When you have to lane against LeBlanc as a melee champion

Pentarina Only·Jan 7, 2016·32 votes·2,916 views

And you get 1 shotted after she gets level 6. http://i.imgur.com/BJ5L2Rr.gif

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Handin Out NapsJan 8, 201610 votes

When Kat goes 0-5 in lane and gets a penta kill http://i.imgur.com/BJ5L2Rr.gif

Pentarina OnlyJan 8, 20161 votes

Well that's what Katarina does... Clean up.

YakshaJan 7, 20163 votes

When you blind pick a melee without a gapcloser into LeBlanc*

AeszarckJan 7, 20162 votes

Unless you see Galio's E as a gapcloser, he doesn't have one and yet he does fine. :P

PoskeJan 7, 20163 votes

Katarina has a problem against le bl?

What if I told you Katarina counters le bl you are just bad

Pentarina OnlyJan 7, 20163 votes

You must do a lot of drugs to be able to beat LB as Katarina.

PoskeJan 7, 20162 votes

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You must do a lot of drugs to be able to beat LB as Katarina.

I main both Its ezy matchup for katarina...

Joe DreddJan 8, 20161 votes

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I main both Its ezy matchup for katarina...

agree just rush negatron and throw 2 q for poke and then all in

ÑapoleoniJan 7, 20162 votes

I honestly have to agree with Sub HeroCro. When up against LB place a ward at or near your tower, and every time she Q's you, just expect a W and E to the ward. Poke her with Q's if you max that first (I max W Cause I'm hipster), and it should be a (boring) but easy match up.

Also when she recalls just roam bot for ez double.

Also, I know this is gonna get a ton of down votes because people don't understand what "Play Safe" means against early game dominate champions.

Pentarina OnlyJan 7, 20162 votes

If you even have a reaction time quick enough... Not only that her q alone does enough damage to shove you back enough so you can't CS. And just 1 Q proc practically 1 shots you. If you have 0 problems beating LB as Katarina then that LB is just bad.

ÑapoleoniJan 7, 20161 votes

Idk I find it pretty easy to tell when a Leblanc wants to engage on me. The walk up press Q sends out alarms thats " O shit this Leblanc is gonna engage on me"

And her Q doesn't really do that much damage unless she gets a double proc of it. You might say "O what about at level 6 you can't dodge that burst." True, but it's on like a 40 seconds CD early game.

aítchJan 7, 20162 votes

Trust me it happens to the ranged champs as well just as much. And I thought Annie countered lb NOPE PASSIVE POP TRY TO Q THAT HUE

DorkunedAurasJan 7, 20163 votes

Q her first, then use your RW to hit her since, while you can't see her, you know where she is because you stunned her.

Slamurai JackJan 7, 20166 votes

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Q her first, then use your RW to hit her since, while you can't see her, you know where she is because you stunned her.

That kind of thinking is just far too advanced for most of the people on these boards. I still applaud you for trying though.

Photos of GhostsJan 7, 20165 votes

That kind of *reaction speed

Handin Out NapsJan 8, 20161 votes

Nah thinking aswell.

aítchJan 7, 20163 votes

You don't q first for a reason. It isn't instant. So in that time the q is in the air she can just w away and herp derp la la HA fuck lb

NazZomLordJan 7, 20162 votes

Kassadin Are you sure it will be she that will do the one shotting?

Ariel the CruelJan 8, 20163 votes

After all those nerfs, it certainly won't be you. ;p

NazZomLordJan 8, 20161 votes

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After all those nerfs, it certainly won't be you. ;p

False, a good Kass will get over 1k AP 3k HP and will do a combo for 2.9k Damage in around 1 second. Obvioulsy you dont know what Kassadin does.

Ariel the CruelJan 8, 20165 votes

Ooh, I like this game!

WARNING: Every thing quoted is MATH. Reader beware.

Rabadon:120 [+30%] Hourglass: 100 Luden's: 100 Rylai's: 100 Seraphs: 80 [+0.03 mana] (+1 000 mana) RoA: 120 (+800 mana) Kassadin: 0 (+1537 mana) 620 raw Mana = 3 337 [100.11 AP] 720.11 AP Arch modified Rabadon passive = 216.033 936.143 all item modifiers

RoAx4: 480 (+3200 mana) Seraphs: 80 [+0.03 mana] (+1 000 mana) Rabadon:120 [+30%] Kassadin: 0 (+1537 mana) 680 raw Mana = 5737 [172.11 AP] 852.11 Arch modified Rabadon passive = 255.633 1 107.743 all item modifiers

RoAx4: 2 000 (500x4) Kassadin: 1890 3890 Raw health

Ok, so we've established that he CAN hit those values. But you'd need a pretty long game to pull that build off.

RoAx3: 360 AP, 2400 mana, 1500 health Rylai's: 100 AP, 400 Health Seraphs: 80 [+0.03 mana] (+1 000 mana) Rabadon:120 [+30%] Kassadin: 0 AP, 1537 mana, 1890 health 660 Raw AP mana = 5290 [158.7] 818.7 arch modified Rabadon passive = 245.61 1 064.31 AP 3790 Health

Ok, what's the max AP we can get from runes? Scaling seal: 1.8 = 16.2 Scaling Mark: 1.8 = 16.2 Scaling Glyph: 3.06 = 27.54 Scaling Quint: 7.74 = 23.22 83.16 Masteries: 15 98.16 So that might give us enough to remove another RoA.

rune/mast: 98.16 AP RoAx2: 240 AP, 1600 mana, 1000 health Rylai's: 100 AP, 400 Health Seraphs: 80 [+0.03 mana] (+1 000 mana) Rabadon:120 [+30%] Lich Bane: 80 AP, 250 mana Kassadin: 0 AP, 1537 mana, 1890 health 718.16 Raw AP mana = 3487 [104.61] 822.77 arch modified Rabadon passive: 246.831 1069.601 AP 3290 Health

Ok, now to see if I can remove another RoA. . . rune/mast: 98.16 AP RoA: 120AP, 800 mana, 500 health Rylai's: 100 AP, 400 Health Seraphs: 80 [+0.03 mana] (+1 000 mana) Rabadon:120 [+30%] Lich Bane: 80 AP, 250 mana Liandry's: 80 AP, 300 health Kassadin: 0 AP, 1537 mana, 1890 health 678.16 raw AP mana = 3587 [107.61] 785.77 Arch modified Rabadon passive = 235.731 1021.501 AP 3090 health Unfortunatly, I can't remove that last RoA without breaking 3k health.

Ok. So we've found your build. Lets see what kind of damage it does!

Q: 170 + .7AP W: [20 + .1AP]+[140 + .7AP] = 160 + .8AP (for 1 AA) E: 180 + .7AP R: [120 + .2AP + .02mana]x4 = [480 + .8AP + .08mana] For 1 rotation assuming max stacks 990 + 3.0AP + .08mana 1021.501x3 = 3064.503 3587x0.08 = 286.96 4341.463 (+ Lich bane, Liandry's, & masteries)

We overshot that just a little... Q: 170 + .7AP W: [20 + .1AP]+[140 + .7AP] = 160 + .8AP (for 1 AA) E: 180 + .7AP R: 120 + .2AP + .02mana 630 + 2.4AP + 0.02mana 1021.501x2.4 = 2451.6024 3587x0.02 = 71.74 3153.3424 (+ Lich Bane, Liandry's, & masteries)

Overshot it again. Q: 170 + .7AP W: 20 + .1AP E: 180 + .7AP R: 120 + .2AP + .02mana 490 + 1.7AP + 0.02mana 1021.501x1.7 = 1736.5517 3587x0.02 = 71.74 2298.2917 Close! Lich Bane: [.75AD + .5AP]=[(125x0.75)+(1021.501x0.5)]=[93.75+510.7505]=604.5005 2902.7922

So based only on the info you gave (1k+ AP, 3k HP, 2.9k damage), I have found both your build AND your combo! Build: item 3027 item 3116 item 3003 item 3089 item 3100 item 3151 Runes: All scaling AP Masteries: maxed Natural talent, not thunderlord's. Combo: Q -> R (no stacks) -> AA -> E

That comes out to: AP: 1021.501 Health: 3090 Damage: 2902.7922

What do I win?

EDIT: Just for laughs....

500 +1.0AP + .8AP(enemy) 1021.501x0.8 = 817.2008 1317.2008

3090 HP, 30 MR, 15% Magic damage reduction MR= [30/(100+30)] = 0.2307692307692308 -> 23.07692307692308% 3090x30% = 927.6 3090x15% = 463.5 4481.1 effective magic health 4481.1-1317.2008 = 3163.8992 (I don't know how Kassidin's passive stacks with MR, so I'm just going to assume additive.)

So for Veigar to genuinely 1-shot you (He and Nasus being the only champions that reasonably could 1-shot somebody), he would need 3163.8662 AP.

Shield VillainJan 8, 20161 votes

You don't need that much ap....like at all. His Ult has 100% scaling, same with his W. Once you hit 1k AP you have enough to wipe out any mage with 2k Health. Even easier if they have less than that much health. Like Lux. Even W alone will one shot some times.

Ariel the CruelJan 8, 20161 votes

The edit was to see how much AP Veiger would need to 1-shot Kassadin with that build. "1-shot" meaning only 1 ability is used (his ult). Using that build, Kassadin would have 4481.1 effective health. Subtract Veiger's base damage and Kassadin's AP ratio and you get 3161.8662. Because Veiger's ult does bonus damage equal to his AP (1.0AP scaling), that's the amount of AP he would need to 1-shot this 3k health Kassadin. (Unless I'm stacking Kas' passive wrong, which is entirely possible.)

MorbiusmanJan 8, 20161 votes

You are also ignoring magic pen Veigar may have from build/runes/masteries. Assuming both builds are done in a vaccum, and Veigar went "Who needs defense", I can see him getting past MR and (if he farmed well) hitting 2k ap. I remember when Veigar's ult was 1.2 ratio, meaning if you got in an ap race with the other apc, you could get the effect of basically having an ult with 2.0 ap ratio.

Ariel the CruelJan 8, 20161 votes

You are also ignoring magic pen Veigar may have from build/runes/masteries.

You're right. I am. Because I didn't give Veiger a build. I only calculated raw AP. Even if he did have pen/shred though, it wouldn't affect Kassadin's passive.

Handin Out NapsJan 8, 20161 votes

If you are losing to lb as Kassadin I think you need to find out what you are doing wrong. Kassadin isn't even weak, he is still a strong champion.

Ariel the CruelJan 8, 20162 votes

Never called him weak. But he's not about to 1-shot anybody on equal footing.

Handin Out NapsJan 8, 20161 votes

This is true. I get it now (:

SelflessTeammateJan 7, 20162 votes

Look, in terms of champion select, there is no hard counter to LeBlanc early game. Let's just get that out of the way right now. Unless LB is just downright bad, you're not going to win duels early on.

Having said that, I don't care who you pick, just don't feed her, and she'll stay useless late-game. Her win rate has always been pretty bad for that reason alone. She's always been useless late-game if unfed, and while it's about as fun as laning against a Heimerdinger (read: it's not, at all), it's really the best way to deal with her. LeBlanc has to snowball, and if she doesn't, she's not going to be worth anything later on.

I dunno why people think they have to trade with her, because you don't. There's this weird myth that winning lane means killing your lane opponent before they kill you, when it, well, doesn't. That's not what it means. Just don't make any trades. If she out-farms you and zones the hell out of you, fine, it's still better than feeding her, and her farming isn't exactly great, anyway. She's not Karthus, she doesn't have the tools to just farm her way to being fed. She needs kills, so don't give them to her and you just won the lane.

Trash MammaIJan 8, 20161 votes

You're both wrong and correct at so many points in this comment idek what to vote

SelflessTeammateJan 8, 20161 votes

shrug I'm used to being disagreed with, but not usually because of logical points that make any sense. Normally it's someone saying, "Well, they did this in LCS/Challenger and succeeded a buncha times, so you're wrong because of these exceptionally isolated incidents among the best players in the universe", which is of course nonsense, because even the people who habitually study and copy those players can't do the same thing, or else they'd be in those matches. I wish someone would use something other than that when talking about anything gameplay-related.

elon wątrobaJan 8, 20161 votes

Garen heuhueue

Hedgehog HustlerJan 8, 20161 votes

Yeah LB has very little counterplay early game and at 6. However those with really high burst damage, like Teemo or Fizz (?), can deal with her so it's difficult for her to do anything other than stay behind minions and farm until laning phase is over.