Is gold considered "low elo"

Mana Fox·Feb 25, 2018·4 votes·10,032 views

Hello, I recently posted in the team recruitment forums looking for low elo players to duo with on my smurf(this account) so I could get back into coaching(helping them learn the game and climb) but a lot of golds added me saying they were "low elo". Is gold really that bad/low to be considered low elo, I never really thought about it before but I thought it would just be middle area since you technically get the rewards. Just wanting other player's opinions on it, thanks! p.s sorry if this is in the wrong area, wasn't sure where to post :/

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MagicFlyingLlamaFeb 25, 201815 votes

Gold is kind of middle of the pack, probably the highest a casual player is going to get.

It seems to have Low-ELO meta/strategy (or lack thereof) with some more mechanically skilled players.

MarshbouyFeb 25, 20187 votes

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Gold is kind of middle of the pack, probably the highest a casual player is going to get.

It seems to have Low-ELO meta/strategy (or lack thereof) with some more mechanically skilled players.

This is mostly it. People are not as bad with micro play in gold/silver as people like to act, but the shot calls and decision making is just god awful.

E.G. "Lets baron when all 5 enemies are up and near baron," "all 5 enemies missing and it's 30 min into the game with baron up? Better not go ward it," "I can easily 1v5 the enemies because I am 6/0," and the classic "yeah it's a 3v5 but we can still win the fight."

A lot of games just have me banging my head into a wall. ######I am not immune to bad decision making. I just see a lot of bad choices being made.

LennFeb 25, 20189 votes

gold is considered low elo yes

TheUrbanKitsuneFeb 25, 201813 votes

I honestly never understood this mentality. I wouldn't consider gold "high" ELO, but it for sure isn't "low" ELO. Statistically, gold is well above the average. With the 50% mark I believe being around Silver III-ish.

Is there an actual reason as to why D3 is sort of the marker for low/high elo? I hear this a lot and would really appreciate an actual explanation, as I am curious as to what the thought process behind that is.

MarshbouyFeb 25, 20185 votes

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I honestly never understood this mentality. I wouldn't consider gold "high" ELO, but it for sure isn't "low" ELO. Statistically, gold is well above the average. With the 50% mark I believe being around Silver III-ish.

Is there an actual reason as to why D3 is sort of the marker for low/high elo? I hear this a lot and would really appreciate an actual explanation, as I am curious as to what the thought process behind that is.

To answer your question, my guess is that Diamond player elitists (who are honestly kind of correct) say that D5 is a hellhole and D4 is just D5 lite.

The reason being for this is because there are a lot of hardstuck, angry plat players who managed to get into diamond and think that they deserve challenger and also a lot of people who just play a game here or there so they don't deal with rank decay.

TheUrbanKitsuneFeb 25, 20185 votes

I can understand that, I believe diamond V+ are well within the top 2% of players iirc. And diamond III 0LP is within less than the top 0.5%.

My question is why is less than half of a percent of players what is considered "high" ELO. High means being greater than normal/average. By the very definition of the word anything above the average (as stated before ~Silver III) is considered "high".

Using that logic doesn't leave much of a middle ground, however. So say we expand that to be Silver V-Gold V is around average. That still leaves anything at Gold IV+ as "high".

I want to know why 0.5% of players are the only people considered above average.

UnrefõrmedFeb 25, 20183 votes

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I can understand that, I believe diamond V+ are well within the top 2% of players iirc. And diamond III 0LP is within less than the top 0.5%.

My question is why is less than half of a percent of players what is considered "high" ELO. High means being greater than normal/average. By the very definition of the word anything above the average (as stated before ~Silver III) is considered "high".

Using that logic doesn't leave much of a middle ground, however. So say we expand that to be Silver V-Gold V is around average. That still leaves anything at Gold IV+ as "high".

I want to know why 0.5% of players are the only people considered above average.

A challenger says anything below D3 is "low elo," so all the bronzes and silvers hop on the bandwagon to help themselves feel better about their own rank.

"you know, d5 is pretty much the same thing as silver 3

silver III 2mil mastery on yasuo btw"

TheUrbanKitsuneFeb 25, 20182 votes

Mmm, I guess that sort of makes sense, yeah. But, I mean of course below D3 will seem "low" to someone who is literally in the highest tier of play barring being a professional.

MarshbouyFeb 25, 20184 votes

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I can understand that, I believe diamond V+ are well within the top 2% of players iirc. And diamond III 0LP is within less than the top 0.5%.

My question is why is less than half of a percent of players what is considered "high" ELO. High means being greater than normal/average. By the very definition of the word anything above the average (as stated before ~Silver III) is considered "high".

Using that logic doesn't leave much of a middle ground, however. So say we expand that to be Silver V-Gold V is around average. That still leaves anything at Gold IV+ as "high".

I want to know why 0.5% of players are the only people considered above average.

I don't know why diamond+ are the only ones considered "high" elo.

TrollmanshipFeb 25, 20185 votes

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I don't know why diamond+ are the only ones considered "high" elo.

because platinum is literally hell and does not deserve to have anything nice said about it ever

AleksaTeemoFeb 26, 20181 votes

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because platinum is literally hell and does not deserve to have anything nice said about it ever

Can confirm LOL

Leaf of the lakeMar 4, 20181 votes

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I can understand that, I believe diamond V+ are well within the top 2% of players iirc. And diamond III 0LP is within less than the top 0.5%.

My question is why is less than half of a percent of players what is considered "high" ELO. High means being greater than normal/average. By the very definition of the word anything above the average (as stated before ~Silver III) is considered "high".

Using that logic doesn't leave much of a middle ground, however. So say we expand that to be Silver V-Gold V is around average. That still leaves anything at Gold IV+ as "high".

I want to know why 0.5% of players are the only people considered above average.

Because diamond+ are so significantly better than most of the playerbase that the rest of the playerbase doesn't even matter to them. Think about real sports: If you look at big tennis tournaments, there are lots of no-name players that show up in the early rounds, that inevitably get stomped by the higher ranked players. These no-name players are far better than players that can't even make it into the pro circuit, but in the context of tournament play, they have "a low ranking." In this analogy, a gold player might be the winner of a local junior championship or something; it's impressive compared to those around them, but they still have a very long way to go to reach the top.

Words like "high" and "low" are always relative to some baseline. If your baseline is "the entire playerbase," then diamond 5 is high elo, since anyone gold and below is basically just a casual. If your baseline is "competing to be the best," then diamond 5 is low elo. When you compare a diamond 5 player to a challenger player, the difference is night and day, so to a challenger player, of course diamond 5 would be "low elo."

JESUSSAYSNOFeb 26, 20181 votes

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I honestly never understood this mentality. I wouldn't consider gold "high" ELO, but it for sure isn't "low" ELO. Statistically, gold is well above the average. With the 50% mark I believe being around Silver III-ish.

Is there an actual reason as to why D3 is sort of the marker for low/high elo? I hear this a lot and would really appreciate an actual explanation, as I am curious as to what the thought process behind that is.

d2 is typically the cutoff for pro levels of gameplay. Not all pros ladder all the time, but most maintain accounts with at least d2 mmr.

nelogisFeb 26, 20182 votes

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I honestly never understood this mentality. I wouldn't consider gold "high" ELO, but it for sure isn't "low" ELO. Statistically, gold is well above the average. With the 50% mark I believe being around Silver III-ish.

Is there an actual reason as to why D3 is sort of the marker for low/high elo? I hear this a lot and would really appreciate an actual explanation, as I am curious as to what the thought process behind that is.

D3 has a huge bump in MMR, D5 and D4 is sometimes worse than P1 (no seriously this is hell)

But if B5 is 0 and Challenger is 100 then I would place Gold in around 40-50

The concept of low elo is relative anyways, for a gold player for example silver and bronze is low elo, for a challenger everything under D3 is ape territory.

MyrmironFeb 26, 20181 votes

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The concept of low elo is relative anyways, for a gold player for example silver and bronze is low elo, for a challenger everything under D3 is ape territory.

High Challenger players can consistently stomp D1 players. The skill curve at the high end of the ladder is so steep it's actually crazy.

notFREEfoodFeb 25, 20189 votes

No.

It's by no means "high elo" but it's above average.

I would consider "low elo" to be silver 5 and below.

CLG earFeb 25, 20188 votes

elitists consider anything under D1 "low elo"

in actuality it is this:

Bronze is Low Elo Silver is Average Gold is Above Average Plat is Excellent Diamond and above is Exceptional

where is my jgerMar 6, 20181 votes

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elitists consider anything under D1 "low elo"

in actuality it is this:

Bronze is Low Elo Silver is Average Gold is Above Average Plat is Excellent Diamond and above is Exceptional

your logic only applies to total amount of player base not in terms of skill. since your bronze you dont really know the difference between each elo the only information you have is the amount of people in each tier. only the people on the top can truly say what is low, mid, and high elo.

CLG earMar 6, 20181 votes

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your logic only applies to total amount of player base not in terms of skill. since your bronze you dont really know the difference between each elo the only information you have is the amount of people in each tier. only the people on the top can truly say what is low, mid, and high elo.

this is considering the total player base xd

where is my jgerMar 6, 20181 votes

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this is considering the total player base xd

you never stated that :P either way its still wrong. you never been in high elo let alone mid elo so i dont expect you to understand what im talking about. not to bring low elo players down,if you get a new tier you should be proud but lets not pretend to be something you're not.

FullmuteAll playFeb 25, 20183 votes

Well competitive players usually call anybody below Diamond (some include D as well) a low elo. Imho Gold is still low elo, unlike Plat. I experienced playing with both Gold and Plat. The difference I notice is that Gold can be more skilled than Silver, but they are equally lacking macro knowledge.

Judge StevenFeb 25, 20183 votes

Statistically speaking, gold players are about the top 10-25% (from Gold I to V respectively) of ranked players each season. Whether you consider this "low elo" or not depends on the person. If you factor in the difference in player skill between elos, then I could see how someone in diamond could consider gold to be low elo. Just looking at gold from a statistical standpoint though, I'd argue it's at least mid elo.

In the end, it's all subjective.

ModBoggyBuntuFeb 25, 20182 votes

Depends on the gold range. I think with the no-decay-from-gold implemented, you're gonna find a lot of Gold V 0 LP people...

That being said, there's a good enough difference between play skill per tier until you reach like Diamond 3 or so.

Most pro players hover from Diamond 3 to Challenger AFAIK. So I'd say that true high elo is D3+, high elo for most people would be plat V+, mid elo Silver 2+, and the rest low.

kurnubegoFeb 26, 20182 votes

Anything below mid diamond is considered low elo. That's based on idea that anyone can reach diamond if player takes game seriously. Now 'serious' players don't compare themselves to casual players like myself :/ who play 2-4 games a week, mainly on weekends.

So that's your explanation why bronze, silver, gold, plat, low diamond are all considered low elo.

ArdunoFeb 26, 20182 votes

Diamond 5 is low elo Anything above that is "high elo"

UnrefõrmedFeb 25, 20181 votes

Depends on who you ask. Low gold is about "average," statistically speaking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoydH5t6PVg

######"twice as less" lmao pretty sure he means "half as many"

The MechEFeb 26, 20181 votes

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Depends on who you ask. Low gold is about "average," statistically speaking.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoydH5t6PVg

######"twice as less" lmao pretty sure he means "half as many"

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/rank-distribution/na

Statistically speaking

UnrefõrmedFeb 26, 20181 votes

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https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/rank-distribution/na

Statistically speaking

even better

Couldn't remember if gold 5 or silver 3 was the 50% mark.. I knew it was one of those two

Hexs FortuneAug 7, 20181 votes

All I see is the requirement for season rewards.

Anymore is just for bragging rights.

III BAKURYU III Feb 26, 20181 votes

What is it like 50-70% of the player base are in Bronze/Silver so, gold is considered high elo to me at least.

General Esdeath Feb 26, 20181 votes

I think gold is low elo but still a great thing go get. I feel like low elo stops at plat but maybe that's just because I'm gold and see all my flaws.

LennFeb 26, 20181 votes

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I think gold is low elo but still a great thing go get. I feel like low elo stops at plat but maybe that's just because I'm gold and see all my flaws.

it never stops man

Dorans PantsFeb 26, 20181 votes

high elo: ( >2% of the playerbase )

Challenger master high diamond

low elo: ( > 28% of the playerbase)

low diamond plat ( aka high gold ) gold

trash: ( <70% of the playerbase )

silver bronze

as you can see being gold is not too bad as you are already above average. Despite that, it´s still regarded as low elo for most people because the skill requirements rise exponentially the higher you climb to the point where challenger player call even dia1 players low elo. So there is also a bit narcissism mixed in.

where is my jgerMar 4, 20182 votes

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high elo: ( >2% of the playerbase )

Challenger master high diamond

low elo: ( > 28% of the playerbase)

low diamond plat ( aka high gold ) gold

trash: ( <70% of the playerbase )

silver bronze

as you can see being gold is not too bad as you are already above average. Despite that, it´s still regarded as low elo for most people because the skill requirements rise exponentially the higher you climb to the point where challenger player call even dia1 players low elo. So there is also a bit narcissism mixed in.

gold players should not be in the same brackets as plats and diamonds the skill diff is quite alot

Sky of SmilesMar 4, 20181 votes

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gold players should not be in the same brackets as plats and diamonds the [IQ] diff is quite alot

ftfy

ZenithEeveeFeb 26, 20181 votes

Honestly I think most people consider anything under Plat5 as "Low elo" Because you cant decay down by not playing the game.

MyrmironFeb 26, 20181 votes

Depends on how you look at it. I consider anything below D3-D4 low elo since I feel like D3-D4 players are about half as good as one can get at this game. Looking at it from the other perspective, anything below silver 3 is low elo since silver 3 and below are 50% of the player base.

Takua NuvaFeb 26, 20181 votes

is hard to know how good gold 5 is cuz many gold players get it from duo and duo < solo skill imo gold only start at gold 3

MyrmironFeb 26, 20181 votes

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is hard to know how good gold 5 is cuz many gold players get it from duo and duo < solo skill imo gold only start at gold 3

That's true for any tier. *5 is boosted trash. *3 is where the actual tier starts because you prove that you're actually good enough to separate yourself from the boosted trash.

Dorans PantsMar 4, 20181 votes

yeah but saying that low elo starts at plat sounds weird. didn´t want to put in the lower bracket either as it would imply that around 88% of players do not know how to play the game.

maybe such a binary dichotomy as low and high elo is simply insufficient when portraying many groups with varying skill levels

but yeah silver < gold << plat seems right but i had to draw the line somewhere and telling someone that he is even below low elo despite being above average felt wrong

ValyrianBladeMar 4, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mana Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=85E7TImN,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-02-25T22:15:01.838+0000)

Hello, I recently posted in the team recruitment forums looking for low elo players to duo with on my smurf(this account) so I could get back into coaching(helping them learn the game and climb) but a lot of golds added me saying they were "low elo". Is gold really that bad/low to be considered low elo, I never really thought about it before but I thought it would just be middle area since you technically get the rewards. Just wanting other player's opinions on it, thanks! p.s sorry if this is in the wrong area, wasn't sure where to post :/

It's probably considered middle, even though it's like top 15%...

The thing is, most players that make smurfs are diamond+. So compared to them, gold is low elo. Most smurf accounts will place in gold 5 off the bat (or as high as plat 5), so they would only really play with golds anyways. So it makes sense that golds would want to queue with a smurf.

ADC BardMar 4, 20181 votes

High elo starts at silver 3

so no, gold is high elo

Bard

CreooxbatAug 6, 20181 votes

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High elo starts at silver 3

so no, gold is high elo

no high elo starts at like gold 1

AudhulmaMar 4, 20181 votes

Think of it like this - low gold is around the skill level every player should be at on average after playing the game regularly for 6 months to a year, though that often is not the case. Does it seem low or high to you then?

LeftyRaydyAug 7, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Mana Fox,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=85E7TImN,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-02-25T22:15:01.838+0000)

Hello, I recently posted in the team recruitment forums looking for low elo players to duo with on my smurf(this account) so I could get back into coaching(helping them learn the game and climb) but a lot of golds added me saying they were "low elo". Is gold really that bad/low to be considered low elo, I never really thought about it before but I thought it would just be middle area since you technically get the rewards. Just wanting other player's opinions on it, thanks! p.s sorry if this is in the wrong area, wasn't sure where to post :/

Challenger 0.02% 0.02%

Master I Master I Master I 0.03% 0.03%

Diamond I Diamond I Diamond I 0.07% 1.94% Diamond II Diamond II 0.10% Diamond III Diamond III 0.18% Diamond IV Diamond IV 0.35% Diamond V Diamond V 1.24%

Platinum I Platinum I Platinum I 0.65% 8.30% Platinum II Platinum II 1.19% Platinum III Platinum III 1.47% Platinum IV Platinum IV 1.71% Platinum V Platinum V 3.29%

Gold I Gold I Gold I 3.65% 27.15% Gold II Gold II 2.63% Gold III Gold III 4.00% Gold IV Gold IV 5.59% Gold V Gold V 11.28%

Silver I Silver I Silver I 5.88% 47.12% Silver II Silver II 9.47% Silver III Silver III 10.52% Silver IV Silver IV 10.40% Silver V Silver V 10.87%

Bronze I Bronze I Bronze I 3.93% 15.44% Bronze II Bronze II 3.61% Bronze III Bronze III 3.06% Bronze IV Bronze IV 2.32% Bronze V Bronze V 2.52%

So looking at this chart which is from https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/rank-distribution I want to say that top 10% is high elo Plat 5 onwards. at least if you dont consider top 10% of something good then IDK what to tell anyone else. Silver 1 and below is low Elo

Gold 5-1 is average/medium.

Looks look at this standards here and IMO about each division regarding skill level

Challenger/Master - these are elites Diamond - Almost at the elite level just need to fine tune some things usually in decision making based on game knowledge Platinum - Mechanics are solid, but game knowledge and situational knowledge may need find tuning or vice versa Gold - they have decent mechanics and decent game knowledge, but may not know how to play their team comps or still make bad decisions Silver - mechanics are getting better but game knowledge is usually pretty bad Bronze - this could be so many things unfortunately it is usually terrible mechanics and terrible game knowledge.

IAintDariusAug 7, 20181 votes

Gold is high elo for people smart enough to not try to make league a career.

Worst Brad JapanAug 7, 20181 votes

Low elo ends at silver 4

High elo starts at silver 3

I read that somewhere on twitch

Kappa

PεtεηùNov 4, 20191 votes

Now i would say no . It arrives Iron and most players are about Bronze 2 - Silver 3 . Gold is not a low elo , but it depends . Actually is a big difference between Gold IV and Gold I .

MyrmironNov 4, 20191 votes

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Now i would say no . It arrives Iron and most players are about Bronze 2 - Silver 3 . Gold is not a low elo , but it depends . Actually is a big difference between Gold IV and Gold I .

2 years old thread! How did you even find it?