What changes would you make?

u got this gary·Apr 12, 2017·2 votes·16,670 views

So far I love it , but what changes would you make to it?

26 Comments

Warlord ScrapApr 14, 20171 votes

remove heimer for lore reason make it lulu, or maybe teemo but rumble despises heim

LuckerNoobApr 15, 20171 votes

That's not completely true. He considered Heimer a "sellout" for sharing Yordle technology with humans. It makes sense that he would want to earn the respect of the brightest Yordle scientist by inviting him to his own academy, though.

Lulu would make no sense at all, since she has no interest in science and technology, and is an outcast of the yordle society, like Veigar. In the same vein, Teemo would be rather unlikely, since Rumble considers him a rival for Tristanas affection. I could see Teemo showing up in an expansion, though.

Warlord ScrapApr 15, 20171 votes

Maybe your roght with heim but if you turn over your acceptance letter he invited teemo and kennen but they bot declined for there own reasons

LuckerNoobApr 16, 20171 votes

You misinterpreted that. The reasons cited were why Rumble didn't invite them. Kennen didn't write him a reply letter saying "I'm hard to find." You are right though that there's no in-lore statement saying why Rumble considers Teemo a rival.

Warlord ScrapApr 16, 20171 votes

I thought he invited them and they stated there reason why. And lore wise the rumble-teemo fight seems fan made. Lore states rumble dislikes heim and hints he has a crush on tris. Theres no lore that teemo and tris are a thing besides the fact there both in the military. Fans made the tris teemo ship

LuckerNoobApr 17, 20171 votes

Tristana and Rumble are best friends. In the original lore, they both were very specific about the other "...being a good friend the person they trust most to have their back". Fans shipped it because it seemed a strangely specific wording.

In truth, Teemo is too much of a psycho to be capable of a relationship.

Again, if you look at Rumble's notes, they say "~~Teemo~~ Off fighting the void. ~~Kennen~~ Ninjas are too hard to find." That's definitely not a statement made by Kennen.

Warlord ScrapApr 17, 20171 votes

Yea but old lore isnt canon anymore. theres a heart next to tris's name on the acceptance letter, rumble named his mech tristy they might be mutual friends but its definately hinted rumble has feeling maybe not recipricated but he has feelings. And the statements seem like teasers to me they easily could switch teemo and heim but they didnt. I fail to see why teemo was added but not heim considering teemos more popular and rumble and heim have beef.

LuckerNoobApr 18, 20171 votes

Sorry, that was a derp. I meant Trist and Teemo. As for Tristumble: You haven't finished the game (or listened to the audioplay) yet, have you?

Anyway: Both Teemo and Heimer are listed as Rumble's rivals. It's pretty obvious that Teemo is because he's close to Tristana. Teemo isn't a character with any in-game affinity for mechs. He's not a scientist, he's not technologically oriented. Heimer, on the other hand, is -very- clearly in to robotics. Heimer is a recognized and popular scientist, which is something Rumble wants, to be. What Rumble dislikes about Heimer is that he "sold out" by opening Yordle science to the outside world. I'm very sure their rivalry is because Rumble wants to gain the same amount of recognition as Heimer has. There's nothing in the lore to indicate they actually dislike each other, or have "beef".

Warlord ScrapApr 18, 20171 votes

Im shaded by the old lore with the rumble/heim rivalry because on the old lore rumble looked up to heim at first then grew to hate him and rumble only joined the league to beat heim and show yordles were better than humans. If i can find it ill link his story. I no its no longer canon but it shades my view.

LuckerNoobApr 19, 20171 votes

Well as you said yourself: "...old lore isnt canon anymore."

Sozan5Apr 22, 20171 votes

I wrote about this very subject before, so I am gonna quote myself (there might be some missing context):

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While I'm only on mission 2 of MvM so far, I actually think they got Rumble more or less right.

I believe you mistake what kind of emotions Rumble feels towards Heimer, because I am certain it is not pure hate. Rumble doesn't like his decision to help humans and thinks he's a "sellout". HOWEVER, when the human graduates showed up in Bandle City he couldn't resist the temptation of meeting up with them - which hints at him secrectly respecting Heimerdinger and his works, considering that Rumble seems to be completely racist towards humans.

Also, Heimer and Rumble never met before, as far as I know. The "meeting" you refer to was nothing but a League Judgement - it was all in Rumbles mind (which also shows that he's probably pretty afraid of being rejected by Heimer and wants to prove himself (and Bandle City) to him).

That said, it doesn't mean Rumble likes him too much. He's still a traitor to Bandle City in his eyes (and that's the only reason why he didn't join his academy).

I think it fits him. Rumble, while being an exellent tinkerer and mechanic (and mech-anic) doesn't really show any concern for safety. Here's some example, from that League Judgement:

He makes thing works and they work rather well, but you wouldn't call them safe in anyway. Using a bomb as a power source is well within the realm of possibilities for Rumble - as long as it produces a lot of energy (which it does).

The rest, I know nothing about, since as I said - haven't beaten it yet. The only thing out of character is that he was actually considering inviting Teemo (he's on the list of potential students). That one makes no sense. He clearly doesn't like him and that'd be counterproductive if he wanted to hit on Trist - considering that Teemo-Tristana is the closest thing we have to a confirmed relationship in League (well, except Ashe and Trynda, but they are a special case).

Sozan5Apr 22, 20171 votes

In truth, Teemo is too much of a psycho to be capable of a relationship.

I don't think that's true? According to his lore, the only thing that's off about him is that he gets very serious during missions and that his kills don't burden him. However, if you take note of the fact that both him and Tristana share the first trait:

While intense and focused as a Megling Gunner, Tristana is remarkably different in her personal life.

[...] Teemo was normally charming and kind, he turned deadly serious and highly efficient the minute combat exercises began.

And the fact that Teemo has:

[...] genuinely warm personality

It doesn't seem unlikely that those two would turn out together.

Also, despite what players try to make him out to be, Teemo isn't a killing machine, that will murder anything in sight:

something switches off inside Teemo's mind during combat so that the lives he must end while on patrol do not burden him.

he also insists on frequent solo missions in the ongoing defense of Bandle City.

Teemo is defending his homeland from invaders whilst only taking the lives he must take. Sure, he doesn't have any empathy for them at all, but that doesn't make him a psycho incapable of having a relationship (or makes him any less of Bandle City hero).

It's so easy to get the popular memes confused with actual personality and lore of a champion. Though, I am sure that Riot will make him into fully-fledged psychopathic murderer in the new lore, so whatever. xD

Sozan5Apr 22, 20171 votes

Uh, Teemo and Tristana was HEAVILY hinted at.

Starting with their lore quotes:

"If there's one person I'd trust to take on a difficult mission, it's Tristana!" - Teemo "Teemo Teemo rides a thin line between chipper compatriot and unrepentant killer, but there's no one else I'd rather have as a friend." - Tristana

Then in their lores:

Tristana recently struck up a close friendship with Teemo Teemo, the Swift Scout. They are both members of Bandle City's Special Forces, so not only do they bond as yordles, but also as fellow warriors and champions... though she outright ignores any questions pertaining to a blossoming romance.

[...] Teemo recently struck up a friendship with Tristana, a fellow League champion and fellow member of Bandle City's Special Forces. This connection is healthy for both yordles, though now Valoran's voracious media outlets circulate rumors that the friendship is turning into a romantic relationship. While the truth of these rumors are tenuous at best, neither have the two outright denied them.

They also showed up in JoJ together on multiple occassions, even when the event wasn't associated with their duties at all (I believe they attended some bake sale together etc.). I actually went ahead and found two within just few journals:

League Champions Teemo and Tristana, who attended the bake sale in support of the Tenderfeets, voiced some concern over the burglary. "There's something else going on," commented Teemo.

Estimated losses were low, but Mayor Dennison Jadefellow organized an outdoor charity banquet to raise funds for Horseshoe Heist victims. The banquet was a smash success, as hundreds of Bandle City residents, including League champions Teemo and Tristana, came out to support local horse owners and discuss the peculiar occasion.

So, no. It wasn't just fan made, Riot really gave us a lot of hints. Even in the new lore, she thinks of Teemo when looking at her weapon (though, that's not unusual, probably most of people think about Teemo when looking at their weapons).

That said - old lore ain't canon anymore, but I wouldn't be surprised if Teemo and Tristana will be hinted at yet again.

Warlord ScrapApr 22, 20171 votes

Actually ima counter the teemo/tris relationship real quick. They both serve the bandle city military. They trust serving with each other. Most of the hints that there together arent nothing more than imature lets make something that isnt there.

Sozan5Apr 22, 20171 votes

Uh, I'm quite sure that hanging out together everytime any of them is mentioned in the lore, even outside of their duties as soldiers are hints.

And for gods' sake, this line alone is enough to be considered a heavy hint:

This connection is healthy for both yordles, though now Valoran's voracious media outlets circulate rumors that the friendship is turning into a romantic relationship. While the truth of these rumors are tenuous at best, neither have the two outright denied them.

They don't even deny being in relationship when asked about it.

Warlord ScrapApr 22, 20171 votes

Having been in the miltary i highly disagree i know plenty of opposite sex soldier who were just friends. And hung out outside of duty hours.

Sozan5Apr 22, 20171 votes

Why did you just straight up ignore that last quote? xD

Warlord ScrapApr 22, 20171 votes

Because its grasping at straws. They havent denied it is all it says.

Sozan5Apr 22, 20171 votes

Yeah. They haven't denied when asked about it clearly hints that there COULD be something between them.

It's like you want a direct confirmation: "THEY ARE A THING" - when I'm saying it's hinted at heavily and it's not just a fanmade fabrication out of thin air. There are bases as to why Teemo-Tristana is very popular and it is the most hinted at relationship in the entire game (Xayah and Rakan aren't hinted at - it's just confirmed, while Kata-Garen come close to Teemo-Trist).

Warlord ScrapApr 22, 20171 votes

But the ship stems from a rumor with no basis.

LuckerNoobApr 23, 20171 votes

First: Both JoJ and champion judgements aren't canon anymore. They should not be considered reliable sources unless verified by current lore, ie.: Universe.

Second: Someone switching from friendly, open and "chipper" to a relentless, remorseless assassin is not normal behaviour. It's pretty much the exact opposite. No sane person goes out, kills dozens of people, and then comes back home with a smile on their face and ready to set up a picknick. That behaviour is usually a sign of a personality disorder.

Last, and most important: Finish playing MvM, and then we'll talk more about Tristeemo und Tristumble. Before you've done that, you aren't up to date on lore.

As an offtopic:

considering that Teemo-Tristana is the closest thing we have to a confirmed relationship in League (well, except Ashe and Trynda, but they are a special case).

Gangplank and Illaoi are exes, and still seem to have feelings for another. And Ekko/Taliyah is pretty much a given, considering her "taunt" towards him. Those are the two I instantly remembered.

Sozan5Apr 23, 20171 votes

First: Both JoJ and champion judgements aren't canon anymore. They should not be considered reliable sources unless verified by current lore, ie.: Universe.

Indeed. It's not canon, but it's the only thing we have until new lore rolls out. And the whole topic was about why Teemo and Trist are often shipped together by players, not about it being how it currently is (and we don't even know if MvM is canon anyways).

Second: Someone switching from friendly, open and "chipper" to a relentless, remorseless assassin is not normal behaviour. It's pretty much the exact opposite. No sane person goes out, kills dozens of people, and then comes back home with a smile on their face and ready to set up a picknick. That behaviour is usually a sign of a personality disorder.

Oh, he is not normal, for sure, but he ain't completely and absolute psycho a lot of people make him out to be (people with personality disorders like this can lead a relatively normal lives).

Gangplank and Illaoi are exes, and still seem to have feelings for another.

Well, they are exes, that's not exactly in a relationship anymore.

And Ekko/Taliyah is pretty much a given, considering her "taunt" towards him.

It just means she has a crush on him. I mean, that's exactly what the quote points out toward. It's a small hint that they could possibly be a thing, but not nearly as much as the old lore hinting towards Teemo and Tristana (again, it being outdated is irrelevant, because the whole argument was about the ship not being completely fabricated out of thin air by fans, rather than saying it's canon).

LuckerNoobApr 24, 20171 votes

"Did the earth just move for you, too?" is almost universally used to describe a powerful sexual encounter. While it could be a joke, the fact that she seems ashamed of saying it out loud makes a very clear case for them definitely having been involved. So they're a much clearer case of being a couple than Tristeemo ever was.

Both characters were always adamant about being best friends, nothing else. It was the players that shipped it, based on the "strangely specific denial". I was part of the people shipping them, too. (#teemomain) But, given their behaviour and mindset, there's no reason for them to secretive be about haing a relationship. It doesn't fit the characters at all.

Nonetheless, rito sunk that ship, as there is no reason to question MvMs canonicity.

Spartan11710Apr 22, 20171 votes

cheolkeongMay 16, 20171 votes

Unlocking more schematics slots. I know that nothing is stopping me from house-ruling more slots but I wish it was built in to the game. I know having access to too many of them would be op but there are a lot of schematics I don't think I can ever really justify choosing over their better counterparts. I could understand capping how many boost schematics you get to pick especially, but many of the hack schematics don't seem game changing enough to grab when the limit is 2 total schematics.

I think that's part of why I like Heimerdinger a lot. He has plenty of good boost options, his slot schematic is extremely versatile, and his few scrap schematics are ridiculously strong.

Tristana has some cool options, but her explosive charge is such a good schematic to get early game as it helps you protect objectives, damage enemies, and rack up team gears. I don't know if there was a single mission I didn't take it on so that left only one other schematic option. Kaboom would be a really cool addition to explosive charge's early clear/farming power but she would be left with nothing to farm for. She's got good schematics for farming and then she's got good hack schematics that require farming but she can't really have enough of either so it's just farm and boost.

Corki's Ace Pilot and Mad props are way too good to not get once you can unlock them. Like way too good. As cool as special delivery is it can't really compete with upgraded commands.

Ziggs has more niche and situational options and I feel like he probably has the best schematic diversity per mission once you unlock everything.

I think access to more schematics slots could have been balanced by having damage cards that take away team gears. You can often find yourself in situations where from gear 8 to gear 15 you don't have much to gain along the way because you chose early-mid schematics, and once you've gotten mostly slotted the damage is pretty irrelevant. If everyone takes damage in the same turn, it's likely they can undo it in the next draft.