Kat is able to not only Shunpo to plants, but chose which side to go onto, and easily prock the plant in the direction she chooses.
Also since Katarina can Shunpo to her daggers before they fall to the floor, she can now do this as well!
Overall loving my main's rework. Really happy on how it turned out.
Mr Broken Wings2 votesyou cant jump to wards anymore though, right?
Elite4Runner1 votes[{quoted}](name=Mr Broken Wings,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zW4BB8ww,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-10-21T10:39:14.350+0000)
you cant jump to wards anymore though, right?
Not correct.
You can use your Q on a target that is near the wall that you are wanting to jump over. As long as the wall is on the opposite side of the target and they are within 350 units (I'm not 100% on the unit count) of the halfway point of the wall, your dagger will land on the opposite side and you can Shunpo to it.
You can also stand very close to a wall and use your W. As long as the edge of the circle around your dagger is over halfway through the wall, you can Shunpo to the edge and will appear on the other side.
The first way is obviously easier, but both should be possible. ... unless they change this before it hits live servers.
Mr Noggenfogger2 votesYou still can't jump to wards
Elite4Runner1 votes[{quoted}](name=XIron RevenantX,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=zW4BB8ww,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-10-21T15:17:54.044+0000)
You still can't jump to wards
Oh, I read the comment wrong. I thought it said "walls"
zrWQMdGHtY1 votesThe more I see it, the more I realize how broken they plan to make her and how unpickable she'll be... And they say this will be easier to balance than the current kit... facepalm I seriously don't understand people who love when a champion they play gets OP as hell... I mean c'mon, you're basically losing the fun of actually trying to do something to earn the glory of getting fed and looking good...
ÂzaIea2 votesI really do not understand how she is OP now. Other than her R damage being way too high (they are nerfing it thankfully) Kat now requires way more skill, as her Sinister Steel is not a new type of skillshot that can easily be avoided. She will however probably be permabanned in bronze/silver as they are unable to think how to counter things. Higher than that it should be quite easy to deal with.
zrWQMdGHtY1 votesI just posted something on an other thread. Let me copy paste it for you to read. And her "Ult damage" isn't overpowered at all, until she doesn't get level 16 and still it's not, because it's not even the main damage skill. It only looks OP on paper but not ingame... and if her ult is nerfed in the rework I don't see a point to bother playing her anymore.
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This is basically her problem. Changing her mobility spells and removing her ward jump and not tweaking her movement speed at all, isn't going to fix her problem, it's actually ruining it. Now you'll say why I say that and that I'm not a pro... But with this rework she cannot use her W +
, to slow down enemies like Udyr, Garen, Irelia, Hecarim which also gives her a MS boost, allowing her counter play against them. Now you say I'm stupid because the 3 ward jumps. She casts W, in the same location as she is... which means her "escape" will be to go back into enemy lines to escape for a 0.5 period from that enemy. Then you say she has Q. Yes, the Q goes oN the enemy, again throwing her on enemy lines... Basically the 3 shunpoes are useless in this condition and she cannot instant delete bruisers, SO she losses a skilled and very effective counterplay vs bruisers which not so many people know and use. This tool is perfect for chasing enemies aswell, now she wont have it... Either she instant kills or she's instant dead. You always needed to position now and after, so basically no chance in that. The skill cap hardly moves between the now kit and the new kit as both kits are based on positioning and waiting. You don't "Create" anything, people create the opportunities, which is true for both kits. Basically both kits play in the same way, but in one kit you gain a MS 0.5 sec MS buff without hitting the enemy, the other case you gain the 0.5 MS buff, give the enemy small damage and slow, giving you a better opportunity to escape and same the the NOW is 4 seconds delay and the THEN will be 15 seconds. Which makes you LESS Mobility than you currently are, if you know how to play ofc.
So yeah, I claim she's no under powered atm, neither is she over powered... she's just complicated to use at full potential, so they removed a majority of that potential, said "free 3 shunpoes" and "bigger damage" and consider that as a proper "fix" and "buff" for the champion.
100% sure you wont read or will make something silly up, to prove how my point is wrong...
ÂzaIea1 votesI really don't see what you are saying. In your situation you are trying to chase with W and Rylais. Sure you cannot W straight up and do it, but like you said you have Q, Q will slow them and put a dagger in front of them you shunpo to it, and you slow them again, now you W, W gives you 90% movement speed for 1.5 seconds, by the time they get to you because of the slow the dagger dropped and yet another slow. Also the difference in damage is enormous now, each procked dagger is like 300 damage without counting ap ratios. Also the ult is OP, she throws 15 daggers, at a slightly lower ratio, before nerf that meant 750 damage + 300% ratio, live it is 750 damage + 250 ratio. For a kit that is meant to outplay with the daggers, it makes no sense for me to press R and one shot people.
In a teamfight she plays almost the same, except she has more opportunities, and it is harder to lock her down now. I have been in fights and was able to dodge every non targatable cc while dealing around 3 times the damage I would have been able to in live. And yes, the damage difference is there 2 dagger pickups and you deal slightly less damage than a full channel live ult.
zrWQMdGHtY1 votesHow do you slow twice when the dagger drops if you're moving forward and the dagger is left behind, both the Q dagger and W dagger ?speaking much without knowing at all? The difference is 0 because u wont land as ingle sinister steel in the codition you currently use the ralyai to escape... And in TF she doesnt play the same at all and her OS potential will be lot bigger, that's why it's a bad rework. So stop telling me how she will be OP and how bad she is now, she doesnt need to be OP and she doesnt need to need less skill, you cannot slow at all when you are chased, you didnt even read what her new kit will do and you come claiming here how wrong I am. Go run from a garen with the new kit and cast both your daggers for sinister steel to do the slow. You lose the point of the slow because you need to walk bcak and pick em up...
ÂzaIea1 votesSince you did not specify wether you were being chased or chasing, I assumed the former. She is really good at chasing now.
Anyhow Katarina should not be in situations where she is being chased in the first place. Katarina requires lots of thinking ahead, timing, and positioning. If you cannot manage that, you should be playing a different champion.
I did not read what her new kit will do? Did you watch the Gifs I posted? Did you read the name on top of Katarina? Yes that is me. Yes, I am playing Katarina on PBE right now.
Actually if you are being chased from someone like Garen, you could probably play it the same way LB does it: Q > W > E (Onto the Q Dagger) > E (Onto W Dagger) and run, what this does is, you keep him busy until his speedup ends, and then you run away. Otherwise, you could just W 90% speed up for 1.5 seconds and run away.
This rework let's Katarina do what she is meant to do: punish people for mistakes better than ever before. And let's be real, that is the only way Katarina wins lane especially in Platinum+, wait for mistakes and punish them and win. Now she can do that so much better. Example: in the clip I am about to show you, I had some PBE problems and got to the game when Syndra was already lvl 4. I get poked out of lane easily and the clip starts a few seconds after I come back and cs a couple of minions, I am lvl 4 and Syndra is lvl 6. Let's play the video!
As you can see Katarina's outplay potential skyrockets now, but it needs to be an outplay, her lane is still not too good, but she has zone potential, giving her an actual laning phase, especially vs skillshot heavy champions.
zrWQMdGHtY1 votesLiterally Katarina is 99% getting chased atm and outplaying her enemy in that way, by baiting to an ambush or poking with W while slowing to death to be able to execute. So basically it's obvious what I meant and if you say it's otherwise then you literally got no idea how to play Katarina at higher elo, or at all and that's why when you're behind you cant get ahead again, so don't tell me who should change and who not, I've saved myself from horrible situations of been behind with ending over-fed.
Congratz on playing on PBE vs mobs... You're a master...
Secondly your "Q and shunpo on dagger" is literally the worst idea you have, because your dagger falls behind and you are forced to go BACK, which can lead you to 1-4 more enemies who will destroy you or in a worse position giving him more time to chase you and kill you because his movement speed buff is more often than yours and has longer duration... That' 1.5 sec of MS which is 15 sec CD is none existant compare to his 3 seconds spammable...
The rework pushes Katarina to be a instant basher, not a outplayer as she MUST be... Her current kit is elegant and beautiful, the new one is just rough...
Only way Katarina wins in plat+. is abusing the enemy jungler or lanes, together with her own jungler and getting fed, or destroying her enemy on lane pre level 4, which is absolutely possible and easy to achieve... On the video syndra plays wrong and walks INTO you on her all and stays in stupid distance, instead abusing her currently unbalanced hitboxes. That syndra could of easily Q W Ed you to death, so you just showed me someone who never played syndra before having fun with hitting you only basic attacks and not casting a single spell, because for that duration she could of done 2 Qs and full combo to instantly delete you.
That's no outplay potential, that's playing against bad players who don't try, in live servers you'll never be able to do such poke unless you play Bronze or Silver ranking. TYVM.
If you cant beat syndra with the current kit in gold+ elo, then you shouldn't even bother playing Katarina. TYVM for your offence towards my intelligence and skill, giving the fact I got way more experience than you in Katarina, giving the fact I play her since release and giving the fact I know how to counter my enemy no matter what champ their are with this current "weak" kit as you all call it, while you claim your job is to stay afk in a bush and just burst low HP enemies, which is completely false and proves why she has such low win rate recently...
ÂzaIea1 votesHow interesting it is that a silver player tells me how to play Katarina in higher elo. Personally I always try to be in a position where I won't have to be chased. And it works.
Now you are creating rules you did not say. If a whole team is chasing you, then good job, you are really bad at the champion or messed up so bad that you seaerve to die. Only way out is to use plants to get out if possible.
In the video she plays wrong? She hits every hit aganist me, I played wrong, when that happened I was not used to the increase delay shunpo has, therefore I got hit by all of the abilities the lvl 6 Syndra threw at me and I outdamaged her by far. If I had been used to the delays I would have been half health.
You play her since release? Your account has 30 games on her on first season. This year's only challenger NA Katarina main Thalies thinks this is better, former LCS pro Katarina mains thinks this is a step up, current Masters player Katarina main KatLife thinks this is way more fun and an improvemnt. Who are you to say this is worse just cause you are unable to have good positiooning.
Also I have not played on live simce a couple of days since PBE release, but her winrate was above average then. Also that is her playstyle, and you not timing your entrance to the dight right is the reason you get chased, sure it works to mantain your 55% winrate, in silver.
zrWQMdGHtY1 votesFirst. I don't know how my account has 30 games season 1, if this account never existed season one, I got this one from 2 years and I didn't rank it more than silve,r I just love the name on this smurf so I use it as a forum account.
Second. I'm on EUW
Third. If that's a "good/correct" play of Syndra, then I'm a secret Syndra pro...
Forth, I was dia on main and after that Gold - Plat, and this one at silver because I was too lazy to win and just practiced new stuff on it.
Fifth. Are you seriously playing only "wait in the bush" tactic as Katarina? And you come here to judge me? Not sure if you're serious... You're not using even 1% of her current potential... That abuse of her actual skill, gets you in condition to be chased by bruiser and most likely providing you 1 or 2 more kills before that and that's just a means to escape their Jungle/ect, if your team wasn't close to team fight , but you did a solo good play that will help the future team fight...
Idk how you're playing her ,but of what I see it's wrong... and yeah 55% winrate while just experimenting stuff, is pretty good... Sorry that you cant handle it.