Riot After Skarners Rework

King Odin·Aug 23, 2015·62 votes·4,550 views

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gubigubiAug 23, 201543 votes

Another Skarner rework that on release is god tier broken followed by him being useless woo!

Skarner mains right now https://awesomecommentphotos.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/1238776_10151866433617491_2021163606_n.jpg?w=670

HighH1Aug 23, 20157 votes

Not a Skarner main but I feel really sad I wanted to see more Skarner in play but I didn't want him to be a god...again.

KalarepaAug 23, 20151 votes

And it all started, because they though that chainslowing was broken. GJ Riot, Skarner became really easy to balance after you removed it!

HawkmedAug 23, 201521 votes

more like http://media.giphy.com/media/gILvn11t4PuQE/giphy.gif

SteelflameAug 23, 201518 votes

Honestly, I don't get why he has 3% max mana per second regeneration inside the auras. How about instead, he has 0 mana cost? This means his combat outside of them sticks to his mana bar, but he has full combat potential inside of them, rather than he can fight easily outside of them, then run back in and top himself back off. Seriously, this effect gives him a ****ton of invisible power, as he now has 0 mana concerns 99% of the time.

Also, tone down the aura's strength at base value, but make the most crystals your team controls, the more power each one grants inside of it's range, and even give him some benefits outside of it's range. Finally, make it so that capping them takes longer for everyone but him, but have the caps last for 30 seconds, instead of 10 before it can be contested again, meaning skarner himself has to take the point if his team doesn't have it mid fight, or that if you can steal it mid fight he will not be getting it back that fight.

This, combined with a good nerf to his E's overkill base damage and W's early scaling (starts at 12% max hp. WTF were you smoking riot?), should be enough to get him properly in line.

Ironclad DragonAug 23, 20159 votes

Skarner I AM THE EARTH, I AM DEATH.

Robert SmithAug 23, 20154 votes

Just keep his race car mode alone

DeusVultAug 23, 20154 votes

As a skarner main, i have waited YEARS for this

and then Riot comes out and talks about hotfixes and stuff, meanwhile other champs who get rediculous buffs keep their power for a whole patch or two...

SteelflameAug 23, 201515 votes

He is at release Zyra state dude. 65% winrate is a bit of bull, and this is coming from someone who used to main him back before they trashed him so hard as to virtually not exist, and still played him for a while after before I just couldn't keep it going.

EDIT: Also, right now if you are fighting him, you face a very serious prisoner's dilemma when using what is supposed to be his "counter" to his ult, QSS. The fact he can still start and hard CC you easily with his E. You don't purge E, he gets in range and hurts you, while he just keeps saving that ult for that big threat, or you purge it, he flash-ults you into his team.

AuroramancerAug 23, 20152 votes

That's really similar to Lee Sin. They both have tools to control what fights they want/don't want, and pose a significant threat if you don't deal with them properly.

SteelflameAug 23, 20153 votes

Lee Sin is broken on a fundemental level though. Hypermobility, damage, and one of the strongest CC types in the game (And a fairly strong level among that CC at that).

Current Skarner is more of a "Oh, all my numbers are OVER 9000. Prepare to get shreked." His kit can work, but requires a lot of number management because they gave him so many of them, he still ultimatally has to run up to you to put out his threat. He just has too much of a ZoC for his current numbers. Heavily put into his E, at that. As I've said earlier in the thread, hit his E and W, and tune down/replace his supermega mana regen in crystal range, and he should be fine.

Indiglow32Aug 23, 20151 votes

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As a skarner main, i have waited YEARS for this

and then Riot comes out and talks about hotfixes and stuff, meanwhile other champs who get rediculous buffs keep their power for a whole patch or two...

Skarner main for 3 years.

I've ALWAYS thought he was sleeper OP. Always carried games, went 12-3-20 in games almost all the time. VERY COMMON.

With this change, I'm smashing even harder going like 13-0, 20-4 and shit lol

SelflessTeammateAug 24, 20151 votes

I'm not sure why you're getting downvoted this hard, because I agree with you to an extent. I mean, I love Skarner, truly, and he was great before the rework, but he did suffer from being kinda boring and very reliant on his ult to be useful. I also had a good guess that everyone was full of it when they said he was "dead" when I actually spent the time to read the final rework's numbers, realizing they seemed kind of freaking insane. He certainly is a must-ban now, but the strange thing through it all is that he was going to be the weakest, and Darius the strongest. The exact opposite appears to be true.

I don't think there are a lot of "broken" champs, so to speak. Some are...questionable (Fizz alone really has this spot with that untargetability/absurd tankiness/stupid-high-damage nonsense), but I wouldn't call any others really all that problematic.

LeBlanc is still not worth banning. I'm staggered that I continue to see her banned when her simple counter is "Don't feed her and be patient, they want you to try something" just like Riven. If you're mid-laning and can't handle a LeBlanc, um, keep practicing, or just realize mid-lane just isn't for you. And if you can't handle a Riven, same deal. Or just pick Garen, really. It's pretty hard to lose as Garen against Riven, now more so than ever. Even if you die to her, you come back stronger than she can possibly imagine.

If I'm captain, I ban Teemo Shaco and maybe Rengar or Heimerdinger . Why? Because I love to main Evelynn and these are her primary problems (not even Skarner is one of them atm, in fact she's one of the few who is pretty safe against him). Remove them, and her only problem is pink wards, which don't put up much of a fight.

I GANK LANESAug 23, 20153 votes

65% win rate LMFAO rito

ArcheanthusAug 23, 20152 votes

I honestly don't know that they've even noticed :(

EdasichAug 23, 20151 votes

Oh, they've noticed, all right. The question now is how to get him in line without making him useless.

AdanimAug 23, 20152 votes

The problem isn't his W or E. There are 2 issues. The first is that Skarner has always been "deal a small amount of damage over and over again with autos inbetween spells and rely on base damage". This is amplified by the new items. The items emphasize base damage (hello Sterak's), meaning that a champion like Skarner is going to heavily abuse that item. Secondly, the bonuses that he gets at level 1 from the crystal zones is INSANE. He gains more free stats from those zones at level 1 than any other stat buff ability or item in the game. They should nerf the new items that have been released, and then tone back Skarner's passive so that the bonuses he gains are not nearly as high early game. The late game scalings are okay, but only because they don't go very far from their starting point. The numbers just need to scale better, is all.

Also, I have found that Skarner is balanced when outside of the crystal zones. Fighting him outside of the jungle is not nearly as difficult, and you can deal with him if you get him out of those areas.

I played Skarner for 3 years, he has been my preferred and favorite jungler for that entire time, and I think these are the changes that should go through, not nerfs to his W or E.

OrchidBoyAug 23, 20152 votes

I usually win my games as Skarner prepatch, but after playing him with new stats he isn't as independently strong. If he doesn't fight in the Jung he is basically useless! I find it humorous that Skarner is being seen as godlike while other champs go untouched

Indiglow32Aug 23, 20151 votes

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I usually win my games as Skarner prepatch, but after playing him with new stats he isn't as independently strong. If he doesn't fight in the Jung he is basically useless! I find it humorous that Skarner is being seen as godlike while other champs go untouched

This is so true....the only thing people realize is that after the skarner change, everyone is playing him now and they are like whoa he is strong.

It's not necessarily the skarner changes, it's the items. Sated Devourer on Skarner is just nasty. Combine with the new items it's just crazy.