I fixed Essence Reaver

Metalian·Jul 10, 2014·4 votes·845 views

New Recipe:

Pickaxe + Vampiric Scepter + Forbidden Idol + 425 g = 2800 gp

60 AD
10% Lifesteal
10% Cooldown Reduction
10 mp/5
Same passive as current

Fixes the problem of giving the builder no mana regen during the build phase.

19 Comments

TiropatJul 10, 20144 votes

they are making it a top tier item like item 3031 item 3072 and item 3139 having 80 ad

Linna ExcelJul 10, 20141 votes

The problem with that is it takes too long to build if you have to wait for a BF sword. It's meant to correct mana issues but most champs have fewer issues later in the game.

TiropatJul 10, 20141 votes

I know thats the problem but that is not the direction riot is going with it right now.

Hyrum GraffJul 11, 20141 votes

It will become more of a nice item - good on champs who continue to have mana issues into lategame, not as good on others.

Still, it gives the same AD as bloodthirster, not that much less lifesteal, and cdr and mana regen on top of that. So if you like to spam, it'll be a nice item.

Sneak DogJul 10, 20141 votes

Couldn't that make it op, because it'd be like a BT but trading in the shield+5% lifesteal for infinite mana and 10% cdr? It's a really fine line, but 10% cdr can be pretty significant and the infinite mana has to have a cost attached. Toss in boots of ludicity, masteries and a brutalizer and you have an adc with max cdr, something which currently is really hard due to the last 10%. (Lucian ult with 60/45/30 cooldown, waveclear supreme?)

To be fair, a 40% cdr adc other than Urgot/Lucian isn't that scary, perhaps just nerf the lucian ult cooldown?

TiropatJul 11, 20141 votes

I have no idea how broken it might be but with how well it was received so far it probably need to be broken before people pick it up.

Also how are you not seeing infinite mana KogMaw or Corki as a problem?

Hyrum GraffJul 11, 20141 votes

Honestly Corki 's mana issues post-6 (and you won't be getting reaver pre-6) aren't that bad, since his ult is really cheap.

It's infinite Q Ezreal that bothers me :O

TiropatJul 11, 20141 votes

yes Ezreal biggest problem with item 3508 is that it dosn't currently have enough damage to really fit in a late game build. with this +30 ad buff it will.

Hyrum GraffJul 11, 20142 votes

Yeah, I'm def. going to be getting it on my CDR ashe.

item 3508 item 3078 item 3031 item 3035 item 3172 item 3042 + 20% cdr runes, OP.

I like to build her as a bursty in: ult -> triforce proc + guaranteed crit + muramana charge does so much damage, followed up by volley and another triforce proc.

On the other hand, I think this change will make essence reaver more of a niche item - it's now less gold efficient, and by the time you can afford it, most champs don't have mana issues anymore.

TiropatJul 11, 20141 votes

It isn't much less gold efficient and that was never its problem. The problem is it costs too much to rush and is too weak late game. The 2 ways to fix it were to have a item 3144 style mini item or make it useable late game. On the mana issues I have watch challenger streamers have to back off of an inhib because Draven was oom.

Linna ExcelJul 10, 20141 votes

Neat.

I fixed it the exact same way 19 days ago.

SirTezlaJul 10, 20141 votes

I like this recipe, actually. It would make Jayce more viable in the top lane or as an AD carry.

Sire HippingtonJul 10, 20141 votes

prettymuch everyone on PBE fixed Reaver that way befor release...but somehow no it sill went out with a bad builtpath

SiachiJul 10, 20141 votes

Yeah, maybe not Forbidden Idol exactly, but I could agree that giving it a component that grants extra mana in some way would be ideal.

Serpents EmbraceJul 10, 20141 votes

Honestly, I prefer the higher AD tier that they're testing.

Mostly because the mana refund seems most attractive during lane, but rushing this in lane as an ADC really puts you behind. I'd love to use it on Miss Fortune and Ezreal but it forces me to chose between damage and longer laning between breaks and unfortunately damage will win every time.

Giving it mana regeneration wouldn't be terrible, and it would be nice if the CDR appeared earlier in the recipe but I don't think it would really "fix" its problems, as keeping it at 60AD is what I believe is the root cause of that.

Angry MonsterJul 11, 20141 votes

not really

Fear NotJul 12, 20141 votes

So far, the ways that've been recommended include, afaik:

Put the mana restore passive on a new mid-tier item so that it's available when it's needed most, then bump Reaver into a top-tier state.
Add an existing mana item (I've seen Idol, Chalice, and even Tear suggested) into its recipe, but keep its final stats more/less the same.
Change the Pickaxe to a Brutalizer so it can provide better lategame stats without being, basically, a slightly-different Bloodthirster.

Personally, I think it should mix with Sheen. Why Sheen?

Mana. Sapphire Crystal is not a game, and it'll make mana a bit more friendly with each B until the item is finished.
Spellblade passive allows it to compete for a spot in a build without being "basically Bloodthirster".
Diminishing returns when stacked with Trinity Force (Spellblade should apply the TF damage and Reaver mana gain, similar to how Iceborn + Lich Bane works); it's already strong with triforce builds and not really in need of any love, there.

But that's just my 2 cents.

ILoveTiramisuJul 14, 20141 votes

Champion who need to build Essence Reaver are champion who stack well with Sheen, so I think:

Sheen+Vampiric scepter=Essence Reaver, SpellBlade also make refound mana equal 50% Attack Damage Base.

StaconaJul 16, 20141 votes

Here is my suggestion:

Turn Essence Reaver into an early game purchase by something like: Long Sword + 340g = 700g The Stats will be: 10 Attack Damage and UNIQUE Passive of 2-8% of your damage dealt by basic attacks will grant you mana This will solve early game mana problems for mana reliant AD champion, specifically for marksman, where this item is suppose to help.

The end game upgrade will be what the Essence Reaver gives now just with a slightly different name and item icon with the build and stats being: Essence Reaver(700g) + Vamperic Scepter(800g) + B.F. Sword(1550g) + 450g = 3500g Stats: 80 Attack Damage, 10% Life Steal, 20% Cooldown Reduction, UNIQUE Passive of 2-8% of your damage dealt by basic attacks will grant you mana 20% Cooldown Reduction is so this item is more like Grail just for Marksmen instead of Mages, it just makes sense that a high mana sustain item should grant high CDR as well

~ Stacona