What 99.999999999 % Of All Junglers Hear Every Game

King Odin·Dec 8, 2015·27 votes·2,422 views

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Trash MammaIDec 8, 20158 votes

I never understood the concept of calling a lane with such confidence..getting horribly rekt early on and wondering why your jungler is scared to gank for you.

Rather help lanes actually snowballing rather than give up a possible double

GubaguyDec 8, 20154 votes

Calling a lane means nothing if your opponent is jsut better then you, or counterpicks you hard.
so lets say its toplane jax getting snowballed on the enemy team, meanwhile your botlane is snowballing becuas eyou are camping... who wins? Jax, clearly, who can ignore bot compeltley, split all day, and 2 shot your ADC. a jungler job is to STOP people form snowballing, and pick up kills for their team WHEN THEY CAN. not jsut snowball one person and hope they win the game later.

RandomoniumDec 8, 20153 votes

That's not how it works most times though. Many times one of our lanes will give up a kill or two before the jungler even completes their first clear. This puts junglers in a really difficult position because now even if we gank that lane there is a good chance he can take us 2v1 since he has such a huge gold and experience advantage. On top of that, junglers have to be really concerned with getting counter ganked if we gank that lane because that will almost always result in a double kill for the enemy team.

It is far less risky for a jungler to try and snowball another lane and yet it still gives your team a reasonable chance to come back in the game because each team has one person that is fed.

GubaguyDec 8, 20151 votes

my arguement still stands. snowballing the wrong champs, or ignoring snowballign champs on the enemy team more often then not results in a loss. my last game i was playign quinn top vs olaf. I killed him firest becuase he DC'd out of range of his tower, then got ahead in cs, recalled, came back with far more damage and started setting up to get armour pen.

He came back into lane behind, ran upt to me, tanking 2 waves of minions, and kileld me taking less then 25% of his HP in damage.

From there it was all downhill, i couldnt shove becuase of how easily he cleared waves, i couldnt defend because of how hard he hit with his poke, and my jungler refused to help. Finally i gave up and left lane and within minuntes olaf had shoved lane and taken the next 2 towers and the inhib. All becuase my jungler refused to stop olaf from snowballing once he started. He insisted he woudl rather help botlane get fed, and guess what? fed ADC lsot hard to olaf who only had a couple kills. Junglers need to make the RIGHT plays, not the ones they THINK are the right plays.

RandomoniumDec 8, 20152 votes

There is no such thing as a guaranteed kill. Like it or not you made a mistake that allowed the Olaf to kill you. It is not your Jungler's fault that you made that mistake. Should he have come to help? Maybe. Its hard to tell at that point. Getting the ADC fed was definitely the safe decision. Just because your ADC was too bad to carry doesn't mean the Jungler didn't make the right call.

You should never rely on your jungler to win your lane. Even if your lane snowballs if you play smart you can slow down the snowballing champion. Then its up to the rest of your team to snowball harder than the person you are trying to delay. If they can't do that then you ALL lost the game, not just your jungler. I can't tell you how many times I've been top lane against a guy who gets babysat by his jungler or counterpicks me hard. I love when that happens because I play smart and don't give them any free kills. This usually frustrates people into making poor decisions that I can exploit.

I played a game against a Quinn top recently when I was Jayce. I knew she had kill pressure on me so I played safe and poked her. She burned flash offensively several times but wasn't able to kill me until I made a mistake and engaged too soon when my mid laner came to help me. I realized that for the mistake it was and didn't blame my mid laner or my jungler. When I came back to lane I continued to play safe and was able to stay within 10 cs of her (despite not receiving a single gank after that.) Even after my team fed the Quinn 7 kills on roams (despite me pinging retreat, MIA and warning) I still never gave up a solo kill to the Quinn and I held top for pretty much the entire game despite receiving no jungler help.

You lost to the Olaf because you underestimated his power and misplayed your advantage, not because the Jungler didn't gank for you.

GubaguyDec 9, 20151 votes

misplayed my advantage? HE TANKED 2 WAVES AND KILLED ME WHILE TAKIGN NO DAMAGE. He bought pure tank items, and i bought lord domi as my first complete item, you cant misplay that, he went tank, i boguht anti tank, he had no damage, no speed, nothing, but he chunked so hard and took so little damage it didnt matter. and whats worse is he was pushed all game, if my jungler had come top, boom, free kills. the game coudl haev EASILY been him rotating between top and bot, but naw, get the adc who cant do shit agaisnt olaf fed. the adc with no anti tank items, no sustain, and all crit.

and thats not just a comment on how junglers need to make the right plays, olaf is jsut pure BS as a champion, literally no reason an underfarmed, unfed olaf shoudl be able to take on a fed ADC.

RandomoniumDec 9, 20151 votes

That might be how you remember it but Olaf is not an overpowered champion. He's sitting right at 50% win rate in plat+ games. In fact, Quinn is listed as one of the strongest counters to him right now with Olaf only having a 44.8% win rate in that matchup.

You got outplayed, pure and simple. That's not the junglers fault. If you die solo to another champion, especially if you have the early lead and are in a favorable matchup, then you did something wrong. Whether you want to accept that and learn from your mistakes is up to you.

http://champion.gg/champion/Olaf/Top

GubaguyDec 9, 20151 votes

oh well, if the 1% say hes not OP, then i guess hes not, clearly the other 99% mean nothing, so sorry to have argued a perfectly valid point with you, i was wrong, gg, you win.

sure am glad that the 1% determines the entire balance of the game, in fact, we should jsut have entry tourney to lol, and if you dont score at least plat or better, you are instantly IP banned, and then the game will be fine because 99% of the community wont comaplin about things, since only plat players will be abel to play.

oh yeah also, about your "statistics"

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vayne has the hgihest popularity in the NA servers, but a lower winrate then quinn, quinn has a far lower popularity then vayne but a higher winrate, and quinn jsut got nerfed over vayne who does PERCENT HP TRUE DAMAGE, AND GOT BUFFED. but once again, the 1% controls the game.

RandomoniumDec 9, 20151 votes

The point I was trying to make is that people who are actually good at this game don't have a problem against Olaf. This reinforces my point that you made a mistake and that there was something you could have done differently to prevent Olaf from snowballing. Olaf is not OP, the statistics prove that, you just don't know how to play against him.

Quinn is extremely overpowered right now. I've been playing her and playing against her and her damage is at absolutely absurd levels. She has dominating win rates top, mid and at ADC right now. That's why she is getting nerfed.

Statistics, whether you like it or not, hold a lot more weight than the single opinion of one player. You say Olaf is OP yet you don't have any strong evidence to support that claim. I show you statistics of thousands of players over thousands of games showing you that you are incorrect and you dismiss it with a meme. That's about the most idiotic and childish thing I've seen. If you want to have a discussion bring some actual decent arguments and proof for your claims, don't try to disrespect people just because they disagree with you.

GubaguyDec 9, 20151 votes

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RandomoniumDec 9, 20151 votes

I've never seen a vayne 1v3 people at level 6. Ever. Not even in a vayne highlights montage. Please link me some videos of this since you seem to think it happens so often. Vayne can do some amazing stuff late game if she's fed but she's not unbeatable at level 6.

I'm glad Quinn is finally getting some love but Riot definitely over tweaked her. A single champ shouldn't have ridiculous win rates top, mid and ADC and also be able to jungle very effectively. That's just too powerful.

It sure seems like you are blind because you don't give any good arguments. I would love to see things from your point of view but I can't because you won't give me any evidence that supports your opinion. You also won't give any evidence to counter what I've said, you just insult me and act like a child. I'm trying to keep this civil and all I'm getting for you is disrespect and it's completely undeserved. Do you always do this with people who disagree with you?

Have a nice day :-)

GubaguyDec 9, 20151 votes

well congrats, you actually got my post removed, for... "harrassment" when all i did was point out how wrong you were, good job. i also love how in the post that got removed was in resposne to a psot where you directly say... "thats about the most idiodic and childish thing ive seen"

cute how you directly ahrass me and i respond with no harassment whatsoever, and my post gets removed.

RandomoniumDec 10, 20151 votes

Yes, you telling me to "fuck off" was a very well thought out argument. How could I be so blind!

Still waiting on those videos. I can't wait to see an unfed vayne 1v3 someone at level 6.

ahferroin7Dec 8, 20151 votes

What bugs me more is when I ask for a gank early, repeatedly, the jungle ignores it, my opponent gets fed, the jungle finally comes in to gank, fails, and then says 'how did they get fed?'...

TBH, a lot of this is because there are a lot of people playing jungle who really don't understand how to actually help their team.

gottrjrDec 8, 20151 votes

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What bugs me more is when I ask for a gank early, repeatedly, the jungle ignores it, my opponent gets fed, the jungle finally comes in to gank, fails, and then says 'how did they get fed?'...

TBH, a lot of this is because there are a lot of people playing jungle who really don't understand how to actually help their team.

A couple things to consider. Did you have your lane pushed when you asked for help? It is a waste of time to gank a pushed lane for some junglers. Sometimes there are better ganking opportunities, and while I understand you need help, kill security is more important.

ahferroin7Dec 9, 20151 votes

90% of the time when this happens, yes, my opponent has me consistently fighting under tower, so it's pretty trivial for a jungler to cut them off and have a really good chance of getting a kill.

That Murphys LawDec 8, 20154 votes

Yesterday in ranked, enemy jungler tower dove me bot lane and got baited/killed by heal. Next during a jungle invade by us he was killed as xin lacks escape

Their top lane proceeded to rage about the lack of help from the feeding jungler and demanded we report them...

Remember kids, having a bad game is grounds for report! [slayer-jinx-catface]

On Your SideDec 8, 20153 votes

Bad reasons to blame your jungler:

You overextended without vision and get ganked.
You made a misplay and died on your own accord.
Your jungler was securing another objective/already ganking another lane.

Good reasons to blame your jungler:

Your jungler messes up and feeds your lane.
Your jungler doesn't install jungle pressure and you get shoved 24/7.
Your jungler failed to properly smite dragon/baron and lost it to a long-ranged ability.

MrGemsDec 8, 20153 votes

4.Your Jungler doesn't gank at all until level 6... when they're playing Elise or Nidalee.

ahferroin7Dec 8, 20151 votes

Your jungle doesn't gank at all until laning phase is long since over, then wonders why the person they ganked is fed...

KDragonLDec 8, 20151 votes

I blame my jungler when he is at Gromp every single time dragon spawns.

MasterSomethingDec 8, 20151 votes

Is this for our jungler or the enemy jungler

jerradwolfDec 8, 20151 votes

because if things go wrong. its never your fault. #blamethejungler #justjunglerthings

aítchDec 8, 20151 votes

Yeah I never got this right? Now brb I gotta go yell at the Elise for never coming mid...

gottrjrDec 8, 20151 votes

This:

1.You overextended without vision and get ganked.

Happens all the time and the blame pours in.... FFS if you already have tower then roam.

I got blamed for not flashing and trying to steal dragon. Prior to this, I requested the team to come to dragon for a fight and two of them recalled and two never came. FFS people be there for the dragon fight.

ahferroin7Dec 8, 20151 votes

Add a majority of supports when the ADC makes stupid choices and loses lane as a result...

JakenoffDec 8, 20151 votes

I had a game last night like this. I don't typically play junglers, but I did so I could let a friend play mid. Bot lane gave a double kill to Miss Fortune before I even had red buff (was playing Nocturne and started blue since I was on red side). Was blamed by our ADC for not being in bot before I even had my second buff.

I'm not pro or anything, nor do I play jungle well, but I did play ADC for two season and know that if you lose a 2v2 before your jungler is level 4, its entirely your fault.

Fortunately told bot lane to fuck off and ganked mid and top instead and won the game. Fiora OP.

Space BumDec 8, 20151 votes

First clear takes 3-4 minutes. It's a path from one side to the other. I have seen it to where at the end of my first clear all three of my lanes will have a death or more without the enemy jungle having any part in it and all too far away for me to deal with it and yes I look for opportunities to gank while completing the clear.

Jungle and support have similar issues. You can occasionally carry (more so as jungle) but even then it still requires your "damage heavy" allies to have some common since.

If an enemy laner gets disgustingly fed it is going to take more than the Jungler to fix the situation. One thing to remember is that feeding ally is at least worth less gold.