Shyvana

TheCrazyPerson80·10/9/2017, 2:38:04 PM·24 votes·1,468 views

Can shyvana get tweaked? She can only be played in the jungle because riot nurfed her q damage and changed the way her passive works. In order to utilize her passive she has to have Dragon control. If she doesn't then her passive is useless. Also her ganks suck and she has no cc. In a meta that relies heavy on ganks shyvana is left at the bottom and is forgotten. Yes, shyvana is a late game champ but she can never get to late game because the other jungle will out gank her. So can she get maybe a slow or cc into her kit? Or just even a new passive like sej. Sej passive is insane and has huge cc in his kit but yet the Dragon queen is left in the shadows. I miss the days of shyvana top but her passive doesn't allow for her to be played there.

25 Comments

DragonTroopBeta10/9/2017, 3:10:41 PM17 votes

"We do not want to totally enforce the meta unless a certain niche becomes a burden on other forms of gameplay." - Riot Games, paraphrased, 2013.

_Sure you don't. _

CodyXSavageX10/9/2017, 5:01:57 PM8 votes

Shv is efficient more as a Counter ganker In my experience

Wasabi Kitty10/9/2017, 5:14:51 PM4 votes

Shyvana is a very strong jungler if you play her right. You just have to play her differently than you would another jungler.

PapaGreg2110/9/2017, 4:39:04 PM4 votes

Shyvana is probably my favorite champ. She is not very good late game. She is more of a mid game champ that needs to be ahead in gold at all times over other champs. She would need a complete rework if they wanted her to have decent ganks. She only thrives in metas where afk farming or attack speed jungle items are strong so we just have to wait until the next one starts

TwitchInMyPants10/9/2017, 7:26:28 PM3 votes

I like Shyv jungle but I think tying her passive to dragon is a bit stupid

I think its ok for there to be specialist executors like Lee/Elise/Nunu/Cho though why is it dragon targeted instead of epic monster targeted? It not only prevents laning Shyv from using her full kit but it also means her choices while jungling are more restricted around Dragon/botside.

TheGreatNinx10/9/2017, 3:11:26 PM3 votes

Yea her and shaco are on weird positons atm and defently need changes

flibitydoo10/10/2017, 1:58:51 AM1 votes

shyvana sucks late game

you get kited in teamfights once you've ulted and are another melee meatshield for the frontline. Your only defensive tools in the mosh pit are those pitiful passive dragon stats where even if you get a big lead with dragons is still far from enough to make you not part of the first 4 champs to die in a 5 v 5 teamfight.

she sucks early on too due to her shitty ganks. Oh someone stole your redbuff? welp that's another 5 minutes of zero pressure you can apply.

What they need to do is give her better ganks, and fix her lategame by giving her some form of tenacity beyond her dashing part of her ult.

adjusting her stats won't do anything beyond cycle her in the buff/nerf cycle since she's very stat-sticky and generic in what she does and brings to a team.

Fleembob10/10/2017, 8:18:31 AM1 votes

Shyvana is a really fun champ but most of the time I don't get enough farm cuz I try to gank too much I guess. Unless there is a greedy Kayn. I love it when they try to counter jungle me and I destroy them 1v1. One game by 10 minutes he fed me like 8 times.

Moral of the story: You see Kayn, you pick Shyvana. E-W-Q-auto to death even in human form

Kloqdq10/10/2017, 1:59:01 PM1 votes

Overall Shyvana needs some changes to improve her overall gameplay. She is one of the best early duelists but she sucks so hard as a game goes on. I don't really want her to be a Raid Boss like she was in the past (God no) but I don't want her to be completely irrelevant and a bad pick for your team.

Her Passive is still probably the most damaging aspect of her kit since it is feast or faminie whether you get dragon control. It's a problem Kindred has with her marks too. Jungle is about outsmarting your opponent and countering what they will do.

Having a giant X on the map of where you will HAVE to go at some point is actually the worst thing in the world for these champions. You can't be smart if your plan of action is laid out before you even thought of it.

XxDRAGONsAK47xX10/10/2017, 2:07:49 PM1 votes

For someone who went from level 1 shyvana to level 7 in a month....

She's just fine.

Though her passive sucks

2Behold10/10/2017, 2:15:07 PM1 votes

I feel like she could be made stronger if her W had a bit of tenacity built into it. Like outside of her ult and landing her empowered E she can totally be shut down by any hard cc. Some tenacity on her W would let her actually get on top of enemies more consistently. But like Im not sure what that right amount would be since if you give her too much she would spiral out of control with her kit.

Cyrosi10/9/2017, 5:05:27 PM1 votes

I want Jungle Fiddlesticks to be viable, but at least he isn't a terrible midlaner. Come to think of it, I don't think I've actually seen Shyvana played since I joined league (which was recently.)

Aeszarck10/9/2017, 5:30:11 PM1 votes

I play her top more than jungle (since I mainly play top lane) and I’ve found she works top pretty well as long as she’s not getting bullied by a ranged Champion.

rtbf22561824110/9/2017, 9:06:52 PM1 votes

I'd rather remove the fuckload amounts of cc in the game there is currently and lower the damage of cc-abilities because they're already payoffs on their own. Shyvana's kit is fine when she doesn't get cc-kited.

Thefrostyviking10/9/2017, 9:21:32 PM1 votes

I don't think she can be buffed at this point, she sits at the 5th best winrate for jungle in korea according to OP.GG.

Changing her passive might work but not sure how and it´s probably as far from the priority list as things get.

Forhonor32110/9/2017, 9:27:19 PM1 votes

Shyvana does actually have CC but its only the small knockback on her ult, which honestly I don't find very great to begin with as say dragging your enemies along with you all the way. It can still be useful for say interrupting channeling but that's about it and not a lot of champs do that.

Her passive I absolutely agree on, ever since her mini rework. It's just makes her more feast or famine in the game since she relies on farming the jungle a lot. Can you get dragons? Yes? Get small bonus to armor stats. No? Keep crappy stat passive for the rest of the game!

And yes she's not the best ganking jungler but when you think about it she's not really meant to be that. Most of the time, she focuses on farming, taking objectives, and counter jungling, as well as beat you over the head with all the gold she's gathered (which kinda makes sense since lots of fantasy dragons are greedy for massive amounts of gold).

She can pull off some ganks when situations call for it, but it usually has to involve the laner engaging first, especially if they have good CC, to keep the opponent there so she can arrive, have the enemy laner extremely over extended, and have Shyvana have red. Post-6 is a bit better since she now has a gap closer but you can easily miss it sometimes still or they just see it coming and avoid it.

I do agree that sometime she needs a tweak or even argue a higher scale rework in the later future. BUT BY NO CHANCE WOULD I EVER SAY SHE NEEDS SOMETHING LIKE SEJUANI'S PASSIVE! Yeah, Sej is insane and has CC and that's one of the problems with most tanks right now. On top of this you also have to realize that with all the power she has to blow up squishies, melts tanks quite a bit, and is slightly faster than most Juggernauts she can't really have any or at least a lot of good CC at the same time or else she'd be broken. She would need to lose something in order for that to happen.