I just received a Leave Buster warning ... help?

Automated Riven·Mar 13, 2015·4 votes·1,701 views

I am not usually one to complain or whine about things but I have been playing this game since season 1 and I have never had any warning of any kind. I have maybe left 3 games in the last year (if I am wrong please remind me) And I am not sure why I deserve a warning for leaving a game when I got called into work last minute and there wasn't anything I could do about it. If I get banned if I leave again it is what it is because I do have a life and it does not revolve around league. But I would like someone to clear up what this warning means. I had to type "I Agree" to not leave anymore games but if life shows up I have to be ready to drop the game. I cant just say "Yeah dad I know your dying I just gotta finnish my league game first" I would understand if I quit games on a regular basis but I dont even que dodge.

Any insight would be appreciated

Thanks Lasie

32 Comments

SenpaiAzirMar 13, 20152 votes

After you type, "I AGREE," there will be consequences for your actions like leaving a game or AFK. The punishment is less severe in regular normal games, but more harsh if you leave a ranked game. You will be placed in a queue called "Low Priority Queue," which forces to you wait a certain amount of time before searching a game. For example, the first time will force you to wait 5 minutes for 5 games. If you keep leaving, the amount of waiting time will go up and the number of games will go up as well.

Hope this clears things up a bit!

Automated RivenMar 13, 20151 votes

But why am I being warned when I have (very) rarely left games like I said maybe 3 times of the thousand plus games I have played this year. Not counting games where the league client lagged so bad I couldnt even connect. I dont feel like I should be put on this list because I havent betrayed behavior where it happeneds often. Is this just a "if you leave once your subject to punishment?" Some people have real lives that they have to work around so when work calls I have to go so I can pay bills.

SenpaiAzirMar 13, 20151 votes

The message that you received is just a warning and it was actually implemented as of sometime last year. I'm sure almost everybody has received that message because it shows up immediately after being AFK the first time. There was a thread somewhere on here about the new Leaver Buster system and honestly, quite a lot of people dislike it because you are being punished no matter what. It is Riot's way of "improving" the community and prevent the amount of AFKs in games.

EleshakaiMar 13, 20153 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lasie H Shawl,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=2etqu8ai,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2015-03-13T06:42:39.390+0000)

But why am I being warned when I have (very) rarely left games like I said maybe 3 times of the thousand plus games I have played this year. Not counting games where the league client lagged so bad I couldnt even connect. I dont feel like I should be put on this list because I havent betrayed behavior where it happeneds often. Is this just a "if you leave once your subject to punishment?" Some people have real lives that they have to work around so when work calls I have to go so I can pay bills.

It is an incredibly poorly worded informational warning that comes across as an ultimatum.

They're just reminding you that leaving is bad. However, if you play ranked, it can take as few as one or two leaves to get you punished(not banned though, that takes far more) so if you have a life - especially one that could interfere with the almighty League of Legends, I'd recommend not playing ranked anymore.

But ya, this isn't actually an ultimatum, you probably won't be punished for the next leave, but it's just letting you know that leaving is bad. And everyone gets this the FIRST leave they have since the new system was implemented.

KonidiasMar 13, 20152 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lasie H Shawl,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=2etqu8ai,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-03-13T06:32:29.249+0000)

not sure why I deserve a warning for leaving a game when I got called into work last minute and there wasn't anything I could do about it.

I was with you up until you said this.

You aren't sure why you deserve a warning for abandoning 4 people who need you? Oh because you have an excuse... TOO BAD. Nobody cares about your excuse when you are AFK. You could be rescuing kittens from a burning building, but you're still AFK. You could be giving CPR to your neighbor. Still AFK.

Not to mention the 4 people on your team have NO idea if you are actually being honest with your excuse. Nor do we. Again, it wouldn't even matter, because you still went AFK.

In the end, you went AFK, you got warned... and now you are upset that you got warned for going AFK. Logic.

EleshakaiMar 13, 20151 votes

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I was with you up until you said this.

You aren't sure why you deserve a warning for abandoning 4 people who need you? Oh because you have an excuse... TOO BAD. Nobody cares about your excuse when you are AFK. You could be rescuing kittens from a burning building, but you're still AFK. You could be giving CPR to your neighbor. Still AFK.

Not to mention the 4 people on your team have NO idea if you are actually being honest with your excuse. Nor do we. Again, it wouldn't even matter, because you still went AFK.

In the end, you went AFK, you got warned... and now you are upset that you got warned for going AFK. Logic.

And this type of horrible attitude is the reason why I quit this game... in case anyone was wondering. Thank you for providing an example.

KonidiasMar 13, 20152 votes

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And this type of horrible attitude is the reason why I quit this game... in case anyone was wondering. Thank you for providing an example.

I'm sure you feel great when you keep getting AFKs on your team too.

I have no sympathy for AFKers. Period. Take it as "horrible attitude" but AFKers destroy the game.

EleshakaiMar 13, 20151 votes

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I'm sure you feel great when you keep getting AFKs on your team too.

I have no sympathy for AFKers. Period. Take it as "horrible attitude" but AFKers destroy the game.

No, I don't. It doesn't bother me unless they're doing it for no reason. In that case it is disrespectful. If a person has to leave and has a good reason, or it is due to circumstances beyond their control, then I'm fine with that.

That's why I say your attitude is horrible. Because you're trying to justify considering LoL more important than EVERYTHING... and the reason I quit is because Riot is encouraging people to have this type of obsessed, disgustingly selfish attitude to ensure people remain addicted for the sake of their bottom line. It sickens me.

KonidiasMar 13, 20152 votes

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No, I don't. It doesn't bother me unless they're doing it for no reason. In that case it is disrespectful. If a person has to leave and has a good reason, or it is due to circumstances beyond their control, then I'm fine with that.

That's why I say your attitude is horrible. Because you're trying to justify considering LoL more important than EVERYTHING... and the reason I quit is because Riot is encouraging people to have this type of obsessed, disgustingly selfish attitude to ensure people remain addicted for the sake of their bottom line. It sickens me.

Now you're just making assumptions. I don't think LoL is more important than EVERYTHING. If I am forced to AFK then so be it. I'm sure it will happen to me.

The difference is that I am not going to cry on the forums over ONE SINGLE WARNING because of it. I know if I AFK, that is ON ME, and I should take responsibility for it... and for screwing over 4 other human beings.

YOUR attitude is that it's okay for you to AFK if you feel the reason is sufficient enough, and you feel like you have ZERO responsibility to your team and that you shouldn't be held accountable at all if you AFK.

Your zero accountability attitude is the only sickening thing in this thread. You don't get to break rules in life just because you think you have a good enough excuse.

Do I get to speed and then if I get pulled over I can just say "well I was going to be late for work" and then the cop says "oh okay, well I don't want you to think I have a horrible attitude, so by all means, finish speeding to your destination! sorry to have slowed you down! your problem is obviously important enough to burden everyone around you"

All I see is entitlement. You think you're entitled to zero punishment because your reasons for AFK are so excusable. I feel differently. Apparently that makes me a monster.

EleshakaiMar 13, 20151 votes

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Now you're just making assumptions. I don't think LoL is more important than EVERYTHING. If I am forced to AFK then so be it. I'm sure it will happen to me.

The difference is that I am not going to cry on the forums over ONE SINGLE WARNING because of it. I know if I AFK, that is ON ME, and I should take responsibility for it... and for screwing over 4 other human beings.

YOUR attitude is that it's okay for you to AFK if you feel the reason is sufficient enough, and you feel like you have ZERO responsibility to your team and that you shouldn't be held accountable at all if you AFK.

Your zero accountability attitude is the only sickening thing in this thread. You don't get to break rules in life just because you think you have a good enough excuse.

Do I get to speed and then if I get pulled over I can just say "well I was going to be late for work" and then the cop says "oh okay, well I don't want you to think I have a horrible attitude, so by all means, finish speeding to your destination! sorry to have slowed you down! your problem is obviously important enough to burden everyone around you"

All I see is entitlement. You think you're entitled to zero punishment because your reasons for AFK are so excusable. I feel differently. Apparently that makes me a monster.

It's a game. It's my hobby. My hobby is less important than EVERYTHING ELSE in my life. That's the only healthy way to look at it.

If you choose to rate your hobby higher than that, I have no control over you misprioritizing things. If I were on a pre-arranged 5 man with established practice regime, different story. But... it's a hobby.

Your examples PROVE to me that you looka t this game in an unhealthy light. Comparing leaving a game that means LITERALLY NOTHING to breaking the law... that's pathetic. Truly pathetic. The fact that anyone would get upset over someone having the indecency of weighing something in their life over their hobby is truly terrifying to me.

If I attend a party and my job calls me and tells me they're shorthanded and desperately need someone to pick up a shift... NOBODY at that party is going to be upset at me leaving early. If my friends and I go to a movie and my wife calls me to tell me that the hot water heater burst and she needs my help, NOBODY is going to complain about me leaving early.(they might complain about my cell being on but that's another story) There won't be any penalty... I won't be banned from attending the theatre, I won't be forever blacklisted from their parties or gatherings... why? Because I left for a good reason. And those are both planned in advance, which means they're ACTUALLY more formal than league of legends. If you list literally ANY UNSCHEDULED hobby event, the people at that event will understand if matters arise that force you to have to leave. They might think it's just disrespectful if you leave without explaining... but they'll understand provided you have a good reason.

For some reason League of Legends is more important than ANY other hobby of its kind.

And the OP wasn't whining, he just didn't know about the new system. So he was scared because he'd only left one game and he didn't think that warranted punishment. He's correct, and now he's informed as to the realities of the system. Has he come back whining about how unfair it is? No, he hasn't. Why? Because he got the info he was looking for, and understands now. Stop blowing matters out of proportion... but nevermind, that's what you do isn't it?

KonidiasMar 13, 20152 votes

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It's a game. It's my hobby. My hobby is less important than EVERYTHING ELSE in my life. That's the only healthy way to look at it.

If you choose to rate your hobby higher than that, I have no control over you misprioritizing things. If I were on a pre-arranged 5 man with established practice regime, different story. But... it's a hobby.

Your examples PROVE to me that you looka t this game in an unhealthy light. Comparing leaving a game that means LITERALLY NOTHING to breaking the law... that's pathetic. Truly pathetic. The fact that anyone would get upset over someone having the indecency of weighing something in their life over their hobby is truly terrifying to me.

You have this problem of taking my words and interpreting them in a way that fits your pre-existing opinion of me.

I flat out said I don't think LoL is more important than everything else. I'm not comparing leaving the game to breaking the law. I'm comparing leaving the game without regard to 4 other people to speeding without regard to other people on the road. Not the law breaking... stop trying to fit my words neatly into your own idea of what I'm trying to say.

If I attend a party and my job calls me and tells me they're shorthanded and desperately need someone to pick up a shift... NOBODY at that party is going to be upset at me leaving early.

Nobody at that party is depending on you to be there helping them with the party for the next 30 minutes to an hour.

If my friends and I go to a movie and my wife calls me to tell me that the hot water heater burst and she needs my help, NOBODY is going to complain about me leaving early.(they might complain about my cell being on but that's another story) There won't be any penalty... I won't be banned from attending the theatre, I won't be forever blacklisted from their parties or gatherings... why? Because I left for a good reason. And those are both planned in advance, which means they're ACTUALLY more formal than league of legends. If you list literally ANY UNSCHEDULED hobby event, the people at that event will understand if matters arise that force you to have to leave. They might think it's just disrespectful if you leave without explaining... but they'll understand provided you have a good reason.

Uhh okay... See, to me you are saying you treat this game as purely solo entertainment. Attending a party or watching a movie, you are there to entertain yourself. Playing LoL is also entertaining, so I can understand the confusion. The part you seem to be leaving out is that there are 4 other people who are DEPENDING ON YOU to make their experience entertaining also. If you leave, that's 4 people who are going to have a bad half hour/hour. If you leave a party or a movie, people can still enjoy the party and movie just fine without you. If you leave a game of league, those 4 people are going to STRUGGLE, and most likely LOSE. Now you have frustrated 4 people who are also trying to be entertained, and also you are wasting a combined 80-240 minutes of their time.

For some reason League of Legends is more important than ANY other hobby of its kind.

Because the hobbies you are comparing it to are solo person hobbies, how about comparing it to a team sport? Wouldn't that be more accurate? How about compare it to a 5 on 5 b-ball game where you bail out? Now your friends can't play 5v5 because they have an odd number of players. At least they can just play a different game... Whereas if you abandon a LoL match, those 4 people are STUCK there and forced a loss on their records, or they can AFK too and potentially get reported. But either way, they are stuck there until the match finishes... They can't quit and start a new game on the same account.

And the OP wasn't whining, he just didn't know about the new system. So he was scared because he'd only left one game and he didn't think that warranted punishment. He's correct, and now he's informed as to the realities of the system. Has he come back whining about how unfair it is? No, he hasn't. Why? Because he got the info he was looking for, and understands now. Stop blowing matters out of proportion... but nevermind, that's what you do isn't it?

He was whining, because anyone with common sense could tell that it was just a warning and not a ban. So why complain? The warning was alerting him to not leave games or else he will receive punishment. It did it's job. It was his own overreaction that brought about this thread.

Also, I'm blowing matters out of proportion??? HAHAHAHA... Says the guy calling me "disgustingly" selfish, telling me I have a "horrible" attitude, and talking about how I "sicken" you because I believe in not bailing out on people who need you there... Wow man... Take a step back and look at yourself.

TLDR: I'm not saying LoL is more important than life. I'm saying even if it's a hobby, you are still negatively impacting 4 other people when you AFK. It's NOT the same as leaving a party or a movie and those are god awful examples... The one thing I want you to get through your head is that even though this is JUST A GAME and JUST A HOBBY, you are playing with REAL PEOPLE and wasting their REAL TIME when you AFK.

EleshakaiMar 13, 20151 votes

Here's your problem:

DEPENDING ON YOU to make their experience entertaining also.

You don't enjoy the game itself. You only enjoy winning.

Someone leaving has NEVER caused me to not have fun playing LoL. I still enjoy it just as much... hell one of the MOST FUN GAMES I've EVER HAD was a 4v5 where we held out for like a half hour by playing well and defending smartly. So to me someone leaving isn't an impediment to my enjoyment... so I don't see why it should be to you if you REALLY enjoy the game.

If you, on the other hand, are addicted to it and just enjoy winning... then fine, it's a detriment to you. But I don't see why I should be enabling people like that.

To take your other points.

Because the hobbies you are comparing it to are solo person hobbies, how about comparing it to a team sport? Wouldn't that be more accurate?

No, team sports all have scheduled practices and organized meets. You're prearranged for that time and thus can let people know you're tied up then so they know not to bug you. Playing a game of street hockey with a few friends would be the closest sports analogy... or going to the gym and tossing some hoops with the people who just happen to be there. And in those cases... if your mom or girlfriend or brother or best friend runs in and says 'hey man, -x event- is happening' the people there are going to be like 'alright, cya next time!'

He was whining, because anyone with common sense could tell that it was just a warning and not a ban. So why complain? The warning was alerting him to not leave games or else he will receive punishment. It did it's job. It was his own overreaction that brought about this thread.

No, because the warning is WORDED like an ultimatum. It makes you PROMISE to never leave a game again. It is TERRIBLY badly worded and even the system's staunchest defenders can't defend the wording of that warning. It is worded in such a way that it makes people scared that if they EVER have another real life emergency they'll be banned. So it's logical that people who aren't aware of it who get it are going to be scared. There's no defending the wording of that warning man. Don't even try. It's proof of your ignorance, really.

I flat out said I don't think LoL is more important than everything else. I'm not comparing leaving the game to breaking the law. I'm comparing leaving the game without regard to 4 other people to speeding without regard to other people on the road. Not the law breaking... stop trying to fit my words neatly into your own idea of what I'm trying to say.

Yes, disregard for peoples' safety, their lives, and the law. That's the level of importance you equate LoL to. Speeding causes people to DIE, lose TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, or get PERMANENTLY CRIPPLED. I think that's an entirely different magnitude to spending a HALF AN HOUR OF YOUR TIME in a game that you are unlikely to win. The fact that that's your analogy is what makes your words about 'not considering it more important than other things' ring so hollow.

You have this problem of taking my words and interpreting them in a way that fits your pre-existing opinion of me.

No actually. What is happening here is you're stating something, and then PROVING THAT WRONG. You state that 'LoL isn't more important to you' and then go on to provide EXAMPLE AFTER EXAMPLE to prove that it is. It'd be like saying 'I don't believe in cruelty to animals' while I am beating a baby seal over the head. You can say whatever you want, but if you then go on to prove that you don't actually mean it, it doesn't matter what you said.

Also, I'm blowing matters out of proportion??? HAHAHAHA... Says the guy calling me "disgustingly" selfish, telling me I have a "horrible" attitude, and talking about how I "sicken" you because I believe in not bailing out on people who need you there... Wow man... Take a step back and look at yourself.

That's accurate actually - not blowing things out of proportion at all. That's how I genuinely feel about people like you. You're the reason gaming communities are seen as so elitist, egocentric, and cruel. No compassion for others. At all. You don't give a shit what happens to others as long as they don't WASTE A TINY PORTION OF YOUR TIME, HEAVEN FORBID!

It's really pathetic. People are more important than the game. If you felt that way, you wouldn't say these things.

KonidiasMar 13, 20152 votes

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Here's your problem:

You don't enjoy the game itself. You only enjoy winning.

I enjoy fair, 5v5 matches. There's a big difference.

Someone leaving has NEVER caused me to not have fun playing LoL. I still enjoy it just as much... hell one of the MOST FUN GAMES I've EVER HAD was a 4v5 where we held out for like a half hour by playing well and defending smartly. So to me someone leaving isn't an impediment to my enjoyment... so I don't see why it should be to you if you REALLY enjoy the game.

If you, on the other hand, are addicted to it and just enjoy winning... then fine, it's a detriment to you. But I don't see why I should be enabling people like that.

Cool story, bro. Glad to hear you don't get affected by 4v5s. Lots of other people do, though. You can't just ignore them because you aren't personally affected by it.

No, team sports all have scheduled practices and organized meets. You're prearranged for that time and thus can let people know you're tied up then so they know not to bug you. Playing a game of street hockey with a few friends would be the closest sports analogy... or going to the gym and tossing some hoops with the people who just happen to be there. And in those cases... if your mom or girlfriend or brother or best friend runs in and says 'hey man, -x event- is happening' the people there are going to be like 'alright, cya next time!'

I meant a planned meetup of 5v5. I'm not talking about cancelling before the game starts either... I'm not sure why you even bothered to compare that. I'm talking about you and 9 people have decided to play a 5v5 game, and then the game starts and 5 minutes in you're like "woah hold up everyone, I have to go... sorry, but no big deal right? You 9 guys can just uhh... ummm I dunno. I'm sure you'll have fun 4v5! I know I would!"

No, because the warning is WORDED like an ultimatum. It makes you PROMISE to never leave a game again. It is TERRIBLY badly worded and even the system's staunchest defenders can't defend the wording of that warning. It is worded in such a way that it makes people scared that if they EVER have another real life emergency they'll be banned. So it's logical that people who aren't aware of it who get it are going to be scared. There's no defending the wording of that warning man. Don't even try. It's proof of your ignorance, really.

Mkay. I'm ignorant because I take a warning as a warning. Honestly it SHOULD make you scared to leave games, because myself, many other people, and even Riot believe that leaving a game of LoL can be extremely detrimental and it directly affects other people who are looking for fair 5v5 matches. Apparently you want them to change it to say "Warning, please don't afk again! Unless of course you have a good reason, then by all means, screw over your team and bail! Your time is definitely more important than 9 other people's time."

Yes, disregard for peoples' safety, their lives, and the law. That's the level of importance you equate LoL to. Speeding causes people to DIE, lose TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS, or get PERMANENTLY CRIPPLED. I think that's an entirely different magnitude to spending a HALF AN HOUR OF YOUR TIME in a game that you are unlikely to win. The fact that that's your analogy is what makes your words about 'not considering it more important than other things' ring so hollow.

Well, to be fair, AFKing in LoL is against the rules, and so is speeding. If you want to keep comparing AFK to breaking the law, I'll go there. Speeding indirectly causes people to die. The sheer act of speeding doesn't cause death. You could cause someone to die by AFKing from your LoL game just as easily. Maybe they get upset you left and have a heart attack. Maybe they choke on their pizza. Who knows... Point is, speeding doesn't directly cause deaths.

No actually. What is happening here is you're stating something, and then PROVING THAT WRONG. You state that 'LoL isn't more important to you' and then go on to provide EXAMPLE AFTER EXAMPLE to prove that it is. It'd be like saying 'I don't believe in cruelty to animals' while I am beating a baby seal over the head. You can say whatever you want, but if you then go on to prove that you don't actually mean it, it doesn't matter what you said.

No actually, you continue to not get the point. I'm saying that affecting other people negatively is something you are taking too lightly. Stop even talking about the importance of league of legends. I don't care. I care about the fact that you think it's totally fine to screw people over as long as you don't have to ever see them again and they are just names on a screen. Guess what dude, you're having a debate with a real person right now. I'm a real person. Get it through your head. The four people on your team are real people. You make a commitment when you queue up for a ranked game that you will see the game through and be there for your team. When you break that commitment, you are directly affecting people. No matter how much you want to say the game is just a hobby or whatever...

AGAIN I AM NOT SAYING LOL IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYTHING ELSE. I REPEAT. NOT. MORE. IMPORTANT. Please for once actually read what I'm typing. You could literally replace LoL with any other team activity in this situation and the point still remains that you are screwing over people by leaving in the middle of the activity.

That's accurate actually - not blowing things out of proportion at all. That's how I genuinely feel about people like you. You're the reason gaming communities are seen as so elitist, egocentric, and cruel. No compassion for others. At all. You don't give a shit what happens to others as long as they don't WASTE A TINY PORTION OF YOUR TIME, HEAVEN FORBID!

That's called "your opinion" congrats on proving that you are an uncaring and awful human being who is actually the least compassionate person here but thinks they are one of the most compassionate. You beg for compassion for the one AFKer. I'm begging for compassion for the FOUR teammates they screwed over.

It's really pathetic. People are more important than the game. If you felt that way, you wouldn't say these things.

People are more important, except apparently if those people are 4 random strangers on your team in an online game. Then you can just d*** them over and it's totally fine because you had better things to do. Right?

EleshakaiMar 13, 20151 votes

You're hopeless. I can't even fathom how you're making these comparisons.

I never said 'game being cancelled'... where did you even read those words? Edit: and if it is a PLANNED meetup, then it's not the same as LoL. LoL is not planned - it's a pick up game. Like going to the street, grabbing a bunch of dudes and putting together a game of street hockey. It's NOT a planned event, and comparing it to one is NOT a fair comparison.

I am compassionate towards those people. I will go to NO ENDS to try to teach them that they're misprioritizing things - to help them balance life better. But if a person has an unhealthy mentality I will not enable them. Why? Not because I'm not compassionate, but because when someone demonstrates an unhealthy tendency the WORST THING you can do is to encourage it.

If a person decides to smack their face into a wall... I'm not going to feel bad for the pain they've caused themselves. I'll help them FIX that pain, but I won't feel sorry for them. It's the same thing here. You are making the CONSCIOUS DECISION to let the afk bother you. You could just as easily see the 4v5 as an opportunity to prove yourself, or try weird stuff, or just have fun... but you CHOOSE to let it bother you. If you make that choice, the consequences are yours. Those consequences being frustration, anger, unhappiness, etc. I'm not compassionate of those SELF INFLICTED consequences.

If a person is so obsessed with the game that someone leaving the game TO TAKE CARE OF AN IMPORTANT REAL LIFE MATTER is going to offend them... I can't support that. Being upset over a ragequitter, or something like that... I can understand that because that person has made the statement they'd rather be banned than spend time with you.

Simple, blunt, true. Sorry if it bothers you.

Matthias9119Mar 13, 20151 votes

You don't enjoy the game itself. You only enjoy winning.

I don't mind losing a close match.

Getting curb stomped 4v5 is not very fun.

Steamrolling 5v4 is not very interesting to me either.

I don't want Riot to ban hammer anyone who ever leaves a match ever. I get it. Real life happens sometimes. But if it's happening to you over and over and over... eventually it stops being okay.

EleshakaiMar 13, 20151 votes

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I don't mind losing a close match.

Getting curb stomped 4v5 is not very fun.

Steamrolling 5v4 is not very interesting to me either.

I don't want Riot to ban hammer anyone who ever leaves a match ever. I get it. Real life happens sometimes. But if it's happening to you over and over and over... eventually it stops being okay.

It's only a curb stomp though if the 4 team gives up. I've seen some pretty damned even 4v5s due to smart play. It's fun to strive against the odds to see how well you can do, really push yourself to the limits.

Matthias9119Mar 13, 20151 votes

It's not impossible to win 4v5, but it's a severe disadvantage.

I don't have to justify my dislike of playing shorthanded. It's an opinion. If it doesn't bother you, well, I guess that's commendable. A lot of people really dislike it.

EleshakaiMar 14, 20151 votes

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It's not impossible to win 4v5, but it's a severe disadvantage.

I don't have to justify my dislike of playing shorthanded. It's an opinion. If it doesn't bother you, well, I guess that's commendable. A lot of people really dislike it.

Absolutely. A lot of people dislike people who drive at the speed limit too - afterall its perfectly safe to go 5 MPH faster right?

A lot of people dislike a lot of perfectly healthy things because these things inconvenience them. That doesn't make that dislike good, but it is absolutely understandable.

Matthias9119Mar 14, 20151 votes

It's not "good" to be cavalier about the time investment and enjoyment of other players, either.

If you know you're going to get interrupted a lot by RL things, either:

Don't play a game like League. I have friends who work as firefighters or EMTs and they can't play games like this on shift because they can get called away at any time.
Do things to limit the collateral damage. Play customs with your friends. Or at least play on a premade team so you don't force random losses on innocent bystanders.

If you won't take enough personal responsibility to do one of those, Riot will restrict your ability to ruin other people's games. And I'm fine with that, because if you KNOW this is the case and you're refusing to do anything about it then it's your own damn fault.

EleshakaiMar 14, 20151 votes

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It's not "good" to be cavalier about the time investment and enjoyment of other players, either.

If you know you're going to get interrupted a lot by RL things, either:

Don't play a game like League. I have friends who work as firefighters or EMTs and they can't play games like this on shift because they can get called away at any time.

Do things to limit the collateral damage. Play customs with your friends. Or at least play on a premade team so you don't force random losses on innocent bystanders.

If you won't take enough personal responsibility to do one of those, Riot will restrict your ability to ruin other people's games. And I'm fine with that, because if you KNOW this is the case and you're refusing to do anything about it then it's your own damn fault.

See and that's what I find so sickening. So the people with the most stressful jobs are told 'give up your hobby because the poor babies will whine if they lose a game', the people who have the most stressful lives are told 'oh we don't care if your relative/friend/etc. is sick and may need to be cared for, the poor entitled whiners might lose a game and complain', the people who have the worst situations are told 'if matters aren't perfect for you, screw off go find something else to do'. And I'm not fine with that.

I'm very fortunate to have stable internet, a relatively stable life, a relatively stress free job, and to live in a place with a good power grid.

I think it's sickening that this community feels that anyone who isn't as fortunate as me has no right to play this game. It's absurd. It is ridiculous how seriously people take this game... it's so life and death serious that the mere POTENTIAL to maybe LOSE A GAME ONCE IN A WHILE is worthy of DENYING PEOPLE THEIR ENTIRE ABILITY TO PLAY IT even if its their favourite hobby and stress release. We are so afraid of being forced to maybe just have fun with a game in stead of focus on winning it... that we'd rather anyone who has the potential to ruin it - even if it is TO SAVE PEOPLES LIVES like the firefighters/EMTs you referred to - simply be told 'don't play at all'.

THAT is why I hate Riot's PB team right now and why a large segment of this community has begun to sicken me. It's so pathetic. So utterly and completely pathetic. And really silly... and selfish beyond compare. We should be telling the poor entitled whiners to grow up and stop taking the game so seriously... but in stead... we tell the people who might offend the poor entitled whiners to stop playing.

Matthias9119Mar 14, 20151 votes

See and that's what I find so sickening. So the people with the most stressful jobs are told 'give up your hobby because the poor babies will whine if they lose a game', the people who have the most stressful lives are told 'oh we don't care if your relative/friend/etc. is sick and may need to be cared for, the poor entitled whiners might lose a game and complain', the people who have the worst situations are told 'if matters aren't perfect for you, screw off go find something else to do'.

Yes. This is called "taking responsibility for the consequences of your actions" and is a thing that grown-ups do.

Unfortunately, MOBAs are a game genre where abandoning a game has the potential to negatively impact the other players in the game. So yes, IMO you should be considerate of other players and not play match made games if you're likely to have to abandon them.

If you really never have 30-60 minutes of uninterruptible time, then if you want to play League you should set up customs with understanding friends rather than subjecting random people to the vagaries of your schedule. Or maybe try one of the other approximately twelve gazillion videos games or forms of entertainment out there that are compatible with your schedule.

EleshakaiMar 14, 20151 votes

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Yes. This is called "taking responsibility for the consequences of your actions" and is a thing that grown-ups do.

Unfortunately, MOBAs are a game genre where abandoning a game has the potential to negatively impact the other players in the game. So yes, IMO you should be considerate of other players and not play match made games if you're likely to have to abandon them.

If you really never have 30-60 minutes of uninterruptible time, then if you want to play League you should set up customs with understanding friends rather than subjecting random people to the vagaries of your schedule. Or maybe try one of the other approximately twelve gazillion videos games or forms of entertainment out there that are compatible with your schedule.

Once again:

And really silly... and selfish beyond compare. We should be telling the poor entitled whiners to grow up and stop taking the game so seriously... but in stead... we tell the people who might offend the poor entitled whiners to stop playing.

Yes I include you In that.

Matthias9119Mar 14, 20151 votes

Yes, I'm "selfish" with my desire to actually have fun when I play a game in my very limited free time. The expectation of Riot and the vast majority of the community is that you should be able to almost always finish a game if you commit to playing it. I don't think that is too much to ask.

Selfishness is relative. Am I being selfish by playing League on a Sunday afternoon rather than volunteering at a homeless shelter? Or selling my computer and giving the money to charity? Nobody is entirely selfless 100% of the time.

I can just as easily say that it's extremely disrespectful and immature to disregard the effects that your choices have on other people. If you have shitty life circumstances, you should be trying to minimize their impacts on other people, not demanding that they put up with YOUR problems. There are things that people with RL commitments can do to play League without causing these problems.

Someone else's entertainment time isn't inherently more valuable than mine. When 1 person is screwing things up for 9 others, you shouldn't expect the other 9 to just put up with it all the time. If you went to the local park to play pickup basketball, but 5 minutes later you had to leave and left your team shorthanded, how many times do you think you could do that before nobody would want to play with you? If they CHOOSE to put up with it, that's great, but that's not a reasonable expectation to put on random strangers.

EleshakaiMar 14, 20151 votes

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Yes, I'm "selfish" with my desire to actually have fun when I play a game in my very limited free time. The expectation of Riot and the vast majority of the community is that you should be able to almost always finish a game if you commit to playing it. I don't think that is too much to ask.

Selfishness is relative. Am I being selfish by playing League on a Sunday afternoon rather than volunteering at a homeless shelter? Or selling my computer and giving the money to charity? Nobody is entirely selfless 100% of the time.

I can just as easily say that it's extremely disrespectful and immature to disregard the effects that your choices have on other people. If you have shitty life circumstances, you should be trying to minimize their impacts on other people, not demanding that they put up with YOUR problems. There are things that people with RL commitments can do to play League without causing these problems.

Someone else's entertainment time isn't inherently more valuable than mine. When 1 person is screwing things up for 9 others, you shouldn't expect the other 9 to just put up with it all the time. If you went to the local park to play pickup basketball, but 5 minutes later you had to leave and left your team shorthanded, how many times do you think you could do that before nobody would want to play with you? If they CHOOSE to put up with it, that's great, but that's not a reasonable expectation to put on random strangers.

wow..........

And yet, if you weren't so ridiculously obsessed with the game, you could enjoy it regardless. And that's the problem. People have somehow gotten to the point where the only thing they enjoy in games is the victory screen...

I remember playing custom games in starcraft that were ACTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE just to see how long we could hold out. Back 10 years ago the concept of opting into a sure loss was FUN because we enjoyed the chance to test ourselves against overwhelming odds. Nowadays, that doesn't exist. Games don't design those levels, people don't design those maps... because people have become so focused on victory that the game itself simply isn't good enough. Playing isn't fun anymore, only winning is.

And to me it's a really sad state of affairs... because success should NEVER be the goal. Being good at what you do should be the goal, and success the biproduct of that. The fact that a 4v5 CAN'T be fun for you is really pathetic because it means that winning is all you care about. If your goal were to improve, a 4v5 would be an opportunity not a detriment. It'd be the opportunity to try out things you don't normally get to try, to practice skills that might be hard to practice in a 5v5, or to even try to prove how much you really HAVE improved by maybe winning. But since that little 3 second victory screen is all that matters... you rage out at the leaver and let it ruin your time.

It's sad. And it's an unfortunate side effect of the fact that we no longer have our priorities in a good place. People grow up wishing 'to be famous' or 'to be rich', not wishing 'to be good at x'. And it's the same thing here. Victory has no longer become a result of your actions, it's become the purpose of your actions. And that leads to this crazy mindset that a leaver is someone who doesn't DESERVE to play the game at all.

Matthias9119Mar 14, 20151 votes

Sigh.

It has nothing to do with winning.

SR is balanced around 5v5 and plays completely differently (and, to me, much less interestingly) 4v5 or 5v4. I don't like it. You saying "WELL, YOU SHOULD LIKE IT AND YOU'RE A BAD PERSON AND HAVE THE WRONG PRIORITIES IF YOU DON'T" is nonsense.

I don't want to put up with other people's poor scheduling decisions or computers that crash every five minutes or that the only way they can connect to the Internet is to tether to a 2G cellphone that lags and disconnects them constantly. If you can't play the game the way it's intended to be played, don't force that on other people. That's the selfish decision.

EleshakaiMar 14, 20151 votes

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Sigh.

It has nothing to do with winning.

SR is balanced around 5v5 and plays completely differently (and, to me, much less interestingly) 4v5 or 5v4. I don't like it. You saying "WELL, YOU SHOULD LIKE IT AND YOU'RE A BAD PERSON AND HAVE THE WRONG PRIORITIES IF YOU DON'T" is nonsense.

I don't want to put up with other people's poor scheduling decisions or computers that crash every five minutes or that the only way they can connect to the Internet is to tether to a 2G cellphone that lags and disconnects them constantly. If you can't play the game the way it's intended to be played, don't force that on other people. That's the selfish decision.

"Give up your pastime, never have fun again because you can't afford a good computer... and if you choose to try to have fun ever again, you're selfish"

You think it's selfish for that person to waste ~20 minutes of your time.... when you're removing their main pastime for the REST OF THEIR LIFE. I think several years is a lot larger of a sacrifice than 20 minutes of your personal time.

God you have such a twisted definition of value. Quit THE GAME because you MIGHT disconnect once in a blue moon. Because you MIGHT get called away to save someone's life. Because you MIGHT have to go afk for a few minutes every so often to take care of a relative without warning. Never play again.

No, the real answer: Quit the game because the population of LoL's community is full of such self-entitled brats that the mere thought of them having to lose a game because someone else had their priorities in order and had to go do something more important is so abhorrent that they'd rather you never be permitted 'fun' again.

So vindictive. Grow up man. Grow up. If you can't enjoy the game for the game, get your head out of your ass and grow up.

Matthias9119Mar 14, 20151 votes

Would you like to put any more words in my mouth?

I didn't say "don't ever play league if you might possibly DC." Real life happens sometimes; nobody's expecting that players should never ever have an emergency ever. What I said is that you shouldn't play randomly matchmade games if you know you're very likely to be interrupted, or if you're having technical issues that mean you're likely to go AFK or be a massive hindrance to your team.

If you're likely to be interrupted, or you think you're likely to have technical issues, play Custom games. Or at the very least play on a premade team so you're not randomly making unsuspecting people lose.

As a personal example, I did a bunch of traveling last year. Often I was stuck in places where my only connectivity option was really crappy cellular tethering. I tried playing League a couple times in those conditions and I either lagged really badly or kept disconnecting. So you know what I did? I DIDN'T FUCKING PLAY LEAGUE UNLESS I HAD A REALLY GOOD INTERNET CONNECTION. I didn't go whine on the forums that I should be allowed to play even when I'm lagging and DCing because I'm more important than everyone else in the matches. So when other people can't be bothered to show the same courtesy to their fellow players, yeah, it strikes me as immature and selfish.

KonidiasMar 13, 20152 votes

Just do us all a favor and don't ever play ranked, because apparently you have zero compassion for anyone and treat the game like it's the equivalent of watching a movie.

The leaver buster system is set up to allow for a few AFK games for emergencies or power outages or whatever... You should not be worried in that case. But if you're playing LoL and constantly finding yourself needing to AFK during matches, you should stop playing the game entirely. Either by your own choice, or by Riot banning your account to prevent you from continuing to ruin games.

DoomsdayFoMar 13, 20151 votes

You're fine, thats just a new system they implemented last year reminding you of a certain part of the summoners code, you probably havent seen it because you havent left a game in awhile. It wont do anything other than u think they have to make you agree to the consequences before actually punishing you, but the punishments are small at first and get bigger if you do it multiple times in a timespan

Project RivenMar 14, 20151 votes

If you keep leaving normal games, do you get banned? I assume you just get chat restricted or something light.

AerothalMar 14, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lasie H Shawl,realm=NA,application-id=cIfEodbz,discussion-id=2etqu8ai,comment-id=,timestamp=2015-03-13T06:32:29.249+0000)

I am not usually one to complain or whine about things but I have been playing this game since season 1 and I have never had any warning of any kind. I have maybe left 3 games in the last year (if I am wrong please remind me) And I am not sure why I deserve a warning for leaving a game when I got called into work last minute and there wasn't anything I could do about it. If I get banned if I leave again it is what it is because I do have a life and it does not revolve around league. But I would like someone to clear up what this warning means. I had to type "I Agree" to not leave anymore games but if life shows up I have to be ready to drop the game. I cant just say "Yeah dad I know your dying I just gotta finnish my league game first" I would understand if I quit games on a regular basis but I dont even que dodge.

Any insight would be appreciated

Thanks Lasie

AFK ONE MORE TIME...

I DARE YOU...I DOUBLE-DARE YOU MOTHERFUCKER