When somebody says it's the support's job to ward

IcyPepper·May 6, 2015·53 votes·4,853 views

to the support with sightstone as an excuse to never ward themselves, ever.

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56 Comments

Laughing FishMay 6, 201534 votes

If you don't upgrade your trinket, you have no right to complain about vision. http://mtv.mtvnimages.com/uri/mgid:file:http:shared:mtv.com/news/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/Feel-1430165658.gif

SEKAIMay 6, 201521 votes

I love you OP.

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SirsirMay 6, 20152 votes

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A Small DogMay 6, 201514 votes

I had one game awhile back, I was Janna supp, pretty early game, and all of a sudden in chat I see the midlane Yasuo just straight bitching up a storm that I didn't ward his lane, or roamed up to land a Q so he can use his ult. Like it's not only my responsibility to ward his lane but also land his skillshots for him.

I have no problem roaming when I can. But not when I get a blood thirsty Cait, Thresh, and a jg Udyr who thought bot lane was a nice place to take a camping trip. Was funny to see them throw a tantrum and threaten to kill my dog though, if I had a dog, I might have cared. XD

IcyPepperMay 6, 20159 votes

Like it's not only my responsibility to ward his lane but also land his skillshots for him.

Remind me why it's Nidalee and not every support ever who has a maid skin? -_-

A Tall JokeMay 6, 201518 votes

Maid Taric skin. Rito plis

blueberrypancakeMay 6, 20153 votes

Outragous Taric

Shield VillainMay 7, 20155 votes

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Ariel the CruelMay 6, 20157 votes

Was funny to see them throw a tantrum and threaten to kill my dog though, if I had a dog, I might have cared.

You were playing support. Pretty sure they were referring to your ADC.

There's not exactly much difference between them.

A Small DogMay 6, 20155 votes

I dunno... dogs listen to directions for the most part or are at least really adorable when they're breathtakingly stupid.

I think of "those" ADCs as that fat special kid our parents made us invite to our birthday party. Who leave a strange oily substance on everything they touch, and then somehow get their head stuck in the stairs so we have to call the fire department.

MrPigedMay 7, 20151 votes

Sounds like a personal issue, I,ll leave it alone.

Ariel the CruelMay 7, 20152 votes

I dunno... dogs listen to directions for the most part or are at least really adorable when they're breathtakingly stupid.

They listen when they're trained to. Most ADC's haven't been through obedience school. I blame PITA.

(You're second part . . . I'm not even touching that. . .)

A Small DogMay 7, 20151 votes

Yes I wouldn't touch that either, my little brother did and said he had to wash his hands like 4 times.

MrPigedMay 7, 20151 votes

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You were playing support. Pretty sure they were referring to your ADC.

She said she was Janna Janna and yas Yasuo wanted her to land q's for his lane, probably talking to support still. But I can see where your coming from.

DeliothMay 7, 20151 votes

Talking about killing her dog. ADC = Dog

Tin TarantinoMay 7, 20151 votes

ADC Nasus , new Meta

junglerboy16May 6, 20156 votes

And then there's that time when you find that super rare Support who refuses to ward even when you ask them nicely.

Me—"Can you ward up dragon?" Support—"Ward it yourself, it isn't just my job!" Me—"I already have 3 greens and a pink and I don't have any left in inventory, you don't have any down atm." Support—"Stop abusing me! I can't do everything for you! Why does nobody ever ward except support!" Me—"But I do have wards down?" Support—"Then why do you need me to?!?" and so on.

I play jungle and support a lot, so it particularly annoys me when the people who have the easiest time warding (jungle or support, whichever I'm not at the time) are the ones refusing to do it.

IcyPepperMay 6, 20153 votes

Believe me, I know how you feel. This post is just a humorous example of one of many instances of terrible warding, but supports and junglers are not exempt from being stupid from time to time.

biomasterMay 6, 20153 votes

Ty, i'm sick of having to buy sightstone when i support when literally everyone takes ward trinket and they can upgrade it for 2 wards per person= 10 wards total I got called an idiot for arguing this at my team. In my defense this is the same team that said I was bad for not warding top, even though it wasn't my lane and I was helping my adc entire time. The hp is just what you get from a ruby crystal- that's pretty sad. I'd much rather get useful items that give me stats to help my team out. Such as sunfire, rod of aged, or whatever else actually works in my build. Bad enough I have to fill a slot with a supp item for majority of the game but this crap too?

ninjanomnomMay 6, 20151 votes

Ideally most of the team should have red trinket with only situational yellow trinkets. Whether or not your team is actually doing this should have no impact on you as a support since you should be building sightstone every game anyway. I'm a happy support if, for example, we have 3 red, 1 blue, and 1 yellow trinket on the team even if they aren't upgraded. Improvements on this would be upgraded trinkets of course.

Don't underestimate pink wards either. Everyone should get one or more, ESPECIALLY if the team is winning. People other than the support or sometimes jungler can use their pinks defensively to protect buffs or river entrances. The support on the other hand should be using it to get objectives like dragon and baron.

My favorite games in soloq are when everyone gets a pink when we're ahead and places them to protect river entrances, then I place wards to protect the pinks and deep ward. It allows for far superior vision and stops surprises before they even happen.

TL:DR Wards are maphacks, deny vision, get sightstone.

biomasterMay 6, 20151 votes

Look say all you want about vision. It gets relegated to support cause no one else takes it. Why doesn't the jungler take it? he roams more then the supp. Why doesnt adc buy it? same lane as me. It's a poor item and at this point if they believe vision is so important why don't they invest 800 gold for their over priced ruby crystal. Again I think vision is important, I'm just sick of this burden being shoved on me like it's the only way to win the game. Heck pretty sure they put the 3 ward cap to try and make the other teammates more responsible for warding.

ninjanomnomMay 6, 20151 votes

Why doesn't the jungler take it? he roams more then the supp.

That looks more like a reason to ward more not a reason to ward less. The jungler should be warding the second most in the game and should also have a red trinket to clear wards when they gank.

Why doesn't adc buy it? same lane as me.

Ignoring the fact that sightstone does nothing for an adc to get them to their late game, your job as support is to get your adc through the early and middle portions of the game. They should still get pinks but regular wards aren't necessary on an adc.

It's a poor item and at this point if they believe vision is so important why don't they invest 800 gold for their over priced ruby crystal.

Sightstone is more gold efficient than buying green wards as a support. There's a lot of math about this actually sitting on the forums or reddit or support guides if you care to look it up. In short though, if it isn't gold efficient for you then you aren't warding enough.

Again I think vision is important, I'm just sick of this burden being shoved on me like it's the only way to win the game. Heck pretty sure they put the 3 ward cap to try and make the other teammates more responsible for warding.

I'll just link this here.

QsarioMay 7, 20151 votes

{quoted}

Ty, i'm sick of having to buy sightstone when i support when literally everyone takes ward trinket and they can upgrade it for 2 wards per person= 10 wards total I got called an idiot for arguing this at my team.

Support needs to have a red trinket, though, once they get sightstone, at least. They also should be upgrading it later. Your jungler might well take red too, so you really won't have enough wards on your team and you'll run out and be unable to ward during fights if you neglect to buy sightstone as support. Also, ward killing supplies you with delicious gold. But yes, you probably will still have to buy pinks when securing dragon/baron to clear wards that may get dropped over the walls mid-fight.

Warding is everyone's job, though. I see too many people who never ward after lane and just let their trinket sit there.

DemonBoneJanglesMay 6, 20153 votes

This thread caught my attention since I myself, 90% of the time am the support on my team. personally I LOATHE the item 2049 and item 2045 , since to me and my duo partner it is wholly unneeded, however I do see the benefit of the items wards, that being said while the wards are nice to have if your the only one warding to begin with, your team has zero right to complain about vision because you have 4 other players with trinkets and the four seconds it take to buy a dang ward in the shop if they really need it, but yet they whine that you the support aren't warding enough. well tough balls I get three from the sightstone and two from my trinket someone else can ward the other half of the map

IcyPepperMay 6, 20151 votes

You do have a point. I LOVE the item, but people force the support to buy it or (surprisingly common enough) tell the support they'll be reported.

It's annoying that people force the lowest gold income role to spend 800 gold in the first five minutes of the game on vision, but have some odd difficulty either spending 250 gold for a free, recharging sightstone that doesn't take up an item slot (Rito plz, move sightstone here) or 75 gold on the occasional ward when they get cs.

I find it as a crutch, however. People go "We have sightstone, we have vision!" and just end it there. No, that's not enough. Sightstone and your trinkets are not enough to win the vision game, you need to buy actual wards and get three of them on the map. Three sightstone and four trinket wards is not nearly enough to cover the map, but fifteen green wards and five pink wards is basically legal map hax.

Hell, I'm starting to take it on junglers just to see how useful it is, and I still do my job just as effectively. I'm done buying wards, cinderhulk junglers can use sightstone beautifully and without hindrance. Just why can't laners buy wards?

Ayame IsakiMay 6, 20152 votes

I usually outward our item 2049 support with my mid-lane item 3361 . Upgraded trinket is actually far more useful as you don't have to back to refill it. I still get sightstone on support though so I can snag item 3341 (or item 3364 if I'm against stealth).

HellpyreMay 6, 20151 votes

{quoted} fifteen green wards and five pink wards is basically legal map hax.

Heck, if I can get a team to each drop a pink near one of our jungle camps to keep the jungler from being counter-jungled without a response, we're already ahead for less than the gold from a tower.

IcyPepperMay 6, 20151 votes

not to mention if you collapse on the jungler for kill gold

It's like these wards pay for themselves

HouseCat01May 7, 20151 votes

then this post may be right for you:

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/0jtsiE88-i-see-no-reason-why-we-still-only-have-one-flavor-of-sightstone?

Space BumMay 6, 20153 votes

I've played A LOT of Gangplank support. I've recently resolved to buying a couple item 2044 and going item 3361 at level 9 instead of item 3364 and item 2045 . Suck it.

IcyPepperMay 6, 20153 votes

That's right, you tell the haters to suck your citric acid!

And GP support ain't bad at all. Thanks to his one spell, he can take item 3302 and make a shit ton of gold, amiright?

Space BumMay 6, 20153 votes

Unfortunately... I take item 3303 ... I've had others try to correct me on it but I like the mana regen and my goal is to poke as much as possible because I go full crit support GP (full crit chance/crit damage runes) . I have gotten the most compliments on my support GP though. I don't know where I'm at with him now but out of my first 20 games trying him as support I was at 18wins 2loses.

junglerboy16May 6, 20154 votes

I think GP is probably the only champ that could actually pull off any of the support item starts.

item 3302 for easy gold and sustain. item 3303 for harder harass and poke. item 3301 for a weaker lane but glorious team fight engage with it and your E.

Space BumMay 6, 20153 votes

True.

Ariel the CruelMay 6, 20152 votes

Look up the GangPlank game on the old forums.

The basic idea: Before the match, ask one of your team mates for a color. Then all of your items in game have to correspond as closely to that color as possible. Proceed to stomp.

It's actually rather fun[ny].

BemaponMay 7, 20152 votes

Had a ranked game where our first pick asked for a color. We picked blue, he banned all blue champs and we all only picked blue champs. It was a lot of fun.

CansemaMay 7, 20153 votes

http://38.media.tumblr.com/b2337cc322c95fe93f90f7c203501ed6/tumblr_namac5amAx1qb9pa3o1_500.gif Hold me brother.

air tigerMay 6, 20152 votes

It's another thread about upgrading trinkets. I thought by now people would know to do so, but these threads keep popping up and I can't do anything but support them. Every game I play, there are 3-4 players that refuse or neglect to upgrade their trinkets. item 3151

Ariel the CruelMay 7, 20153 votes

I think this thread is less about upgrading the trinkets...

... and more about using them. At all.

air tigerMay 7, 20152 votes

item 3151

IcyPepperMay 7, 20151 votes

In the end, it doesn't matter.

Because either way, Jack can draw the map like one of his French girls.

TheTyeGuyMay 6, 20152 votes

We fell behind in a game today when I was playing support. I checked the minimap and noticed that there were only three wards on the map. I placed one down and saw one of the others disappear. They were all my wards.

I was LITERALLY the only person warding that game, until I reminded my allies that they had trinkets.

Nekro GamingMay 7, 20152 votes

Right dude I get complaints about not warding all the time as a support, when I'm buying multiple stealth wards every few minutes :/ just because i dont have sightstone doesnt mean im not warding -_-

IcyPepperMay 7, 20153 votes

Support lyfe.

If I had a dollar for every time I saw a laner with a ward in their inventory, maybe I could go to McDonalds for dinner.

Ariel the CruelMay 7, 20152 votes

Surprise!

They were all actually support mains just screwing around in other roles.

IcyPepperMay 7, 20152 votes

Well I guess everyone just wants me to starve. ;~;

Pew Pew LasersMay 7, 20152 votes

item 3361 item 3362 only costs 250g, lasts 3m refreshes every 60s and stacks wards. There is no excuse Support should need to buy additional warding. Everyone gets free wards, learn to use them.

If the game ends and you warded less than 10 times in a 45m game, no matter your position you should be reported and banned.

Nayru Din FaroreMay 7, 20151 votes

{quoted}

only costs 250g, lasts 3m refreshes every 60s and stacks wards. There is no excuse Support should need to buy additional warding. Everyone gets free wards, learn to use them.

If the game ends and you warded less than 10 times in a 45m game, no matter your position you should be reported and banned.

item 3361 when upgraded and placed next to an enemy ward it actually reveals it as if it was the true sight ward this is a bug or its suppose to do so?

Pew Pew LasersMay 7, 20151 votes

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when upgraded and placed next to an enemy ward it actually reveals it as if it was the true sight ward this is a bug or its suppose to do so?

I dun derped up. item 3362 is the one you're talking about. Base version item 3340 you get 2 choices. is limit 1 place, 1 charge limit, 2m cd, visible, true sight. item 3361 is the one I was talking about. 3 place limit, 2 charge limit, 1m cd, stealthed, no true sight.