QOL update for Heca and a small buff for liss.

Wolfess··5 votes·459 views

inb4 flood of downvotes but hey, whatever.

so I rolled ponybutt in an aram. I don't play him so I just BS'd it and tried to annoy the enemy team best I could when I saw someone with bad positioning. I noticed his E which was that annoying tackle looking skill only told me that I sped up a bit and that the dmg went up the more distance I covered. Could we add his move speed increase numbers in the skill description so we can see just how much the range of his buff is? Would be greatly informative.

As for Lissandra, early game her E is a good source of mobility and surprise against enemies with no boots. Later on when she and her enemies have boots, E feels rather slow-ish and with such a lengthy cooldown. Could it be possible to increase the claw's missile speed slightly based on Liss's bonus move speed? Not a whole lot, just enough so that it feels like if you're moving in a target direction and launch the missile forward, you actually feel like you actually displaced yourself a greater distance than you would have normally walked.

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exiledFromBadmen1 votes

Nicely thought! I hope a Rioter will see this.

Treune811 votes

Lissandra opinion is very absurd because you must give counterplay to enemy team.

xBushx1 votes

Yeah cause seeing her coming AT ALL in comparison to Rengar who 100-0 you without the possibility of reacting, makes sense.

Come on...I completely agree with the E change because I shouldn't outrun my claw leaving base.

Treune811 votes

[{quoted}](name=x Bush x,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zwI9Eccg,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-08-10T14:09:35.828+0000)

Yeah cause seeing her coming AT ALL in comparison to Rengar who 100-0 you without the possibility of reacting, makes sense.

Come on...I completely agree with the E change because I shouldn't outrun my claw leaving base.

Rengar hasn't hard CC, disengage, zhonya, ult and 5 seconds untouchable.Lissandra is already so strong and probably she will get nerfs.Watch LCK.She is usually banned. She is strong competitive pick and you wait nerfs not buffs.

xBushx2 votes

Umm Rengar DOES have Hard CC and Liss has NO Escape two of your arguments are NOT even valid. Also, don't bring an Active like Zhonyas into this...we could do that with every kit that dives and is AP. Take Ekko, he might even be worse, Fizz, Diana, Kass.

Alright though, one last try let's hear it...

Treune811 votes

[{quoted}](name=x Bush x,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zwI9Eccg,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2016-08-10T14:25:28.451+0000)

Umm Rengar DOES have Hard CC and Liss has NO Escape two of your arguments are NOT even valid. Also, don't bring an Active like Zhonyas into this...we could do that with every kit that dives and is AP. Take Ekko, he might even be worse, Fizz, Diana, Kass.

Alright though, one last try let's hear it...

Why not even valid? Lissandra needs nerf she doesn't even need the smallest buff.

xBushx2 votes

The invalid part about your post was saying Lissandra had escapes and Rengar had no hard CC. Do you even read bro!?

Treune811 votes

[{quoted}](name=x Bush x,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zwI9Eccg,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-08-10T15:21:00.334+0000)

The invalid part about your post was saying Lissandra had escapes and Rengar had no hard CC. Do you even read bro!?

You're saying Rengar's escape skill and hard CC? You mentioned from Rengar.Lissandra's E can not be faster.This is big buff and enemy hasn't counterplay.

xBushx2 votes

OMG read what you are writing, your last post literally makes no sense.

Treune811 votes

[{quoted}](name=x Bush x,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zwI9Eccg,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2016-08-10T15:25:45.683+0000)

OMG read what you are writing, your last post literally makes no sense.

You read your argument comparion.

Lissandra must buffs because Rengar 100-0.Haha.

We can not talk over other champions.We should talk about Lissandra's win, pick, ban rates.We mention from her power.

Rengar is assassin, Lissandra isn't assasin so your absurd argument?

Wolfess1 votes

Rengar's escape, as the bursty, insta-kill assassin that we all know and cringe at every time we see, is quite literally getting the kill. Coming from the jung and then jumping at the enemy laner and bursting them down is how Rengar escapes. Being able to cloak for a good length of time and walking through the enemy team to find his target is how he does his job, causing panic and confusion similarly to other stealth champs who can burst. He does have Hard cc, his full ferocity bolas is a root that is a fair amount of time a point-blank shot from a fresh jump, and even without ferocity it is a slow.

Liss's initiation relies on her E, which is incredibly telegraphed if Lissandra is visible as it is a slow-moving skillshot. While the skillshot itself moves faster than champions, as far as actual skillshots go it moves slowly compared to others. Being the low-range zone control mage that she is she relies strongly on being able to position herself in the fight. Yes, initiating from the jungle with her E is often very effective but very few times will MOST players use her E as a skill to land damage with from a range as I believe there are not many skillshots that are slower than it, I believe Anivia's Q being potentially one of the few that are indeed slower. The few times you may actually do damage with it are if the enemy is more focused on smacking someone else in their reach or if you're very close to your target so that they are busy standing still or not able to side step it fast enough. Her E is her one engage and disengage/escape skill on a pretty long cooldown and most people don't regard it as anything other than just that, engage or escape. They sometimes don't even regard it as a damaging ability unless it's a dire situation where you have to throw everything out to either get the kill or not die.

Liss also needs to be untouchable for a brief moment. Her role in the teamfight revolves around either helping peel or diving in with her claw into the enemy team to try to make a play. She's a mage, diving RIGHT into the enemy team. She needs a way to not get melted immediately after which is the safety her ult can offer if she casts it on herself. If you want to make an argument about zhonyas then you're going to have to include every mage that has zhonas as a viable item, including fizz, akali, etc. which is an issue with the item, not the champ. It's similar to why Sivir is banned sometimes,she offers team utility even though Sivir herself is not an amazing ADC

If you want to bring LCS into it, There's plenty of Rengar's cancer deleting champs left and right BY HIMSELF by just giving them a dirty look.

GULAG 4 U1 votes

Great ideas, 10/10

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