When your support keeps setting up kills for you

Wukong X Ahri·Jun 13, 2016·48 votes·2,593 views

Only to steal them in the end. http://www.thegifspot.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/wFhjaAw.gif

34 Comments

JayHog1992Jun 13, 201614 votes

My pain as Poppy support... I don't want to take them, but they never do enough damage! -.-

Wukong X AhriJun 13, 201610 votes

http://i.imgur.com/Ufbr5ej.gif?noredirect

JayHog1992Jun 13, 20161 votes

http://orig14.deviantart.net/8b50/f/2016/090/b/a/teemo_face_4_by_johnnyhedgehog1992-d9x6jen.png How dare you doubt me?

Wukong X AhriJun 13, 20163 votes

Uh huh I think you was just trying to get yourself fed!

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JayHog1992Jun 13, 20163 votes

How dare you, good sir!? I wouldn't take them if the adc would do enough damage at all! Most of the times I end up getting the double kill AFTER my ADC is dead!

I will not tolerate that tone with me, mister! http://s.lolstatic.com/site/poppy-comic/48db8f2fc3e25e69183fe0cf86b71b54281a9312/issue/02/pages/en_US/2/2_6.png

Wukong X AhriJun 13, 20164 votes

http://areajugones.es/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/phoenix-wright-objection.jpg

JayHog1992Jun 13, 20162 votes

Go ahead, I have replays! I can record video evidence of me taking the kills AFTER my ADC died or to save my near death ADC! I'll be out to the streets in minutes as an inocent Yordle main!

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Wukong X AhriJun 13, 20164 votes

Fine! But I'll be watching you. http://i.imgur.com/QJ05YnW.gif?noredirect

ThePompfJun 13, 20161 votes

You dont just use a Objection picture without a paragraph worth of text.

Who are you, Winston Payne?

CabalistJun 13, 20161 votes

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/square_small/0/5128/651124-ajaa_winston_payne.jpg Maybe

Wukong X AhriJun 13, 20161 votes

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S H A Y C 0Jun 13, 20161 votes

what should the support do when you have set up the kill, they are in last hit range and your adc is retreating?

just let them go?

SeraphizeJun 13, 20161 votes

PogChamp Poppy 'support' is so awesome. item 3078 item 2303 item 3022 item 3512 item 3158 item 3190

Hey, I've got wards and Locket, what more do you want?

JayHog1992Jun 13, 20162 votes

I just grab sight, support item then go full tank, according to the enemy team comp.

I never buy offensive items to make sure I live.

AeszarckJun 13, 20161 votes

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I just grab sight, support item then go full tank, according to the enemy team comp.

I never buy offensive items to make sure I live.

That sounds a bit more responsible.

JayHog1992Jun 14, 20161 votes

Well, being a guy that mains yordles, I have to be responsible, half the champions mean that I can't be dependant on my team in the laning phase.

RalimakJun 14, 20161 votes

Tell me about it... support Sion feels your pain. If the adc doesn't kill them before my shield auto-pops, what am I supposed to do?

JayHog1992Jun 14, 20161 votes

Dance?

roitferretJun 15, 20161 votes

not play support sion

RalimakJun 15, 20161 votes

https://i.imgflip.com/15uurj.jpg

But, I feel like you were suggesting something different...

In which case:

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roitferretJun 15, 20161 votes

lol its situational and in most situations there are better supps and why supp ur gunna get booty stacks on ur w

RalimakJun 15, 20161 votes

Every support is situational, but I deny your delusional claim that there are better supports than Sion. He is probably the most consistent support throughout an entire game - good early game with his poke, set-up capability, and tankiness; roaming potential for mid-game; and teamfight dominance in the late game. He can lock down a single target or an entire team with no extra effort.

On top of everything Sion brings to the table (slows, knock-ups, armor shreds, body blocking, a beautiful personality), he also gains a lot from playing support. It is much easier to set up your Q with a lane buddy, and they can follow up on all of your cc with ranged attacks (caitlyn headshot or jhin 4th auto after you have shredded the enemy's armor is disgusting to watch). Sion really has no mobility, so many top lane match-ups are very bad for him - he either can't catch up to them to follow up or they can jump on top of him whenever they want. A lane buddy solves this problem for him.

Also, he can actually use his passive effectively (in the rare situation he dies in lane) - top lane, all he can really do with it is farm a few minions after he dies, since he is unlikely to be able to catch up to the laner/jungler who killed him. As support, he can pop back in to turn a fight around for the adc, or just scare the enemy away from chasing the adc.

And, unlike most other supports (except mage "supports"), he is able to completely hold a lane on his own 1v2 - allowing the adc to back or roam or whatever without worrying about losing the tower after a bad trade or gank.

But, I'll be honest: I have no idea what booty stacks are.

roitferretJun 15, 20161 votes

ur w will stack like crap also u dont need mobility cuz mid game top if ur farming fine then if someones dumb enough to dash in on u they will probably lose almost half there health cuz ur stacking mad health also better supps ill give u a list and reasons also ur a bad supp cuz ur w steals farm and kills ur q is to hard to hit ur e is nice but you have to uprgrade it first making your dmage fall off ur ult is great mobility aking it possibe to charge from lane to lane and set up ur combo but with ur dmg an adc is not needed and is un effective like stunning a person who is rooted

point click knock up a q that keeps you in place a shield and armor pen for both people

Alistar a knock back and a knock up a heal and damage reduc

Braum huge cc bad ass shield dashes to allies and give armor and mr

Nautilus cc for days

Anivia a stun a slow a wall dmg

Veigar a stun and will gain ap no matter what turns into apc really adc supports himso he can stack cuz he doesnt need minions to do so

Trundle a slow wall a speed up zone dmg steal and lie steal mr and armor steal

and alot of other champs

roitferretJun 15, 20161 votes

really it sounds like you cant farm top right so u need an adc to buffer a lane

RalimakJun 15, 20161 votes

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ur w will stack like crap

W stacks are nice, but unnecessary. Support Sion builds full tank, so he gets plenty of health from items. On top of that, efficient use of Relic Shield and your kills and assists give you plenty of stacks, plus (again) you rarely need to back and are able to farm freely while your adc has recalled. I almost never finish a game with less than 400 extra health from my W.

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also u dont need mobility cuz mid game top if ur farming fine then if someones dumb enough to dash in on u they will probably lose almost half there health cuz ur stacking mad health

If you are "stacking mad health" up top, then you have fallen into Nasus' farming simulator trap. That works for Nasus, but for Sion, it isn't that impactful. Again, W stacks are nice, but it takes too much time to get enough for them to really be impactful. If you spend the whole game farming, you aren't helping your team.

Sion's biggest asset is his teamfight dominance. By mid-game you should be roaming the map anyways, using your ult to engage and secure kills for your team.

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ur a bad supp cuz ur w steals farm and kills

There is no reason for you to use your W unless you are engaging or disengaging. In both of these situations, killing one or two minions is hardly an issue, and your shield will usually be broken during the fight, anyways. Stealing a kill with your shield almost never happens and can easily be avoided.

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ur q is to hard to hit ur e is nice but you have to uprgrade it first making your dmage fall off ur ult is great mobility aking it possibe to charge from lane to lane and set up ur combo but with ur dmg an adc is not needed and is un effective like stunning a person who is rooted

Again, support Sion builds full tank. You are not building damage, you are there for cc and teamfight disruption. Also, "with your damage an adc is not needed" can be applied to many of the champions you listed, and isn't really a valid argument, since basically any champion can be built to deal great damage on their own.

If you are playing support Sion, E should be the first ability you max - excellent poke, the most reliable damage and cc of his basic abilities, and the ability you will be using the most and will want off cd the most. Your q will always be hard to hit no matter what lane you are in. Having a lane buddy makes it much easier in many situations, though. It's purpose is to zone the enemy away from your ally and disengage - occasionally you will get a golden opportunity to engage with it when the enemy wastes a dash or is just in a very bad position.

roitferretJun 15, 20161 votes

and those stacks are huge late game a pretty good top laner can have up to 1000 extra health from that alone so if ur building full tank ur losing out on other good items that could be better and for team fight distruption there are much better champs to do that and they are meant to supp what im saying is sion support may be viable but its ineffecient therefore not good he could be played somewere else and be just as much of an impact if not more

RalimakJun 15, 20161 votes

The most health you can get from farming is 34/minute (12 normal minions x 2 health each + 1 cannon minion x 10 health -- it's actually less than that, since cannon minions only spawn every three waves until late game). In order to reach 1000 health, you would have to spend over half an hour doing nothing but farming - you can't miss a single minion, you can't leave lane to gank or get rift herald or help out in a teamfight or buy items. If you do any of that, you turn the half hour farming simulator into more like a 45-50 minute farming simulator.

Like I said before, Sion's greatest asset is his teamfight potential. Early game, yes - you should be focused on farming if you are in a solo lane or jungle - but once you hit level 6 you should be looking for opportunities to roam. If you stay in lane farming, you are wasting your potential as Sion.

True, if you build top lane or jungle Sion full tank, you are losing out on a lot of damage and viability. But support Sion is a different matter. He is a beefy, cc cannon, and full tank suits him in the support position. There are very few champions who can lock down an entire team better than Sion (Amumu, Galio, and Sejuani are the only ones who come to mind) - if you hit your ult, you have up to a 4 second, 5-man stun completely guaranteed. That's like hitting the entire enemy team with Morgana's Dark Binding, and then some. Add in items like Righteous Fury, Iceborne Gauntlet, and Randuin's Omen, and the enemy team will not move. Ever.

I have played Sion in every role - top, jungle, mid, support, even adc a few times (which can work, it just depends on your match-up - mostly just a cheese strategy). While I still love him in other positions, I have the most fun and satisfaction playing him support. I have also played plenty of other support champions. But I have found Sion to be the most versatile and the most consistent against a wide range of match-ups and throughout a game. Is he the best in every situation? No, of course not. But the only REALLY bad match-up he has is vs Kalista (she can basically pretend he isn't there, with her infinite kiting).

Basically, everything you have said in this thread tells me that you have never actually played Sion, and you have certainly never played as or even with a support Sion. Until you have actually tried support Sion yourself, don't talk like you know anything about how good it is or is not.

AIexisJun 13, 20165 votes

I'd rather pick up the kills than having a bad adc not picking it up, or failing and eventually flashing/dying for it. What I learned from over 9400 hours in this game is that you're better off killing the enemy as fast as possible, no matter who gets the kills. (Of course, if you've got vision on everyone else, and got plenty of hp to pick it up, and it won't cost anyone their summs, I'll let them get the kill, I won't pick it up as support.)

But yeah, let's say there's a teamfight, and we put their adc to 150hp. I know my team is there, and can pick up the kill. But, there's a possibility that my team misses their skillshots, get kited, are cc'd by someone else. Then, this 150hp adc will just lifesteal/get away/Deal like 5k damage to my team THAT WOULDN'T HAVE HAPPENNED IF I SIMPLY PICKED UP THE KILL. It's simply not worth the little gold it gives the adc in the end.

YouRockRockJun 13, 20161 votes

Agreed. If it's an obvious, safe kill, give it to your ADC. Otherwise, keep hitting. It's not worth the risk. The ADC will still get assist gold, and if you starve the opposing team of gold they will obviously become easier for ADC to kill later in the game.

ImmortalBloodCYJun 14, 20163 votes

As a Taric main I dont regret it :P

The AqualiousJun 15, 20161 votes

One must love his outrageous game play

zlumpyJun 13, 20161 votes

I don't try to it just happens!...seriously I had a Taric kill on someone that was like 1000 distance away and all I had on the guy fighting was bastion. How do I get the kill when I didn't even dazzle!