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Ekko and Diana are too strong

Kharisma··47 votes·18,809 views

AP champions are already really strong overall but these two champions specifically are taking over solo queue. Ekko is good at all stages of the game and so is Diana. I think his Ekko's shield needs to be nerfed as well as the AP ratios on his E. Diana is not as bad as Ekko but I don't like how she's being played in jungle.

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xelaker26 votes

-5 movespeed should set em right

Trap2B22 votes

Ekko and Diana aren't the same. Ekko can't be punished for anything he does unless he's stupid. Movement speed from hitting you, % hp nonsense, R. Diana goes in and that's it, either she kills or dies.

Tobykachu6 votes

Except she's usually tanky enough for it to just be kills.

Sir Saltarin10 votes

Both are getting nerfed next patch confirmed

GripaAviara2 votes

Where can I see future patch changes?

Malix Farwin7 votes

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Both are getting nerfed next patch confirmed

I wouldn't be surprised if they were love taps.

Mavëríck1 votes

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Both are getting nerfed next patch confirmed

You call that shit nerfs? It wont affect their OPenis whatsoever.

GFREEMEN9 votes

100%

They both have burst combo's that are too easy to pull off that are unavoidable in some cases.

Why does Ekko have a 2s+ AOE stun AND assassin damage?

Doopliss71 votes

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100%

They both have burst combo's that are too easy to pull off that are unavoidable in some cases.

Why does Ekko have a 2s+ AOE stun AND assassin damage?

because without it he'll get blown up and do nothing since he's squishy. most assassins have an escape/survival ability as their basic ability.

Lovelle7 votes

Ekko's ult needs to be changed honestly. He can already disengage from pretty much anything with his mobility and CC, does his ult really need to deal damage? It would still be strong even with just the heal. All it does it make literally impossible to trade with the champ unless he is massively behind. Either that or you're playing someone equally bullshit.

SiG DxD2 votes

its a massive nuke with high base dmg and +150% ap

insanity

Ahri Body Pillow2 votes

Literally the most telegraphed ability in the entire game. You know where its going to be 4 seconds in advance. If you step on it you deserve to get chunked.

That being said, Ekko is definitely way too strong right now and needs some of those buffs reverted.

Lovelle1 votes

That's the thing. You don't have to be anywhere near Ekko's ultimate for him to still be a threat with it. Just the fact that his ult is up can limit your options against him, even more so if you're using a champion with less tools/mobility. For example, when he tower dives for no consequence when his ult is up, something a lot of champions can't do without being punished. You could remove the damage from the ability and he would still be able to do that. Its burst damage is just icing on the cake for him, he certainly doesn't need it to kill anyone.

All it does is make him near impossible for most of the champ roster to deal with when he has a lead. It's leads to situations where the only option for a lot of champs (especially melees) for dealing with him is just to never engage, which would be fine if Ekko couldn't disengage literally any time he wanted. He basically has to mess up first in order to be effectively dealt with, which is just bad design.

Ahri Body Pillow2 votes

You realize Ekkos R is like half of the damage in his kit right?

Removing the damage would be a mega nerf.

Lovelle1 votes

I see him get plenty of kills without his ult. He's rather good at trading with other champions even pre 6. It's one of the reasons he's so good in the jungle right now, arguably on the same tier as Elise. He's strong straight out of the gate and can easily secure a lead that way.

Ahri Body Pillow2 votes

I have 800k points on Ekko.

Ekko is not diving you under tower and killing you unless he is severely ahead or you're chilling in lane with less than 1/3 HP, no summoners, and no CC.

He was perfectly fine for like 2 years before the buffs. And suddenly he's broken after getting buff after buff and so we should....completely remove the damage on his ult instead of reverting the buffs? This makes 0 sense.

Besides, Riot already decided on nerfs for him. Spoiler alert: they arent your ridiculous ideas.

Lovelle2 votes

The champ has been a balance problem since his release, what I'm suggesting would make him feel a lot more fair to play against for most of the champ roster.

A large part of the melee roster doesn't have Ekko's level of safety. He can definitely afford to give something up, and changing his ult's damage wouldn't make him remotely unplayable.

Ahri Body Pillow1 votes

What??? Ekko was perfectly fine before the buffs after they nerfed tank ekko.

VelvetCrotch1 votes

Wrong. Ekko was a balance issue since release. His ult did insane dmg without any costs at release.

And yes the passiv of Ekko should get hard nerfs. That 3 stack % dmg + the movement speed is stupid.

Ahri Body Pillow1 votes

That was FIVE years ago lmao

Definitely shouldn't get hard nerfs, and isn't getting hard nerfs :)

Śhunpo5 votes

REVERT EKKO'S ULT BUFFS

Toxic Teeto5 votes

Only in the enemy team though... xd

Freeza with an I4 votes

Ekko is a bad idea anyway for an assassin. If he was designed initially to be a bruiser or a tank, I think the whole rewind abilities would be cool but an assassin getting to just rewind is broken beyond belief.

Look at Atlus from Paladins, he's a tank with the ability to rewind and it works fine. He can still be punished and killed since he's such a big target, and his damage is pretty good at the cost of him being slow and him being slower overall.

Now look at Ekko, he's hyper mobile, has a stun and two slows in hit kit, an easy to spam harass ability, free damage passives, and a get out of jail free ultimate. He really needs some of his power removed, he has too much going for him all the time.

only luciano1 votes

Never needs to build magic pen because of his perfect health missing passive on his W.

GigglesO1 votes

I still think his Q slow should be reduced and his move speed passive should be removed... make him punishable when he doesn’t use his shield or ultimate. Give him windows of vulnerability while he tries to poke.

Ahri Body Pillow1 votes

His q slow slows for like .25 seconds unless youre literally standing inside of it.

No decent ekko is using their Q to poke...theyre using it to get stacks on their passive.

Just revert his buffs it truly is that easy.

GigglesO1 votes

So what you are saying is its unneeded power?

So why don't we just agree to remove it?

Its actually pretty easy logic. Again, you say it won't do anything, lets remove it...

Ahri Body Pillow1 votes

It's not overbearing, but it has its niche. Just because it's not overbearing doesn't mean its useless too. You literally have no idea how balance works. He was fine before his buffs but now that he's been buffed all of the sudden his kit is the most broken thing ever? Im not buying it.

Just rever the buff. Its actually pretty easy logic.

If people like you controlled balance this game would be dead in a week.

Anyways, Riot is never gonna change his Q.So keep crying I guess:)

SiG DxD3 votes

ekko has been buffed alot because of the skins he got so he got uber OP

dunno about diana tho,maybe the rework just hadnt any changes yet

GigglesO3 votes

For Ekko

Reduce his Q slow and remove his run fast passive so less mobile champs have a chance to fight back.

Make his shield stun not linger so long after too.

For an assassin he has kinda high amounts of cc.

Ahri Body Pillow2 votes

That would destroy him.

No thanks.

Kharisma2 votes

He is not a jungler. He belongs in the mid-lane, not farming the entire jungle without losing HP and outjungling traditional junglers like Lee, Elise, and especially NIdalee.

I can see you play Ekko and don't want him nerfed. I like playing versus Ekko mid since he can be punished if he goes in too hard. Ekko jg is completely different though. His clears are way too good for a champ with no actual healing in his abilities. He wins skirmishes with ease and is insanely hard to peel later in the game. His ult is like 20 seconds later on and he can accidentally use it and it he can just say "gotta wait 20 seconds lol." I'm glad I haven't gone against him in a while since I permaban him.

Ahri Body Pillow2 votes

Obviously he needs nerfs. I've only posted that I think jungle Ekko needs nerfs like 10 times in the past week. Go through my post history.

Problem is those changes hurt mid Ekko just as much as it hurts jungle Ekko. I will say this again, for the millionth time:

**The best way to nerf jungle Ekko is to nerf his double passive damage against monsters. This will cripple his clear speed. **

If that's not enough then revert his R CD buffs. They were way too much from the beginning. I've got no problem nerfing Ekko but for the love of god nerf him the right way. If you remove his movespeed passive he can now literally only go in when he's got ult or else he dies. Removing his Q slow is straight up nonsensical....noone has complained about his Q slow. Not once.

I HAVE NO PROBLEM SEEING EKKO GETTING NERFED. BUT PLEASE DO NOT DESTROY MID EKKO IN THE PROCESS.

GigglesO1 votes

I complain about his Q slow every time I play against him...

He doesn’t need both Q slow and super run fat passive. I think one should be removed and the other should be reduced because it does make him punishable when he doesn’t have his ultimate up...

He should have moments of weakness between his ultimate(s) instead of always safe gameplay.

Ahri Body Pillow1 votes

Well that's not what Riot decided on so...

GigglesO2 votes

Yea, they have 200+ years of experience, and they don't even take ideas from us anymore anyways. So what does it even matter.

I personally think this game has been dying ever since riot stopped engaging with the boards.

Ahri Body Pillow1 votes

If you think this game is dying youre delusional.

GigglesO1 votes

Lol, everything is dying. It is just a matter of time....

Rock MD3 votes

{quoted}

For Ekko

Reduce his Q slow and remove his run fast passive so less mobile champs have a chance to fight back.

Run fast passive doesn't proc unless he jumps on you, after which champions will have traded with him.

Make his shield stun not linger so long after too.

This is a reasonably fair change.

For an assassin he has kinda high amounts of cc.

Yeah if you sit in an extremely telegraphed circle that he casts 4 seconds in advance.

GigglesO1 votes

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Run fast passive doesn't proc unless he jumps on you, after which champions will have traded with him. You under estimate how slow some champions really are. This would really help against feeling like you can't chase, but you also can't run.

Yeah if you sit in an extremely telegraphed circle that he casts 4 seconds in advance.

I mean I'll give you this one on the telegraphed portion. I just think that it would be good for all champions that aren't tanks to have their cc reduced. That way tanks can have a niche buff without having to increase their damage or tankiness. Give them a home back in the game.

VelvetCrotch2 votes

His passiv and E dmg should be gutted imho. His ult will always be broken unless you completely rework him. His W is relatively hard to land. his movement bonus and the after 2 stacks safe burst cause of his REALLY easy to land and use E is the problem

wolvius3 votes

Revert the stupid buffs they gave coming up to his skin release which was TOTALLY not related to his buffs

V9.16 Phase Dive Base damage increased to 50 / 75 / 100 / 125 / 150 from 40 / 65 / 90 / 115 / 140. Chronobreak Chronobreak Cooldown reduced to 110 / 80 / 50 seconds from 110 / 90 / 70.

>**V9.18**
Parallel Convergence 
Mana cost reduced to 30 / 35 / 40 / 45 / 50 from 50 / 55 / 60 / 65 / 70.
Stun duration increased to 2.25 seconds from 1.75.

V9.22 true damage skin added

Patch 9.16 : 50% winrate https://lolalytics.com/lol/ekko/?lane=middle&patch=9.16 patch 9.15 : 50% patch 9.14 : 50.8%

Clearly a champ that needed buffs

Edit: changed to mid winrates

Sylaelque3 votes

Don't forget Fiora

Kharisma1 votes

At least she relies on some sort of RNG to win lane. Grievous wounds is good against her as well.

Crescent Dusk3 votes

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AP champions are already really strong overall but these two champions specifically are taking over solo queue. Ekko is good at all stages of the game and so is Diana. I think his Ekko's shield needs to be nerfed as well as the AP ratios on his E. Diana is not as bad as Ekko but I don't like how she's being played in jungle.

I love having to prep a charm combo and hit a skill shot from range as Evelynn to do damage while all Ekko has to do is press E and point blank Q to trigger his passive and do the same damage as me with more mobility and a survivality+nuke ult on top of a shield that can zone because otherwise you aoe stun them.

Kharisma1 votes

There is nothing Evelynn can do against Ekko. Ekko outfarms her; has better ganks than Eve--since all you have to do is wait 2.5 seconds and she won't kill you. Ekko can just press W and doesn't even have to land it. He can just place it where the enemy has to run to escape and make the enemy run towards him or they will have to flash.

Crescent Dusk4 votes

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There is nothing Evelynn can do against Ekko. Ekko outfarms her; has better ganks than Eve--since all you have to do is wait 2.5 seconds and she won't kill you. Ekko can just press W and doesn't even have to land it. He can just place it where the enemy has to run to escape and make the enemy run towards him or they will have to flash.

Well, that applies to 95% of the jungle roster. Eve is a terrible duelist, and she doesn't even scale better than a Rengar, Kha'zix, or Shaco to justify how weak and full of counterplay she is.

A simple change as making her E have the same range as her demon shade radius while she's in demon shade would do a lot to fix her, as well as tuning her ult to actually execute people when they're in the execute threshold and lower its cooldown given how outrageously high it is while shaco has an aoe box bomb of death with an immunity blink window on a <40 sec cd and a ranged execute nuke on E that's point and click and a fraction of the cd.

She's just garbage and does not do enough damage for how fragile, immobile, and telegraphed her damage opportunity is. There's virtually no reason to pick her over Shaco, Khazix, or Rengar or even Kayn.

Voluug131 votes

AP champions are already really strong overall

Actually its mostly assasins/divers and fighters like Mordekaiser and Vlad.

The only strong mage is Cassio. Every other AP heavy champion that isnt an assassin or a fighter (or some unholy combo or both) simply is massively out of meta.

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