skill level though?

LylessOct 13, 20151 votes

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Is there really a solution to people who are dissatisfied with their own skill level though?

I am sick of this crap. Not pairing them with people who are worse than me would be a start. I play up not down to my skill level.

SmokedAlmondsOct 13, 20154 votes

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I am sick of this crap. Not pairing them with people who are worse than me would be a start. I play up not down to my skill level.

You aren't being matched with people worse than you. You just have a warped view of your own skill.

LylessOct 13, 20151 votes

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You aren't being matched with people worse than you. You just have a warped view of your own skill.

When I am paired with people that can't push, can't stop pushing, don't ward, don't have any concenpt of team work, go 3 vs 1, no map awareness, I could keep going. All things I don't do.

SmokedAlmondsOct 13, 20153 votes

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When I am paired with people that can't push, can't stop pushing, don't ward, don't have any concenpt of team work, go 3 vs 1, no map awareness, I could keep going. All things I don't do.

That could be true. But that doesn't mean you don't have equivalent weakness in other areas that put you at the same overall level as them. The most glaring thing I noticed watching your games is that you stand around a lot, have poor map awareness(which is particularly bad since you play soraka and have the ability to ult for other lanes), and play ULTRA passive in fights and frequently don't fully engage in fights.

kureransuOct 13, 20151 votes

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The most glaring thing I noticed watching your games is that you stand around a lot, have poor map awareness(which is particularly bad since you play soraka and have the ability to ult for other lanes), and play ULTRA passive in fights and frequently don't fully engage in fights.

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I think most of us lack basic foundations such as developing situational item builds, warding period, Map awareness, and exactly what your job is as the role you picked as well as where you should be in skirmishes.

Like i said....

SmokedAlmondsOct 13, 20152 votes

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Like i said....

Right, But I watched some of his games. So I was giving actual feedback on his play not just likely hoods.

So things that are actually happening with video evidence. If he can't see it with that then hes lying to himself if not us.

kureransuOct 13, 20151 votes

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Right, But I watched some of his games. So I was giving actual feedback on his play not just likely hoods.

So things that are actually happening with video evidence. If he can't see it with that then hes lying to himself if not us.

I know, I was saying that's those are general folliies for most us bronzies, but he said it was unrealistic.

LylessOct 13, 20151 votes

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That could be true. But that doesn't mean you don't have equivalent weakness in other areas that put you at the same overall level as them. The most glaring thing I noticed watching your games is that you stand around a lot, have poor map awareness(which is particularly bad since you play soraka and have the ability to ult for other lanes), and play ULTRA passive in fights and frequently don't fully engage in fights.

It is true! I am not a liar! Did you see the last game? The Voilbear quit. Just said bye and quit. The Nasus kept feeding top. These are typical games for me. I can't win under those conditions. This was as Nocturne. I feel like you guys don't even watch the games, where someone rages and leaves. You guys act that somehow that doesn't matter. It happens in almost 50% of my games. I can't win like that.

SmokedAlmondsOct 13, 20153 votes

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It is true! I am not a liar! Did you see the last game? The Voilbear quit. Just said bye and quit. The Nasus kept feeding top. These are typical games for me. I can't win under those conditions. This was as Nocturne. I feel like you guys don't even watch the games, where someone rages and leaves. You guys act that somehow that doesn't matter. It happens in almost 50% of my games. I can't win like that.

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Ok, watching your game now. Where your team cleanly got a kill and disengaged while you, at half health, proceed to try and tower dive lux with elise on you 1v2 and die.

I have little doubt you blame that on your team mates "abandoning you" but the fight was over, you won the exchange. But you decided to reengage by yourself.

Apex LiarOct 13, 20151 votes

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I already know I suck, but if you pair me with people that suck as bad or as worse then I won't get any better. Very few people get out. Far more people quit. What number is plenty? How much help did you have? What kind of team did you have?

K, have fun staying in Bronze.

Sightless66Oct 13, 20152 votes

How much help did you have?

None. Had to win anyway.

What kind of team did you have?

From my perspective, I got afks way more often than the enemy did. I can't tell you if that's true. The thing is, you're not really being matched with people worse than what the enemy team is being matched with. Over time, they're going to get pretty much the same distribution of crappy people that you do. You're less inclined to notice it because it's way easier to focus on the crap that's on our own teams, but you're not being screwed nearly as hard by matchmaking as you think you are. Statistically, it's just so unlikely that you're always getting worse teammates by enough of a degree to matter.

Even though I thought I was being matched with people who were dragging me down, I had to win anyway. I was better than my lane opponents, so I got fed, and I carried. I stopped making stupid greedy decisions midgame and shotcalled for my team. I couldn't win every game doing that, but I didn't need to. I won more than I lost, even though I thought my team was worse than theirs. If you're good, you can do the same.

if you pair me with people that suck as bad or as worse then I won't get any better.

Sure you will. You just have to focus on getting better by examining your own mistakes.

Try this: Ignore every single thing your team does wrong. Do they feed? You don't care. Do they troll? You don't care. You can't control it, so it doesn't matter. Just ignore it. You will never improve by focusing on what your team is messing up.

Only focus on the things you do wrong. You're making a million mistakes every game, so focus on fixing them. Did you win your lane? You definitely could have. If you didn't, then what mistakes did you make, and how can you fix it so that you do next time? Are you missing any CS? Why? Did you waste any time when you might have been able to roam, or did you sit around waiting for kills when you could have been farming? These mistakes are so common, and you don't need to play against people better than you to eliminate them.

The process to getting better starts with eliminating your mistakes and recognizing the mistakes that your enemies are making, and trust me, they're making a ton of mistakes.

A lot of us have played at your level. We've gotten out by getting better. You can do the same.

LylessOct 13, 20151 votes

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None. Had to win anyway.

From my perspective, I got afks way more often than the enemy did. I can't tell you if that's true. The thing is, you're not really being matched with people worse than what the enemy team is being matched with. Over time, they're going to get pretty much the same distribution of crappy people that you do. You're less inclined to notice it because it's way easier to focus on the crap that's on our own teams, but you're not being screwed nearly as hard by matchmaking as you think you are. Statistically, it's just so unlikely that you're always getting worse teammates by enough of a degree to matter.

Even though I thought I was being matched with people who were dragging me down, I had to win anyway. I was better than my lane opponents, so I got fed, and I carried. I stopped making stupid greedy decisions midgame and shotcalled for my team. I couldn't win every game doing that, but I didn't need to. I won more than I lost, even though I thought my team was worse than theirs. If you're good, you can do the same.

Sure you will. You just have to focus on getting better by examining your own mistakes.

Try this: Ignore every single thing your team does wrong. Do they feed? You don't care. Do they troll? You don't care. You can't control it, so it doesn't matter. Just ignore it. You will never improve by focusing on what your team is messing up.

Only focus on the things you do wrong. You're making a million mistakes every game, so focus on fixing them. Did you win your lane? You definitely could have. If you didn't, then what mistakes did you make, and how can you fix it so that you do next time? Are you missing any CS? Why? Did you waste any time when you might have been able to roam, or did you sit around waiting for kills when you could have been farming? These mistakes are so common, and you don't need to play against people better than you to eliminate them.

The process to getting better starts with eliminating your mistakes and recognizing the mistakes that your enemies are making, and trust me, they're making a ton of mistakes.

I see you don't watch any of my games or what happens. I wasn't in a lane. I was jg. The support quit at lvl 6. The top fed heavily. I cant just focus on me. Why? Because they will come after me, fed and then I will lose when they gang up on me, I don't see where you don't get that.

Sightless66Oct 13, 20151 votes

I see you don't watch any of my games or what happens. I wasn't in a lane. I was jg.

Then you're making mistakes in the jungle. If you want me to spectate your games and tell you exactly what you're doing wrong, I can do that, but I can also just give you a list of jungling mistakes and general mistakes and I guarantee you that you're making most of them.

The support quit at lvl 6. The top fed heavily

Stop stop stop stop stop. You are focusing way, way, way too hard on the games that are out of your control. Yes, you're going to have games where someone quits and you can't win. We all have those games. I had plenty of them when I climed up to where I am. The thing is though, the enemy is having those games too. They're getting leavers, they're getting ragers, they're qutting, and you're not paying as much attention to it as you

I guarantee you, 100%, that you're underestimating the number of times where the enemies are raging at each other or one of their players quits. I can guarantee that because every single player in this game does it. It's a basic attribution bias. When people do well, they attribute it to themselves. When they do poorly, they blame it on someone else. It's basic human trait. You're not an exception, so recognize that you're doing it.

And do you know what the most important thing is: none of that matters, because you can't control it. All that you can control is how you play, and if you're always playing better than everyone else, you'll win more games than you lose.

I cant just focus on me. Because they will come after me, fed and then I will lose when they gang up on me,

Yes, you can focus on you. Getting pissed about the mistakes your teammates make won't stop your enemies from getting fed. Is it working for you now? Serious question, is paying attention to the mistakes your teammates make helping you? Are you getting better because of it? Of course you're not.

When you focus on yourself, and only pay attention to mistakes you make with an intention of fixing them, then you'll improve. If you blame all your losses on your teammates, you're not going to get better. (and don't point any more solitary games where you had an afk. It's not happening so much to you that you can't succeed.)

NO MISTAKE MATTERS UNLESS IT IS A MISTAKE YOU MADE! Period. End of story. You're making mistakes, and if you weren't, you wouldn't be bronze. That's all there is to it. Go find out what they are and fix them.

Edit: And you won a 4v5 as Nocturne. Good job. You did make a TON of mistakes that we can go over if you want, but you did better than your opponents and that's all that really matters.

redniwediSOct 13, 20152 votes

If elo hell is real why does every example of it seem to exist in every rank?

Is there anything not in elo hell? Or is ranked elo hell?

LylessOct 13, 20151 votes

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If elo hell is real why does every example of it seem to exist in every rank?

Is there anything not in elo hell? Or is ranked elo hell?

It doesn't exist in every rank. It only exists in ranked. Stop being stupid.

redniwediSOct 13, 20151 votes

Trust me, the entirety of ranked is elo hell, or nothing of it is. If you don't believe me watch some diamond streams, you'll see people cry about not getting mid and people who purposely feed just because an ally is in their promotionals.

kureransuOct 13, 20152 votes

We as a collective in bronze tend to think we're better than we actually are, and are quick to criticize others for not doing as well, and are really easy to put on tilt. The reality is most of use have horrible win rates, and abysmal KDAs.

I think most of us lack basic foundations such as developing situational item builds, warding period,Map awareness, and exactly what your job is as the role you picked as well as where you should be in skirmishes. As someone who started in B5 and is now in promos for S5, I can say that if you start getting better at these, you WILL carry your team and yourself. Also pick a couple champs and know the ins and outs with them. Also know your match ups. Stay calm and encourage your team to help out when you see a weakenss. You have to be the one that pings blatant ganks when your teammate clearly isn't looking at the minimap. It's a battle, but once it clicks for you, wins pour in... until you hit your next skill wall.

LylessOct 13, 20151 votes

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We as a collective in bronze tend to think we're better than we actually are, and are quick to criticize others for not doing as well, and are really easy to put on tilt. The reality is most of use have horrible win rates, and abysmal KDAs.

I think most of us lack basic foundations such as developing situational item builds, warding period,Map awareness, and exactly what your job is as the role you picked as well as where you should be in skirmishes. As someone who started in B5 and is now in promos for S5, I can say that if you start getting better at these, you WILL carry your team and yourself. Also pick a couple champs and know the ins and outs with them. Also know your match ups. Stay calm and encourage your team to help out when you see a weakenss. You have to be the one that pings blatant ganks when your teammate clearly isn't looking at the minimap. It's a battle, but once it clicks for you, wins pour in... until you hit your next skill wall.

Dude, that was the most unrealistic thing I have ever heard. Most of the games I get my teammates are fighting before we get to actual game. Most of this stuff you say to do, I do. I know what I am doing and what I don't know I am becoming aware.

EndlessSorcererOct 13, 20152 votes

ELO Hell is the rank at which you are no longer better than your opponents.

In other words, it is the rank a player belongs to skill-wise.

LylessOct 13, 20151 votes

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ELO Hell is the rank at which you are no longer better than your opponents.

In other words, it is the rank a player belongs to skill-wise.

According to game that's highly flawed

kureransuOct 13, 20152 votes

I find it unrealistic that most of your games have players on tilt before the match starts. I assume you started in B5, as did I. However you've played almost double the number of ranked games i have and are at B5, 5 LP, and I'm at B1 100LP. You may say it sounds unrealistic, but it's true. You say you're doing all those things, but the numbers say otherwise. Put it to you like this. You should be at such a low MMR you should win a lane with ease if you're as good as you actually think you are. you play main jung and support. Two really good roles to carry a team with. You should be able to snowball the adc or whoever's the best player on the team with those roles. The worse you do the worse players you get paired with. The better you do the better the players you get paired with until you hit your wall.

LylessOct 13, 20151 votes

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I find it unrealistic that most of your games have players on tilt before the match starts. I assume you started in B5, as did I. However you've played almost double the number of ranked games i have and are at B5, 5 LP, and I'm at B1 100LP. You may say it sounds unrealistic, but it's true. You say you're doing all those things, but the numbers say otherwise. Put it to you like this. You should be at such a low MMR you should win a lane with ease if you're as good as you actually think you are. you play main jung and support. Two really good roles to carry a team with. You should be able to snowball the adc or whoever's the best player on the team with those roles. The worse you do the worse players you get paired with. The better you do the better the players you get paired with until you hit your wall.

Really? You do? Are Voil just quit in the game I am in.

LylessOct 13, 20151 votes

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Really? You do? Are Voil just quit in the game I am in.

https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Lyless

SmokedAlmondsOct 13, 20152 votes

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https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Lyless

Ok, watching your game now. Where your team cleanly got a kill and disengaged while you, at half health, proceed to try and tower dive lux with elise on you 1v2 and die.

I have little doubt you blame that on your team mates "abandoning you" but the fight was over, you won the exchange. But you decided to reengage by yourself.

LylessOct 13, 20151 votes

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Ok, watching your game now. Where your team cleanly got a kill and disengaged while you, at half health, proceed to try and tower dive lux with elise on you 1v2 and die.

I have little doubt you blame that on your team mates "abandoning you" but the fight was over, you won the exchange. But you decided to reengage by yourself.

so, you watched the whole thing? And came up with that one thing? I made one freaking mistake. How about before that? The game being 4 vs 5. The game being lost way before that even happened?

SmokedAlmondsOct 13, 20151 votes

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so, you watched the whole thing? And came up with that one thing? I made one freaking mistake. How about before that? The game being 4 vs 5. The game being lost way before that even happened?

That was just what was happening when I opened it.

You do have an afk so you are probably going to lose regardless and its kind of at the point where you can't do much 4v5. But that fight was a terrible decision and was entirely on you.

I'll gladly spectate another if you are still playing.

SmokedAlmondsOct 13, 20152 votes

I know you think I'm just looking for ammo to attack you with but I'm genuinely trying to help you.

LylessOct 13, 20151 votes

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I know you think I'm just looking for ammo to attack you with but I'm genuinely trying to help you.

well, I know you think you are. But you aren't seeing the whole picture.

SmokedAlmondsOct 13, 20151 votes

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well, I know you think you are. But you aren't seeing the whole picture.

Well that's true, its only trying. Nothing anyone can say will help you as long as you put all the blame on everyone else.

Climbing isn't about winning every single game. There are going to be games you lose because of other people. But if you improve your own play you increase the number of games you can turn into wins.

Sure the 1 play I pointed out a bit ago wasn't the biggest deal, especially since you had an AFK on your team. If you did that in a game that didn't have an AFK you just put your team behind and if that was a close game it could easily turn a potential win into a loss.

I'm spectating as a 3rd party with no vested interest in this so I would say I have a much better view of the whole picture than you.

kureransuOct 13, 20152 votes

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well, I know you think you are. But you aren't seeing the whole picture.

This my friend is why you are stuck. We know there will always be toxic players and afkers, but that doesn't matter. You have to focus on you to get better. You can't go on tilt because you're doing better than someone else.

I just played a game where i was destroying xin top. The mid laner saw i was getting fed and actually killed me by ganking because i got too cocky and thought i could kill him too instead of backing, since i had no mana (I didn't blame mid for no mia, i had river warded and saw him coming, it was my mistake). Next time he ganked i killed both of them. you know what they did next? sent 4 after me. lol. the thing is, Xin was feeding me like a king, and his team actually came to support him instead of ragging on him. From there they grouped and focused me like no tomorrow. I was 9/1/0 at one point and ended at 10/5/6 because the team stayed together and made sure they killed me. There wasn't a single solo kill on me. They actually got xin back in the game with assist gold.

LylessOct 13, 20151 votes

The worse to try and improve is to stick them with teams who troll for fun or have no clue what they are doing.

AlphaKappaPikaOct 13, 20151 votes

Yes elo hell is real... to an extent Now, there is examples of elo hell in EVERY elo, besides master+ What it is, is you "may be" consistently preforming better than your peers in said elo, however... Not to such an extent that you can single handedly carry your games. Think about it like this, if you want to improve a tier, you have to be playing 2 tiers at least better than what you are playing now. However EVERYBODY has to go through this, not just YOU. Quit babying yourself and pretending that "ONLY THE LUCKY" get to the high elos. Cause I dare you to play against me in ANY lane, i will sh*t on you. Don't wanna be the guy who is like "ur bad u bronze 5 skrub, 1v1 me n00b" but this guy needs a wake up call.

LylessOct 13, 20151 votes

what am I doing?

SmokedAlmondsOct 13, 20152 votes

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what am I doing?

~7:30 : It was good that you went top when yi was there, but you should have left after a few seconds. By staying you leached XP and gold from your already behind top laner. It also made him stay when he should have backed because he was waiting for you to do something even though he really had nothing to contribute.

~18:30 you should have left after the vayne condemed you away. You had no way to close that gap and it was 2v3 with your ryze nearly dead. You not only died for nothing, but baited ryze into staying and he died too.

~21:10 Executed by tower.

Tons of the same movement and coordination problems I saw before. Its like you are playing with 1000 ping. And clearly just not clicking enough. Enemy's regularly get away from you because you are slow continuing your movement in fights.

Every time yi would alpha strike or vayne would ult+roll you would let the game select the closest target and often took several seconds to switch back to them. At least once against you you lost a 1v1 because of this.

Lots of taxing lanes, but not even effectively. You just right click on the wave and auto attack until its dead, no regard for last hitting. This is setting your laners behind. Its also likely why you find your teams frustrated with you.

kudos on overcoming the 4v5 though.