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@Riot - Vladimir

ShinRaigeki··5 votes·1,130 views

I do not know if Riot Ezreal still works with you all, since I am a newer player, so I wanted to just ask this to anyone who is willing to look:

Is there any plans to rehaul or change VladimirVladimir in the near future? (Extended version below). I ask because I really like this champ, but I can't help but feel he's lacking.

I myself wouldn't mind a Visual Update (or a complete update of his Visuals AND his techniques), since it feels like he has a case wherein he cannot be tuned well without bordering too heavily over OP or UP, and honestly (and right now in S4, he's basically UP), Blood Lord Vlad could use some REAL new particles...

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HalcyonicHS2 votes

A Visual Update on Vladimir would be a godsend. I mean, just look at his godawful model, and especially that pointy hair. That thing was comedic at best and they should've removed it when they gave him a new splash.

Also, I doubt that Riot is going to touch Vladimir anytime soon. He currently has a bit of a feast-or-famine issue so he's not easily touchable, while I doubt Riot has any plans to touch him as long as he has a considerable fanbase after the (justified) reactions against the Skarner and Xerath reworks.

ShinRaigeki1 votes

The fact he's feast or famine is the sort of reason Riot would get to him, although as stated, "soon" is unlikely. If this topic gets good recognition (lots of upvotes) it might help.

When they do a VU they'd most likely pair it with a kit upgrade too. His kit's good but it needs all manner of tweaking, and I'm fairly (not entirely) certain that E is glitched.

HalcyonicHS1 votes

E was glitched; it was fixed with 4.3, however (The healing increase from the stacks were not taking effect). But really, forget that, there's stilll the long-standing issue with his R and the post-action delay, which is bullshit and makes him feel absolutely clunky in teamfights.

I still think that Riot doesn't want to touch him, because despite his issues, he doesn't have any significantly problematic performance. It's sort of like Poppy, where he will just get pushed back and back further because of priorities.

But really, what kind of "tweaking" do you speak of? I'm pretty sure the feast-or-famine issue makes it rather messy to work with him without some sort of rework level of changes.

ShinRaigeki1 votes

I thought about this. His main problem is he's too squishy really in the early game, late game he can be absurdly tanky.

I would set his cost to 10/12.5/15/17.5/20% on his W, in exchange for a sizeable change in the cooldowns for it. This would allow at least some better survivability in the W. Maybe even increase the damage values a bit? If the cooldowns are changed, you can effectively make him pool multiple times, while this would be annoying, nothing's more annoying for a vlad than making him chunk his own Hp down via E and W spam.

His Q... to be fair, the main issue is right now the Q's too long on CD, and it severely hurts his early game. I would just drop him to an 8/7/6/5/4 setup on the CD, it would have the same endgame power and flatten around the Q4 level.

If E's fixed that's fine.

Now R... I personally dunno what to do here. Vlad's R is disputably the most 'useful' yet 'useless' of his techniques. I'd probably give it a status, like -10/20/30% Movement speed.

HalcyonicHS1 votes

Holy shit are we seriously playing the same champion here?

Vladimir's main issue right now is that he's too safe compared to his dominance mid-game to falling off in the late-game, due to his awkward mixture of decent tankiness, decent damage, and no utility. Safety in the early game is one of the last things Vladimir needs right now; currently he can win most of the popular top lane matchups.

That being said, I wouldn't touch his W cooldown. Since most Vladimirs would leave it at level 1, out of necessity more than anything else, being increased in the early levels would even further Vladimir's feast-or-famine playstyle, since it screws him over insanely once behind. (And maxing E last would only make him even more useless in teamfights, so it is not an option.)

Anyway, I think giving an AoE slow onto his R offers too much power, and it will have to take some from somewhere else... meaning even less damage and that's problematic in itself, because that would make Vladimir just a worse subset of other champions. I would instead grant something similar to Darius's passive, so +5% MS for each champion hit for the same duration as the debuff, this would help solve his mobility issues in teamfights- which would be great as Vladimir's range is a huge limiting factor in Vladimir's late-game. And remove that bullshit post-action delay, of course.

EDIT: Realizing I haven't contributed much of my own, here are my ideas:

*Gut Q's healing and instead give spellvamp onto E stacks (-5/level and -0.15% AP to Q, +4% spellvamp/stack on E). One of the major factor's to Vladimir's feast-or-famine playstyle is because how safely he can freeze lane and then poke with his Q when he goes ahead... and can't when behind. Q is especially troublesome because it is an instant, targeted ability with no opportunity cost. Compare this to E for example, which has the drawbacks of pushing the lane. I chose to nerf healing than damage, because it'd be hard to balance the damage without making it useless, and the healing allows Vladimir to be brought down by repeated engages or through heavy poke.

*MS boost for each champion hit with R (e.g. +5% for each champion hit), for reasons listed above. This helps solve Vladimir's range issues late-game. That and remove the post-action delay.

*Reduce E's base damage slightly (e.g. +10 at level 1 and -5/level for -30 at level 5/full stacks), to increase its scaling (e.g. +0.1% AP), and increase the AP->Health scaling on Crimson Pact (e.g. +0.4% AP). This will help flatten Vladimir's power curve into the late-game, which is desperately needed because Vladimir is huge mid-game... but is sorely dependent on his team to turn it into anything useful. A mid-game power spike with no range or utility is just absolutely horrible as a concept.

ShinRaigeki1 votes

Pretty certain we are.

Everytime I use Vlad and end up winning the laning phase I turn into a bursty as hell tank able to chunk down 30-40% of an ADC's HP in a single Q. But that's only when I get fed.

A late game vlad's got so much HP and tank it's nearly impossible to take him down, and in the end he's effectively a lesser form of Warwick (no catch, bursty, but no catch is the big issue).

Shinjusuke2 votes

Vlad has historically frequently been on Riot's list of "champions who need a rework but we don't care enough about them to do it yet".

Every time there's some kind of "rework list" brought up, Vlad squeezes in there somewhere, but nobody is assigned to it, nobody talks about it, and nobody at Riot seems be passionate enough about the character to start on it.

So, unfortunately, icecream-head is stuck until Riot starts hiring snot-nosed emo kids who only wanna play the Vampire champion :(

To be honest I think he'd need a lore rework as well if he were gonna get touched. I don't know how much people cling to the whole "sadist mentor-killer" thing with him, but if they gave him a classic skin and switched his aesthetic from "Vampire" (Yes I know he's not technically, just overwhelmed with vampire traits) to "Blood Mage", I think he'd have a much more solidified place in the League. It'd also let his kit get considerable more diversity.

What about you guys? What needs to stay for Vlad? What should change?

If it were me, I'd change..

1) His stupid, STUPID ice-cream-hair.

2) His lore so he fit into the universe in any kind of real way.

3) Shift some of his built-in sustain to be focused around offensive and risk-reward scenarios rather than "hit Q, get health".

4) His ultimate to have a MUCH more obvious effect than the shrinking xbox red ring.

Thoughts?

Crimson Milk1 votes

Riot please make players like tyrant not able to play people like vlad or any champ in generall he is just god awfull and he is very very toxic

Doug Ford1 votes

I agree, the Crimson Reaper needs a bit of touching up. There are a few champions that need more attention though, take Sion for example. He looks like garbage, has awful lines and quotes and has a kit that is rigid in use and doesn't flow with itself.

So Vladimir rework in the near future? Doubtful, but I think it's going to come sooner than later.

GummyTurtlePvP1 votes

serriously i know other champions probably need it more...but riot wtf were u thinking with that voice and hair? Theres also a huge delay in his auto attacks.

Source: MAIN VLADIMIR

SouledOne1 votes

Hey, I think that if they just removed the cast time on Vladimir's Tides of Blood, he'd feel much stronger. I'm totally down with VU vlad. I even thin Blood Lord could use a texture update. It looks kinda cheesy in low graphics.

I agree with both you Shin and you Halcyonic on a few points. The ultimate definitely needs some sort of MS buff or slow debuff. Let's be real, vlad's burst isn't impressive enough for his god-awful lack of CC. He'd definitely be op if he had a stun, suppression, silence..pretty much anything beyond a slow. His W is just too risky, and clunky feeling, to be appropriate for chasing down. It's so easy to run away from Vlad early. He needs flash or ghost to secure kills. Vlad is also pretty bad at kiting. Maybe they should do something special to his E, where he gets some sort of temporary reward for hitting 5+ targets.

The post-action delay on his ult is just horrendous. I think Vlad just needs to be smoothed over to fit the current quality of gameplay.

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