gragas build

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i'm a Gragas main. For jungle, I normally go very tank. My jungle item is always Runic Echoes, because of the good clear time + damage compared to cinderhulk. Then I will go swifties to get around the jungle faster. The tank items depend on whether they have AD or AP, but standard for me is Spirit Visage, Sunfire, Randuins, Frozen heart. But Gragas has several builds. So to recap:

Frozen heart can be subbed for a thornmail or iceborn, they are all good on him.

I am trying to learn at the moment. What are typical runes, masteries and ability order? the guides I found seem out of date and contradictory.

For top

You get quite tanky and still have rather high damage, a full combo can 100-0 an adc at lategame if he doesn't built any defense, and with liandry's, your Q poke also hurts quite a bit.

M6 gragas jungle main. However I'm unranked but I've played enough to understand Grags well enough to give advice.

Team comp is very important when building Gragas, both top and JG. However, gragas has to be a tank, because glass cannon gragas can really only do good if you already have present CC or you have a super tanky comp that isn't entirely damage dealing. If not an armor heavy tank vs AD comps, a MR/high HP tank vs heavy AP comps. However most comps today are balanced so you need to do both.

Most commonly bought items I use on gragas: using

I use scaling MR blues, armor yellows, 8 magic pen reds, 1 AS red, then two AS quints and a magic pen quint. 8.5 magic pen + 10% attack speed and then 7 armor, 27MR at 18. It compounds into a very good overall build I think. Masteries are Strength of Ages Keystone, movement speed, CDR, and either tenacity or bonus armor works, and then I use runic affinity, out of combat MS, dangerous game, and merciless. I don't like thunderlord's gragas but that's an option for some real early game pressure, but if you can't get a good gank to proc decree, rip.

(sometimes you can sub for or depending on the game state/matchups)