Would you rather have me who points out your mistakes (Mistakes which costed the team an objective or Lowered The Team Chances of Winning the Game), Or the sub 50% wr team mate who doesn't respond to pings? https://i.imgur.com/UsR7hvY.png[]
Edit: Anyway i'm going to sleep
Nice to see that the boards is still filled with for fun gamers :) hehe xdd
IAmTheLego22 votes"Would you rather have me who points out your mistakes"
Depends. If it's a "Yo bro, you should warded earlier and kept an eye on the map carefully!" Then yes.
If it's a "You r%%%%%ed noob! Ward the damn map and keep an eye on the effin map! No wonder you're bronze." Then hell to the no.
Soc1al Anxiety1 votes"Would you rather have me who points out your mistakes"
Depends. If it's a "Yo bro, you should warded earlier and kept an eye on the map carefully!" Then yes.
If it's a "You r%%%%%ed noob! Ward the damn map and keep an eye on the effin map! No wonder you're bronze." Then hell to the no.
Me Spam pings danger Me: Watch out zac is top 10 seconds later A ally has been slain Me: Dude what the fuck are you doing i told you he was top
scenario #2
Me : Save your stun for after i land my q Me spam pings on the way Them: Recalls Me: Are you fucking kidding me why are you trolling that was a free kill
scenario #3
Me : Save your stun for after i land my q Me spam pings on the way Them * Last hits minion wave * Me: stuns enemy laner Them * Last hits minion wave * Me: waiting for ally to help Them * Last hits minion wave * Me: Ults to run to safety Them * Last hits minion wave * Me dies
Me: what are you doing....
AeroWaffle10 votesYou can constructively criticize someone without insulting someone. It also implies that there is something constructive to the criticism.
[{quoted}](name=Soc1al Anxiety,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=9bGuVkEV,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-04-03T10:03:46.735+0000)
Me Spam pings danger Me: Watch out zac is top 10 seconds later A ally has been slain Me: Dude what the fuck are you doing i told you he was top
What's constructive about this? If it was 10 seconds ago they can see the chat and they'll know that they've died to a Zac. You're not bringing anything to the table that is helpful.
scenario #2
Me : Save your stun for after i land my q Me spam pings on the way Them: Recalls Me: Are you fucking kidding me why are you trolling that was a free kill
Not constructive and just insulting.
scenario #3
Me : Save your stun for after i land my q Me spam pings on the way Them * Last hits minion wave * Me: stuns enemy laner Them * Last hits minion wave * Me: waiting for ally to help Them * Last hits minion wave * Me: Ults to run to safety Them * Last hits minion wave * Me dies
Me: what are you doing....
Also not constructive. The only way they can understand your hypothetical question you made is if they already know the mistake they made.
Ulquiorra01232 votesYou can constructively criticize someone without insulting someone. It also implies that there is something constructive to the criticism.
What's constructive about this? If it was 10 seconds ago they can see the chat and they'll know that they've died to a Zac. You're not bringing anything to the table that is helpful.
Not constructive and just insulting.
Also not constructive. The only way they can understand your hypothetical question you made is if they already know the mistake they made.
You keep talking about constructive, since when did people become so weak that they couldn't handle tough love when it comes to super obvious mistakes lol.
AeroWaffle6 votesYou keep talking about constructive, since when did people become so weak that they couldn't handle tough love when it comes to super obvious mistakes lol.
Whether or not a person is "weak" for not appreciating such nonconstructive criticism was not the point I was addressing.
I'm saying that the OP's idea of constructive criticism is flawed and the examples they gave are not examples of constructive criticism.
sanjiluv3 votes[deleted]
Busty Demoness1 votesHey look everyone. NPC's come in right wing flavor too.
You're not wrong, but the comment was unnecessary.
IAmTheLego1 votes[{quoted}](name=Soc1al Anxiety,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=9bGuVkEV,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-04-03T10:03:46.735+0000)
Me Spam pings danger Me: Watch out zac is top 10 seconds later A ally has been slain Me: Dude what the fuck are you doing i told you he was top
scenario #2
Me : Save your stun for after i land my q Me spam pings on the way Them: Recalls Me: Are you fucking kidding me why are you trolling that was a free kill
scenario #3
Me : Save your stun for after i land my q Me spam pings on the way Them * Last hits minion wave * Me: stuns enemy laner Them * Last hits minion wave * Me: waiting for ally to help Them * Last hits minion wave * Me: Ults to run to safety Them * Last hits minion wave * Me dies
Me: what are you doing....
I'm honestly interested to see your chat log since you got banned for flaming.
This might not be punishable but I think it's still flaming anyway. Except for maybe the 3rd scenario.
TwitchInMyPants7 votes[{quoted}](name=Soc1al Anxiety,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=9bGuVkEV,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2019-04-03T10:03:46.735+0000)
Me Spam pings danger Me: Watch out zac is top 10 seconds later A ally has been slain Me: Dude what the fuck are you doing i told you he was top
scenario #2
Me : Save your stun for after i land my q Me spam pings on the way Them: Recalls Me: Are you fucking kidding me why are you trolling that was a free kill
scenario #3
Me : Save your stun for after i land my q Me spam pings on the way Them * Last hits minion wave * Me: stuns enemy laner Them * Last hits minion wave * Me: waiting for ally to help Them * Last hits minion wave * Me: Ults to run to safety Them * Last hits minion wave * Me dies
Me: what are you doing....
You're going from outright calling people trolls and saying their behavior is stupid to being passive aggressive
If you do this every game no wonder you're banned. No amount of discord upvotes from your biased friends is going to change the game's rules and policies.
People don't like playing with assholes. People who are polite, silent, or outright rude like you are all capable of feeding. Everyone has good and bad games and making poor plays is a more forgivable mistake than being an ass in chat. One can be corrected with new gameplay behavior, the other might be corrected if the person changes but you're unlikely to view yourself as a problem without punishment and reflection - aka the system is working as intended.
If you want to vent your frustrations without getting banned, take a tip from every streamer who's had bans from toxicity (T1, Jensen, IWD, ect). Vocalize your frustrations to your friends or to yourself out loud. It doesn't matter how much you call your team braindead or trolls if its not in chat where it won't affect them. When you do that though you're showing total disregard for the human element and creating a disruption that will not help gameplay.
SanKakU1 votesYou're going from outright calling people trolls and saying their behavior is stupid to being passive aggressive
If you do this every game no wonder you're banned. No amount of discord upvotes from your biased friends is going to change the game's rules and policies.
People don't like playing with assholes. People who are polite, silent, or outright rude like you are all capable of feeding. Everyone has good and bad games and making poor plays is a more forgivable mistake than being an ass in chat. One can be corrected with new gameplay behavior, the other might be corrected if the person changes but you're unlikely to view yourself as a problem without punishment and reflection - aka the system is working as intended.
If you want to vent your frustrations without getting banned, take a tip from every streamer who's had bans from toxicity (T1, Jensen, IWD, ect). Vocalize your frustrations to your friends. It doesn't matter how much you call your team braindead or trolls if its not in chat where it won't affect them. When you do that though you're showing total disregard for the human element and creating a disruption that will not help gameplay.
I spam ping every once in a while but it's only out of anger(honestly I really should quit doing it though and I don't remember when I do it, I'll have to review some footage of me playing), and never out of habit. This guy looks like he either 1) gets angry way too often or 2) spam pings out of habit. If someone is obviously spam pinging out of habit I will mute them 100 percent of the time. Really silly for him to expect people to respond to his pings if he's begging for people to mute his pings.
TwitchInMyPants2 votesI spam ping every once in a while but it's only out of anger(honestly I really should quit doing it though and I don't remember when I do it, I'll have to review some footage of me playing), and never out of habit. This guy looks like he either 1) gets angry way too often or 2) spam pings out of habit. If someone is obviously spam pinging out of habit I will mute them 100 percent of the time. Really silly for him to expect people to respond to his pings if he's begging for people to mute his pings.
Mainly talking about his chat logs. I don't know how bannable ping spam is but people have gotten chat restricted for emote spamming years ago so I wouldn't be surprised if Riot still factors it in.
I know he doesn't outright curse or anything but being a passive aggressive dick everygame with a handful of slipups where you're just blatantly namecalling people (Recalling to shop or w/e reason is not "trolling") will get caught by the system. The rules ban hatespeech but I type profanity a lot in general, as long as you don't use certain derogatory words you can cuss all day without being banned. But his chat behavior is clearly problematic.
Salron20 votesposted 9 minutes ago 18 upvotes at 5:50 AM
seems legit
IAmTheLego1 votesposted 9 minutes ago 19 upvotes at 5:50 AM
seems legit
I know right...
And it's 1pm here...
oOBestEveNAOo12 votesMe, personally?
I'll take the flamer over the trolls any day. Flaming you can mute and just play on. Trolls don't get punished for inting, griefing, or afking the overwhelming majority of the time and no button can solve the problems they create in game.
All the same, you could try not being a dick in game. Even when the trolls deserve it.
Also, holy smurf upvoting Batman! Wowza.
Ulquiorra01231 votesMe, personally?
I'll take the flamer over the trolls any day. Flaming you can mute and just play on. Trolls don't get punished for inting, griefing, or afking the overwhelming majority of the time and no button can solve the problems they create in game.
All the same, you could try not being a dick in game. Even when the trolls deserve it.
Also, holy smurf upvoting Batman! Wowza.
This is actually where I am at as well. I'll take the flamer and mute them, because flamers care the most about winning the game, and that's really all I care about as well. Common goal. Also is it just me, or do flamers just tend to be better players overall lol
Zardo6 votesThis is actually where I am at as well. I'll take the flamer and mute them, because flamers care the most about winning the game, and that's really all I care about as well. Common goal. Also is it just me, or do flamers just tend to be better players overall lol
I super disagree with the whole common goal thing.
Here's what I've noticed about flamers- they flame when THEY aren't the star of the show. They dont play to win, they play to show off their epic skills, and if they happen to win, that's a plus. This is why people will flame their junglers even if he's snowballing another lane. This is why they won't play safe and farm up to be carried when behind. This is why they soft int after falling behind and flaming. I've also had so many flamers just either afk or intentionally feed because of this- since they didn't get to be the star of the show, nobody on the team gets to.
This is why when the tribunal toxicity reports came out years ago the highest toxicity champions where those who were meant to be the star of the show. These people aren't sharing your goal of winning, they have a different goal, one which involves them getting pentakills.
Land Dreugh1 votesWhen I gank the enemy top into the ground and my top proceeds to waste that lead by dying solo many times in a row, even going 1v1 when I ping I'm on my way to gank... Well I won't say I cussed him out, but I did tell him to stop inting and throwing his lead when I just pinged I was omw to gank.
Many such cases. Sad!
[zombie-brand-facepalm]
oOBestEveNAOo1 votesThis is actually where I am at as well. I'll take the flamer and mute them, because flamers care the most about winning the game, and that's really all I care about as well. Common goal. Also is it just me, or do flamers just tend to be better players overall lol
I mean I'd rather have neither type of player in a perfect world tbh.
But we don't live in that world. We live in one where Riot actively encourages trolling with the systems they've put in place and punishes people who get upset about being trolled. Perhaps these systems weren't intended to do that, but when rage quitting only gets you a 5 minute dodge timer for 5 games after your umpteenth game of rage quitting and being mad at the rage quitter in chat for a couple sentences earns a ban that's where the state of the game is.
If THAT'S the world I'm stuck in then I'd rather not have the guy who makes the game 4v5 or 4v6. I'll take the loud obnoxious asshole who is still trying to win since I can press a button to mute him. There is no "I need to replace a trolling, inting team mate" button that gives you a player who isn't trying to ruin the game.
Busty Demoness2 votesI mean I'd rather have neither type of player in a perfect world tbh.
But we don't live in that world. We live in one where Riot actively encourages trolling with the systems they've put in place and punishes people who get upset about being trolled. Perhaps these systems weren't intended to do that, but when rage quitting only gets you a 5 minute dodge timer for 5 games after your umpteenth game of rage quitting and being mad at the rage quitter in chat for a couple sentences earns a ban that's where the state of the game is.
If THAT'S the world I'm stuck in then I'd rather not have the guy who makes the game 4v5 or 4v6. I'll take the loud obnoxious asshole who is still trying to win since I can press a button to mute him. There is no "I need to replace a trolling, inting team mate" button that gives you a player who isn't trying to ruin the game.
With how loosely "trolling" and "inting" are defined by League players, are you sure you want that guy who has a serious compulsion to be an asshole while simultaneously making zero attempt to play as part of a team because "my team just holds me back"?
The difference between a troll and a flamer, in this context, is that the troll is still playing, albeit improperly. The flamer is wasting time typing up a storm in chat and on the "just mute" logic he's cutting off his communications from his team. Both players ruin the game and muting doesn't undo that for the flamer. Dodging may not be the ideal solution, but it's a better loss to take versus dealing with either of those players going out of their way to ruin the game. Both are just as likely to cause a loss, just in different manners.
Besides, based on my introductory question, you should know that there are actually fewer trolls/inters than players say there are. I have dealt with flamers pretty much every single day. I've only dealt with true trolls/inters/griefers about once a week, if that. Anecdotal evidence? Sure. But there's also another surefire means of reporting players choosing to ruin games via inting/trolling and that's by submitting a ticket with replay or screenshots. Riot will have that data and can use that to expedite punishments of those who are using gameplay to ruin the game.
oOBestEveNAOo1 votes[{quoted}](name=Busty Demoness,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=9bGuVkEV,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2019-04-03T16:31:26.405+0000)
With how loosely "trolling" and "inting" are defined by League players, are you sure you want that guy who has a serious compulsion to be an asshole while simultaneously making zero attempt to play as part of a team because "my team just holds me back"?
Now you're describing a troll as well. This person who refuses to play like part of the team is trolling and I don't care what he says in chat, nice or ugly, I want this asshole off my team. He could be the world's most pleasant dude in chat, but the fact is he's a jerk for refusing to cooperate with the team and is in violation of the ToS and should be banned for that and not what he says in chat.
Besides, based on my introductory question, you should know that there are actually fewer trolls/inters than players say there are.
I don't usually report people for being dicks in chat. I report people for trolling, inting, griefing and afking. And I get instant feedback reports for them every other game or every third game. There are shit tons of them. An absolutely mind boggling amount. You know what they ultimately get banned for? Their in game chat. Not the trolling, inting, griefing and afking. When I report one of these folks and don't get a feedback click box (which I'm so fucking tired of seeing 10 times a day) I know it's because they trolled silently in order to aggravate their teammates and generate bans for them as part of their trolling fun. All this says a lot about Riot priorities and why the state of the community is so fucked up. People shouldn't be encouraged to troll in whatever way they please as long as the do it silently and punish the players upset at the person doing the trolling as a bonus troll for trolling well.
I literally can't go 2 hours without getting a feedback card letting me know Riot is actually doing nothing about these people because of the ridiculous number of them I still get after years and years of reporting this shit not decreasing the rate at which it's seen.
Play Grat9 votesI'd take the baddie, bc at least you can learn to be good at LoL, you can't be taught how to not be a c~~~.
Jamaree7 votesGonna be honest, would rather take the feeder, if the shit is gonna be horrible anyway, would rather take the person who isn't going to make it even worst.
Ulquiorra01232 votes[deleted]
TwitchInMyPants4 votes--Removed--
No one is lying when they say this stuff, just because you can't think outside of your own perspective doesn't mean people have the same values. People do call into question where the line should be but the majority of the community supports banning toxic behavior. Maybe it should lean on gameplay or chat more, but I'd rather not have a keyboard warrior in my game who types almost more than they play.
And frankly you're making an assumption that it'll result in a win, sure these players can be good but if they tilt someone off the planet and waste time typing instead of fighting, that easily can contribute to a loss or a harder game.
You keep talking about constructive, since when did people become so weak that they couldn't handle tough love when it comes to super obvious mistakes lol.
Clearly if you keep calling people dumb, liars, SJWs, and weak, you don't have any "tough love", you're making a justification to be a dick. Tough love implies you care about the person you're talking to and want them to improve. Your attitude and the attitude of the OP isn't "Lets help you improve" its "WHY DO YOU RUIN MY GAMES WTF". When you are just venting your frustrations with no real advice there isn't any "love" there. It'd be one thing and still a problem if he's like "Buy this item you idiot" or something, there's at least a tangible gameplay tip which can be constructive and valuable. But from what OP provided its just angry fluff that contributes nothing or at worst made other people play worse by getting under their skin.
There is a real need for people to grow a thicker skin online and learn to deal with this shit in a more sane, leveled way. But just because people are sensitive and should toughen up doesn't mean you're contributing jack by a being a jerk.
Jamaree4 votes--Removed--
Yes, yes I would actually, I don't want to deal with that bullshit, and let's be honest here, people like that who get banned don't flame in games they are winning, they flaming in games they are losing so if we are gonna lose anyway, why make it worst with flaming?
oOBestEveNAOo1 votesYes, yes I would actually, I don't want to deal with that bullshit, and let's be honest here, people like that who get banned don't flame in games they are winning, they flaming in games they are losing so if we are gonna lose anyway, why make it worst with flaming?
If the screen shot is accurate it was done in games being won. Just saying.
Let's be real, would you, in your promos to diamond let's say, rather have the autofilled mid laner who is pissed about being mid lane and takes smite to steal the junglers buff camp and then immediately ints it to the enemy mid before running it down upon respawn for 20 minutes or the guy who yells at the troll doing this?
Just a hypothetical for you to consider.
Jamaree3 votesIf the screen shot is accurate it was done in games being won. Just saying.
Let's be real, would you, in your promos to diamond let's say, rather have the autofilled mid laner who is pissed about being mid lane and takes smite to steal the junglers buff camp and then immediately ints it to the enemy mid before running it down upon respawn for 20 minutes or the guy who yells at the troll doing this?
Just a hypothetical for you to consider.
Neither, I dodge, but I can guarantee that this guy isn’t only yelling at those players.
If it is a clear troll, fuck those people, but how much you want to bet that the people he yells at are people who have bad games and rather then just shrug and accept that you know, people and those games do happen, he immediately jumps on them and thinks insulting them will make them magically just play better?
Busty Demoness5 votesIn no world would you rather lose than win when you have a button to mute a flamer. Please stop lying dumb SJW.
Said flamers are typically extremely greedy, self-centered players that are offended because their random allies didn't play flawlessly in the one game they were matched up in. As a result, those same players are not actually focused on winning as they are trying to make themselves look good by hoarding the gold from kills and CS for the reason of "they can't use it like I can".
Well, bad news, that hurts the team more than helps it. And adding fuel to that fire by choosing to be an unwarranted jackass in chat is ALSO not keeping victory as the goal because, again, deliberately sowing discord and blaming the victim of it for "not using the mute function".
In case you were unaware, the mute button wouldn't exist if players were never toxic. So stop blaming "he who didn't just mute".
dunder kill7 votes"points out your mistakes"
translation:
"WOW YOU FUCKING SUCK YOU R%%%%%ED NOOB KILL YOURSELF"
sanjiluv6 votesI'd much rather play with someone who didn't whine in the first place. "points out your mistakes"Translation: "bitches at you constantly and only has fun while winning"
I don't care if you're mechanically good. You're already annoying.
Hethalean5 votesConsidering everything that I see about people's chat logs when they get banned... I'd rather have the person who doesn't respond to pings.
Myrmiron5 votesIdc how good you think you are, arguing may feel good to you but makes everyone who reads your shit play worse as they now spend time replying to your BS which they could have spent thinking of a plan. Save the flaming and arguing for after the game.
Soc1al Anxiety1 votesIdc how good you think you are, arguing may feel good to you but makes everyone who reads your shit play worse as they now spend time replying to your BS which they could have spent thinking of a plan. Save the flaming and arguing for after the game.
I dont flame & if i don't argue.
I shot-call in all of my games and when some one doesn't listen or is just out right griefing and trolling i like to tell them to stop and just follow the plan
My chat logs have 0 curse words & derogatory phrases in them.
So can you pleaes go on to the next "I was banned post" because your input here is invalid
Myrmiron3 votes[{quoted}](name=Soc1al Anxiety,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=9bGuVkEV,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-04-03T10:11:46.464+0000)
I dont flame & if i don't argue.
I shot-call in all of my games and when some one doesn't listen or is just out right griefing and trolling i like to tell them to stop and just follow the plan
My chat logs have 0 curse words & derogatory phrases in them.
So can you pleaes go on to the next "I was banned post" because your input here is invalid
Post chat logs then. :)
Soc1al Anxiety1 votesPost chat logs then. :)
Wish i could but riot undid my perma ban
Hethalean4 votes[{quoted}](name=Soc1al Anxiety,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=9bGuVkEV,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-03T10:15:19.774+0000)
Wish i could but riot undid my perma ban
They tend to email you that stuff as well as far as I know, also 'undid your perma'? Something is suspicious here. They tend not to do that.
dunder kill5 votes[{quoted}](name=Soc1al Anxiety,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=9bGuVkEV,comment-id=0007000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-03T10:15:19.774+0000)
Wish i could but riot undid my perma ban
if they undid your perma (which they almost never do) you would still have a 14 day ban and chat logs would be listed
Play Grat7 votes[{quoted}](name=Soc1al Anxiety,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=9bGuVkEV,comment-id=00070000,timestamp=2019-04-03T10:11:46.464+0000)
My chat logs have 0 curse words & derogatory phrases in them. "Me: Are you fucking kidding me why are you trolling that was a free kill" - you just talking about it has you cursing, I can't imagine the rage in game.
So can you pleaes go on to the next "I was banned post" because your input here is invalid That bolded part is belittling and attempting to feel above others. Textbook aggressive personality.
I enjoy constructive criticism, but half of what you said you type isn't. It takes time to read each statement, and type them. Then, allies often take time to type back. If I wanted to join a chat room, I'd google one and not download a hefty game to be a part of it.
Stupafly5 votesStating mistakes is nothing to report. It's HOW you state those mistakes that makes the difference
Zardo4 votesAh, the good old fashioned false dichotomy.
It's not either one or the other- you don't have to be toxic to respond to pings and have a positive win rate. If you're going to point out your teammates mistakes, learn to frame it better, since the examples you posted were not constructive in the slightest.
Besides, people make their own decisions. In your example of your teammate recalling- they could've been low on mana, low on health(or at least low enough to die), or sitting on enough for an item. I'd pin that one on you not watching what your teammate was doing over them.
Original Sin4 votesI'd take the feeder any day. Toxic people need to be punished. Simple as that. Chat is honestly pretty useless. I full mute almost every game because there's people like you that type instead of play.
A Friendless Boy3 votesI’d take the inexperienced player.
I would hate if it ever fell upon anyone to point out other's flaws and mistakes. Sorry, but if said person is so fucking better, he probably wouldn't have been matched up with me. The team / one 'mate drags him down and then starts crying it's the their fault, and can't carry? Then we are not that so fucking good, are we.
Your team are people with whom you are stuck on an abandoned island and you have to survive. Even if they are what you claim to be bad, you are stuck with them so you'll have to work with that.
I, personally, don't respond to pings because I mute them all. Sorry, fellow EU Westerners, but thank those who misuse pings in a disgusting way by spamming it to question whatever I'm doing. Same goes for chat. You best be a Legilimens if you want to communicate with me.
Floupi3 votesI take the friendly 0/15 yasuo one trick anyday
People like you are the plague of league of legends and are not banned fast enough.
Colte2 votesi'd rather have a guy swearing at me and win the game instead of having a blind mute inting feeder cost me a loss tbh
Jennifer4202 votesflamer pls <3 especially if he carries, i just mute.
SanKakU2 votesWhy tell us about this 4 months later?
Nut on my Butt2 votesIf everyone were like you, I would not be playing this game lol
Akali is SO HOT1 votesHow is this meme already on page 3 in just 6 hours
Zardo1 votes[{quoted}](name=Akali is SO HOT,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=9bGuVkEV,comment-id=0019,timestamp=2019-04-03T15:36:30.921+0000)
How is this meme already on page 3 in just 6 hours
Vote manipulation.
Original Sin1 votesOnly way you'll understand is if you get permad.
