Shen's new W feels underwhelming

orangepuffity·Jan 21, 2016·3 votes·532 views

When you compare Shen's new W to the rest of his new kit, it feels like something arbitrary, that could be replaced with something that didn't make him vulnerable to spellcasters( etc.) , and other people that use their abilities on a regular basis( etc.) . It could be just me, but it feels boring, and counter-intuitive to what lane he was designed for (top). It trades off sustain, which made him a viable pick in my opinion, for something that doesn't fit his overall design. I'm adding a poll to see what everybody thinks. (Don't kill me if I'm wrong, this is all personal opinion.)

tl;dr: The title says it all.

21 Comments

VictoryDance96Jan 21, 20163 votes

I agree that it is very confusing, and does not help him at which is even more puzzling. And for those ho say he is a support, his ult was not intended to be used as a support. Can it be done? Sure, but what is the point? Also, his q does little to no damage. His e is the same from what I understand, but IMO they have really hurt Shen.

RalanrJan 21, 20161 votes

It seems like he'll be better as a support jungler now then a top laner or support.

orangepuffityJan 21, 20161 votes

Where's the sustain? He doesn't do that much damage to monsters.

QuephaJan 21, 20161 votes

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Where's the sustain? He doesn't do that much damage to monsters.

His Q does ridiculous damage to monsters, he gets a bigger shield from his passive than his old W and he doesn't have to spend ability points to use it, he has way more base health regen now, and jungle items can make up the difference.

RalanrJan 21, 20161 votes

And his W helps against their auto attacks.

orangepuffityJan 22, 20161 votes

It's pretty short, but buffing it will make it OP. Nerfing it will make it useless. It puts it in a predicament that, as a community member(and for Riot's sake), I'd rather not deal with.

PSA: (for everybody, not singling you out) And for the love of Nagakaboros, don't get salty! I won't downvote your comments unless you insult somebody, and as I said, this is all personal opinion. Don't kill me if I'm very, very wrong.

orangepuffityJan 21, 20161 votes

His passive is on too high of a CD to do all that much. And his Q actually does NOT do damage(at least not directly) to monsters.

QuephaJan 21, 20163 votes

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his Q actually does NOT do damage(at least not directly) to monsters.

Minions and monsters take an extra 30/50/70/90/110 bonus damage per attack.

when you use all 3 attacks that's 90/150/210/270/330 bonus damage per use of Q before we even look into the base %hp damage that is always incredibly strong against jungle mobs. That is not a small amount and acting like it doesn't count because it doesn't deal the damage "directly" is childish.

His shield is a 10 second cooldown which is short enough for it to be up once per camp, which is about where his old shield was unless you maxed shield first. His passive also starts out bigger than his old shield and scales much faster than his old shield (again, unless you took shield at level 1 and maxed it first)

orangepuffityJan 22, 20161 votes

And then....? You have 2 skills to reduce the CD on. What if a Lee Sin comes in to counter jungle? You can't do anything, and you have no health.

Anyways, I was talking about top lane for his W, and against certain top laners, it doesn't have any utility there.

orangepuffityJan 21, 20161 votes

Yeah, and they got rid of his sustain, that made him a really solid pick for a long time.

RalanrJan 21, 20161 votes

Well he still has Sustain with Grasp of the Undying.

orangepuffityJan 22, 20161 votes

That's on a pretty high cooldown though. However, it's still good. It can give him some sustain. But they're building a new kit around old abilities that he doesn't have anymore. He has 2 offensive abilities, and 1 of them isn't substantial in terms of damage.

But hey, that's just me, as I said in the original post. I could be very, very, wrong. And if I am, please don't kill me. I'm too young to be banned!

RalanrJan 22, 20161 votes

4 seconds is too long?

orangepuffityJan 22, 20161 votes

For the critical sustain that it gives him, yes. He has none otherwise. EDIT: if you don't count potions

QuephaJan 22, 20161 votes

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For the critical sustain that it gives him, yes. He has none otherwise. EDIT: if you don't count potions

or his natural regen

Estas PerdidoJan 21, 20162 votes

If anything I feel it adds meaningful counter play. Now we know what champs to play if we wanted to bully him in lane hard

orangepuffityJan 21, 20161 votes

But it feels too easy to counterplay it, unless you're someone that uses basic attacks on a regular basis.

QuephaJan 21, 20162 votes

W makes a massive difference in trades during the lane phase. Even ability users like Darius heavily depend on their autos to supplement their damage and if Shen outright ignores a couple of them he WILL win the trade.

RalanrJan 21, 20161 votes

Plus it allows him to set up an escape if needed.

orangepuffityJan 21, 20161 votes

Not if he doesn't do that much damage to begin with. He has even less damage than he had before, and that's really hurting him. Since he has only 1 ability that does noticeable damage, he won't be winning too many. And since that ability isn't exactly easy to hit, you'll be waiting until level 3 or 4 to get his W, since his E is the only way to use his Q offensively. And all the while, Darius is harassing you with his Q, whittling you down to a point to where your W won't matter that much.

It's a lose-lose scenario if you're up against a spellcaster, to a point where you won't even get it, because it's useless. He will get harassed too easily in lane, especially if you aren't against a person who relies on their basic attacks to do damage. It just doesn't make sense.

QuephaJan 21, 20161 votes

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Not if he doesn't do that much damage to begin with. He has even less damage than he had before, and that's really hurting him. Since he has only 1 ability that does noticeable damage, he won't be winning too many. And since that ability isn't exactly easy to hit, you'll be waiting until level 3 or 4 to get his W, since his E is the only way to use his Q offensively. And all the while, Darius is harassing you with his Q, whittling you down to a point to where your W won't matter that much.

It's a lose-lose scenario if you're up against a spellcaster, to a point where you won't even get it, because it's useless. He will get harassed too easily in lane, especially if you aren't against a person who relies on their basic attacks to do damage. It just doesn't make sense.

I've been watching someone play new Shen on the PBE and he seems to win lane even against Illaoi who is WAY more dependent on spells over auto attacks than Darius.