Shyvana Ult (Dragon's Descent) Change Idea

Raiku Kawisa·Oct 5, 2013·8 votes·485 views

I love playing as Shyvana, but I feel as if she could be better. One of the ways that I think would really improve Shyvana's play is to be able to toggle her ultimate.

For those of you who don't know, when Shyvana uses her ult, she leaps in the target direction turning into a dragon, as well as knocking back and dealing magic damage to all enemies within the move's range. Since Shyvana doesn't have mana, her ult is limited by filling her secondary resource bar (Fury). Once it is full, she is ready to breath fire down someone's neck.

I want to add a toggle because I can't count the number of times where I would initiate a team fight and when it would be over, I would still have half of my Fury left that would slowly trickle down as it was wasted. Or the times when I wish I could return to human to chase down a fleeing champion since her dragon form is a little bit slower than her human.

This toggle would allow her to end her ult early allowing her to conserve Fury and restore her movement speed.

As a counter to this change, I would recommend a 30 to 60 second cooldown timer be added to Dragon's Decent in order to prevent people from spamming the initial leap and damage by cancelling early and just waiting a second or two to reuse.

Suggestion by Tiure

Enable to revert back to Human form if you have 50 or less Fury, and have been out of combat for 5 seconds.

I like this suggestion because it enables you to conserve Fury if the fight is much shorter than anticipated. However, by limiting the ability to when there is 50 or less Fury, it prevents Dragon's Descent from being overused.

11 Comments

The Ginger NingaOct 6, 20132 votes

Sounds like a good idea, but will shyvana still need 100 fury to transform? Or maybe something cheeper like 50? if you can figure that out it sounds like a good idea

TaintedTaintOct 6, 20132 votes

I like this idea, plus make the activation cost fury as well, as opposed to creating a timer.

Raiku KawisaOct 6, 20131 votes

That would work well because it wouldn't be as spammable if you lost fury during activation.

Raiku KawisaOct 6, 20131 votes

I would still say a full 100 Fury. Her ultimate improves her abilities so much that only needing half as much fury might be a little overkill. Especially if you will be able to toggle the form. Not to mention it would decrease the time spent in Dragon Form.

TiureOct 6, 20132 votes

What if we made it so that you couldn't disable the Fury timer until you had 50 or less Fury?

The issue I can see is that Shyvana's whole kit revolves around her being close up and personal with enemies, giving her an enormous power spike. The only counterplay is kiting, and the lack of Shyv's CC (beyond Exhaust and a push) means that she is high risk high reward if she is able to auto attack you all the time. The only skill that doesn't accurately reflect this design is Dragon Form Burnout because that hits the bitches behind you.

In other words, if you're in a fight, you want to be Dragon Form for as long as possible. The more you attack, the more time you have in Dragon Form and the less time you have in Human Form. Dragon Form is just awesome.

I'm not sure about a mechanic that reflects your desire to not be Dragon for as long. I think there should be another restriction where you can't accidentally revert too early, or abuse the revert mechanic (even though her passive makes it that you should have your ult in every fight anyway).

The tooltip could read: "You can reactivate this ability to revert to human form as long as you have less than 50 Fury remaining and have been Out of Combat for 5 seconds."

Raiku KawisaOct 6, 20131 votes

I agree with how you adjusted my concept. I never meant to come out of Dragon Form in the middle of the fight, but more of get out of Dragon Form if you are not in the fight.

dkhrizzOct 9, 20132 votes

should be that it requires 100 to transform if canceled before getting into 50 or less get it down to 50 flat, other way retain what ever is left. ( 0 to 49 being retained, but 50 to 100 get it to 50 flat if cancelled), that way it would also prevent overusage, still only part of the new way in order to make it better and it seems overpowered xD

Raiku KawisaOct 9, 20131 votes

From what I understood from your post. If Shyvana cancels her ult before she has 50 Fury or less, then she is reduced to 50 Fury any way?

I don't like this because if someone is a button spammer, they might hit R twice and then lose their ult.

Raiku KawisaOct 9, 20131 votes

Another idea I thought of is changing her E (Flame Breath) to slow instead of dealing additional magic damage on each auto-hit. This would give Shyvana some much needed CC and really make her more viable.

EyrgosOct 21, 20131 votes

Meh. Too much like Elise but with a different resource requirement.

Raiku KawisaOct 31, 20131 votes

They are comparable, but when Elise toggles her forms, it changes her entire gameplay. Shyvana's alt form just increases her already existing abilities.