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Have you ever taken a close look at how the automated ban system relates to investing money?

PhD in Nasus··2 votes·1,267 views

Investing is an inappropriate term to use too, you don't actually get anything at all. But have you ever thought of how the Instant Feedback system could affect customers like yourselves?

Hypothetically, you can get banned for dying 15 times in ranked, which is very possible in a game that favours snowballing and you can get 2 premades (jungle and adjacent laner) and a very cooperative enemy laner.

After that suspension, if you get banned for anything, at all, for the next half a year or so, completely excluding toxic behaviour, you risk losing everything you bought. So you can't play ranked, or earn ranked rewards, just to be on the safe side. You'll also go out of your way to make sure none of your foreign language messages sound like blacklisted English words.

Think about it. The thought of losing your account forever, along with all the money you've spent, with no human interaction anywhere at all.

How can people actually spend money on this game after the introduction of instant feedback?

And a PSA: If you want League to become casual and damage/power creep to disappear, and for minigames in kits to become a thing of the past, stop supporting the e-"sports" scene.

25 Comments

SuicidePlank6 votes

I spend money, since I earn enough working and also like what I buy. And through the fact that I ain't a toxic person, I don't get banned and got to keep all my shiny skins, cool or?!

tempname12321341 votes

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I spend money, since I earn enough working and also like what I buy. And through the fact that I ain't a toxic person, I don't get banned and got to keep all my shiny skins, cool or?!

you dont have to be toxic to get banned. read the focums more you will see unfair bans all the time or just talk to people about it in game you will hear stories

Teh Song8 votes

[{quoted}](name=Grouchy Poro,realm=OCE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=16YzxUv4,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-10T08:54:55.577+0000)

you dont have to be toxic to get banned. read the focums more you will see unfair bans all the time or just talk to people about it in game you will hear stories

You will see people who got banned fairly trying to convince you it wasn't fair.

I've lost track of how many times "wrongful ban" threads got debunked

A Sutpid Idot6 votes

[{quoted}](name=Grouchy Poro,realm=OCE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=16YzxUv4,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-10T08:54:55.577+0000)

you dont have to be toxic to get banned. read the focums more you will see unfair bans all the time or just talk to people about it in game you will hear stories

99% of the people who say their ban was unjustified are lying

tempname12321341 votes

[{quoted}](name=A Sutpid Idot,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=16YzxUv4,comment-id=000000000001,timestamp=2019-07-10T09:10:46.398+0000)

99% of the people who say their ban was unjustified are lying

i wouldn't say that high more like 60%

Julevi5 votes

Besides cases with false error I have barely witnessed unjustified bans. Sure, some chatlogs alone don't seem ** that** bad but taking into account the past behaviour the whole situation changes (for me). I don't have much sympathy for players who break the rules over and over again and then cry "hurr durr, I got permabanned for saying stfu". Well, stfu alone is a minor thing but saying it after them got previously warned about continuing this kind of behaviour, come on - enough is enough.

A Sutpid Idot1 votes

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Besides cases with false error I have barely witnessed unjustified bans. Sure, some chatlogs alone don't seem ** that** bad but taking into account the past behaviour the whole situation changes (for me). I don't have much sympathy for players who break the rules over and over again and then cry "hurr durr, I got permabanned for saying stfu". Well, stfu alone is a minor thing but saying it after them got previously warned about continuing this kind of behaviour, come on - enough is enough.

To be fair though if the only negative thing they said was stfu that is a kinda harsh final straw. Agree with the rest though

tempname12321341 votes

[{quoted}](name=A Sutpid Idot,realm=NA,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=16YzxUv4,comment-id=0000000000020000,timestamp=2019-07-10T09:17:13.722+0000)

To be fair though if the only negative thing they said was stfu that is a kinda harsh final straw. Agree with the rest though

riot games bans simple trash talk part of video game culture what they should be banning instead if harrassment abuse threats majority of the time player get chat restricted and it scales to permi based of simple video game trash talk. Thats wrong and whats even worse majority of the time the player reporting the person trash talking trash talked themslves and they dont actually care they just know how sensetive riot are and how unforgivgly strict their flawed system is.

I personally have never been abused harassed or anything actually toxic I have howver been called bad or had my kda called out knowing thats only trash talk (part of playing an online videogame) but I know they can be banned for it (they shouldnbt but riots sytem is snowflaked) so I report them anyway

tempname12321341 votes

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Besides cases with false error I have barely witnessed unjustified bans. Sure, some chatlogs alone don't seem ** that** bad but taking into account the past behaviour the whole situation changes (for me). I don't have much sympathy for players who break the rules over and over again and then cry "hurr durr, I got permabanned for saying stfu". Well, stfu alone is a minor thing but saying it after them got previously warned about continuing this kind of behaviour, come on - enough is enough.

if I get a 10 game chat restriction with 3 logs in the reform card and then a week later get a 25 game chat restriction with 3 games in the reform card also, the previous restriction (10game( has nothing to do with the current one(25game), only the 3 games it has that triggered the ban is important. Out of the 3 games it shows in the chat logs if that player decided to afk 1 of them instead of "being toxic" that would never have recieved a ban. my point is past behavior have nothing to do with currnent ban, only the type of ban is what important 10game 25 game 14 day permi

tempname12321341 votes

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Besides cases with false error I have barely witnessed unjustified bans. Sure, some chatlogs alone don't seem ** that** bad but taking into account the past behaviour the whole situation changes (for me). I don't have much sympathy for players who break the rules over and over again and then cry "hurr durr, I got permabanned for saying stfu". Well, stfu alone is a minor thing but saying it after them got previously warned about continuing this kind of behaviour, come on - enough is enough.

my permi ban regardless of past punishments was a normal game and normal conversation with my team mates about the match and how to win but because I used the word "fucking" numerous of times riot justifes that as a punishble offence regardless if it wa not used in anyway for abuse or harassment.

many many many bans are unjustified or should never have been handed out yes riot have rules but morals overide rules in all aspects no player deserves it be perminantly suspended for calling a player intentionaly feeding "dogshit"

Julevi1 votes

Feel free to post your chatlog to support your statement. Swearing is allowed => "fuck/fucking" is therefore okay as long as you don't insult/belittle other members with it.

tempname12321341 votes

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Feel free to post your chatlog to support your statement. Swearing is allowed => "fuck/fucking" is therefore okay as long as you don't insult/belittle other members with it.

go read the terms of service. fucking is an explicit word and use of that is a punishble offence regardless of context. i can tell what you're trying to do and its not going to wok everyone with a brain knows how bad and stupid their ifs system is

Julevi3 votes

The following are behaviors that would not be acted on by our disciplinary systems: [...] Strong language that does not insult or demean other people. Source: Reporting a Player - Supportpage

Therefore fuck alone is probably allowed.

Besides that: what am I trying to do?

tempname12321341 votes

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The following are behaviors that would not be acted on by our disciplinary systems: [...] Strong language that does not insult or demean other people. Source: Reporting a Player - Supportpage

Therefore fuck alone is probably allowed.

Besides that: what am I trying to do?

go read the terms of service

Julevi1 votes

Edit: I guess I found the part, the one which talks about vulgar language, isn't it?

SuicidePlank2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Grouchy Poro,realm=OCE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=16YzxUv4,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-07-10T08:54:55.577+0000)

you dont have to be toxic to get banned. read the focums more you will see unfair bans all the time or just talk to people about it in game you will hear stories

No, they all are justified. Not a single Log I have seen that was unjustified.

tempname12321341 votes

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No, they all are justified. Not a single Log I have seen that was unjustified.

league of legends is the only online game that escelates simple competitive trash talk to perminant bans, you sound like you're way to sensitiv to even be playing an online game and people like you are an issue. league should only be banning actualy toxic behavior, calling out someones kda calling somone 0/10 bad is not toxic and should not justify a perminant suspension

I personally have never been abused harassed or anything actually toxic I have however been called bad or had my kda called out ect knowing thats only trash talk (part of playing an online videogame) but I know they can be banned for it (they shouldnbt but riots sytem is snowflaked) so I report them anyway

SuicidePlank3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Grouchy Poro,realm=OCE,application-id=yrc23zHg,discussion-id=16YzxUv4,comment-id=0000000000030000,timestamp=2019-07-10T09:42:59.947+0000)

league of legends is the only online game that escelates simple competitive trash talk to perminant bans,

No, Rainbow Six, CS etc. every well known MP Game gives out harsh punishment for toxic Chats.

you sound like you're way to sensitiv to even be playing an online game and people like you are an issue.

Ah, me getting insulted after coming from work, or having a weekend free is my fault? I play League for fun, I don't need a 12 year old Kid to tell me that I should kill myself.

league should only be banning actualy toxic behavior, calling out someones kda calling somone 0/10 bad is not toxic and should not justify a perminant suspension

It is toxic, but you will not get banned for that alone. You've had a 14 Day Bann prior to that, where it was told to you that any other negative Thing you say would get you banned.

tempname12321341 votes

It is toxic, but you will not get banned for that alone. You've had a 14 Day Bann prior to that, where it was told to you that any other negative Thing you say would get you banned.

the fact youn honstly think simple trash talk negitiv or not because of prior bans warrents a permi ban. This is the exact issue thgis game has people like you defending this currop dogshit system. REGARDLESS of prior bans trash talk should not warrent an account loss EVER in any videogame people like you are the reason videogames are becoming so sjw, video games are not a safespace and you cannot change that

SEKAI5 votes

Hypothetically, you can get banned for dying 15 times in ranked, which is very possible in a game that favours snowballing and you can get 2 premades (jungle and adjacent laner) and a very cooperative enemy laner.

There is a difference between dying 15 times in a match and ending the score with something like 7/15/8, and going 0/15/1 in 10 min while running at the enemy base with a bag full of Tears of the Godess.

And if you're concerned about the edge cases between having a bad match and soft inting, worry not because Riot's system is known to give player TOO MUCH benefits of the doubt. Way too much.

I mean, why the hell do you think we have so many high profile inters who are still running about as a free man after YEARS of both hard and soft inting games?

SuicidePlank1 votes

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I mean, why the hell do we have so many high profile inters who are still running about as a free man after YEARS of both hard and soft inting games?

Give me two examples. Also, most of the high Elo Players, especially Streamers, don't get reported. No Report, no Flag and no looking over the game.

SEKAI2 votes

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Give me two examples. Also, most of the high Elo Players, especially Streamers, don't get reported. No Report, no Flag and no looking over the game.

When I say "high profile", I don't mean well known streamers.

i mean people who int just about every single game and have been doing it for years. They are dime a dozen.

SuicidePlank1 votes

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When I say "high profile", I don't mean well known streamers.

i mean people who int just about every single game and have been doing it for years. They are dime a dozen.

Yes I know that they aren't streamers. I just meant that in high elo, people don't really report each other like the rest do, since most of them know each other etc.

But if you are so certain that those people exist, who keep inting for years in high elo, feel free to give me examples of it, otherwise I am convinced they are just part of your imagination.

Unker1391 votes

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When I say "high profile", I don't mean well known streamers.

i mean people who int just about every single game and have been doing it for years. They are dime a dozen.

I've been playing for 3 years and I've seen one intentional feed for one death. I've seen a few afks and rage quits, but zero intentional feeders. I'm sure they exist, but if they were a dime a dozen I would expect to see so many more down here in iron since inting every single game for years would put them down in the bottom ranks.

PhD in Nasus1 votes

Here is some supporting evidence showing how you can reach the penultimate step in the ban ladder just by playing the game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUM1Hhk6zuU

The alternative to ranked is an imbalanced 2 double premades vs 5 premade team where mathmaking is even more imbalanced

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