The support role doesn't need changes more than any other role. Stop complaining

Hrd2H1t·Nov 27, 2016·4 votes·624 views

I'm tired of people complaining that the support role is "boring" and "lacks impact." Just because you aren't getting kills left and right doesn't mean we somehow have to fix the role. Support is meant to be the perfect role for the unsung hero types, those who love to help and don't really ask for recognition. Personally, I'm the kind of guy who would rather be 0/10/20 than 10/0/0. However, people who love going on killing sprees and carrying their teams are constantly complaining that the support role is meaningless. Supports are a strong hidden power, helping the team from behind closed doors. They aren't the action heroes going in guns-blazing, and they shouldn't be.

TL;DR The support role shouldn't be changed to be more "exciting" or anything. Its rightfully a niche playstyle, and if you don't enjoy it, its not the fault of the playstyle.

55 Comments

AptestNov 27, 20165 votes

I am fatigued of people who do not play support telling those that do what they should and should not find "fun".

Please. If you have an opinion on why support is fun or not fun TO YOU SPECIFICALLY please voice it. But don't tell me what I should enjoy.

because honestly Mr. No support sir, the problem with support role is is not me not enjoying support role: it is YOU not enjoying support role.

so maybe you should take that into perspective. All those people saying the support role has some issues, they are trying to make the role more fun for everyone, and specifically for the people who do not currently enjoy the role.

take into consideration.

KartagiaNov 27, 20161 votes

I have nothing against season 1 definition of support role. Unfortunately those who never play support think they have right to say what support players should do and behave. I have a lot against the way how other players behave towards supports and their totally false understanding of support role or support items.

ChargeItDownMidNov 27, 20163 votes

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KartagiaNov 27, 20162 votes

I agree with you but majority loves to have someone to shout and blame. They want to have sidekick to blame when they make mistakes.

ShinkoMinoriNov 27, 20162 votes

How about you actually get good at the game before having an opinion about something you don't understand?

Hrd2H1tNov 27, 20165 votes

Ah, the classic "STFU bronzie" argument. I'm allowed to have an opinion on something I don't have complete knowledge of. You don't have to be a Diamond or Challenger tier support to know enough about support to have an opinion. I'm qualified enough to have an opinion because I actually have played the role.

You don't have to be a professional chef to give advice on how to cook ramen. You don't have to be an Olympic diver to tell somewhat what you think about diving.

ShinkoMinoriNov 27, 20161 votes

You can't give an opinion on medicine if you are on 1st year of medical school.

Hrd2H1tNov 27, 20162 votes

That's a special case because medicine is something that is life or death. And besides, even if you can't administer medicine properly in all cases you clearly know SOMETHING about medicine even if you are new to your study.

ShinkoMinoriNov 27, 20161 votes

Half knowing something doesn't actually make you informed about it. Specially if the half you know makes it all wrong without the other half.

KartagiaNov 27, 20163 votes

And the way you talk of support role indicates you never got either halves even when you got higher tiers. You show constant offensive and insulting talk to anyone who did not climb to platinum. And you do think you can behave.

ShinkoMinoriNov 27, 20161 votes

Silvers love to talk a lot... specially those who are silver 5 0 LP

KartagiaNov 27, 20162 votes

And platinums love to harass and grief a lot like you do.

You rather attack ranking of others instead of giving any facts and reasoning for your obnoxious opinions.

ShinkoMinoriNov 27, 20161 votes

I don't mind others rankings or opinions, as long as they know their place when making them. Low elo doesn't know about the game, shouldn't start trying to give inputs about how to play support or the state of support when they don't even know what being a support is all about.

KartagiaNov 27, 20163 votes

Do you really think you have behave? All you are doing is pulling ranks and insulting those below your ranking wihtout ONCE given any facts to back your opinions. I am waiting you to give FACTS what those lower ranking people are saying wrong? YOu cannot do that as you are really rude person who want to show yourself how better you are by hitting those under you with verbal abuse.

ShinkoMinoriNov 27, 20161 votes

Everything I said about silvers and bronzes hold true. You just don't like to be told the truth in your face. And if you want to know what the rest think of OP then you should check all his downvotes.

cuddlykitten4Nov 27, 20161 votes

It's because he knows he has no leg to stand on. It's called deference. Deference is a psychology thing. It's when a person attempt to veer an argument or debate off topic because they're intimidated by their lack of knowledge of the subject. It's like when a politician is asked a question about something they have no clue about. Rather than at least attempt to provide an opinion they decide to attack the character of the one running against them. To put it simply, when people know there's know way for them to look better than the opposing side, they instead attempt to make the opposing side look worse than them. It's a sign of weakness. When someone defers it's a tell all that they are insecure, and a hint that you should dig into them.

cuddlykitten4Nov 27, 20161 votes

Here, I'll copy/paste two direct quotes from him that both prove my point, and pull into the open the fact that he's just making it up as he goes via contradictory statements.

"I don't mind others rankings or opinions" <--- this "that's why I cant respect anyone who can't even get gold 5" <-- and this

Two directly contradictory statements. Also to noted, when someone contradicts themselves, that's also a sign of weakness.

cuddlykitten4Nov 27, 20162 votes

Yes, yes you can. You can't do surgery on someone, but you can definitely give your opinion on what they might need to do. In fact, most people ask a friend what their thoughts are on a medical issue before they'll actually go to a doctor. Besides, by your own logic aren't you wrong for giving your opinion of this person's opinion because you don't know who this person is? Man, that kettle sure is black isn't it?

ChaddyFantomeNov 27, 20163 votes

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How about you actually get good at the game before having an opinion about something you don't understand?

Don't have a real argument? I don't completely agree with TC, but christ.

ShinkoMinoriNov 27, 20161 votes

My real argument is that some people type because they have fingers.

The boards are in dire need of quality of posts rather than pointless uninformed low quality shitposting like most bronzes make.

cuddlykitten4Nov 27, 20161 votes

"The boards are in dire need of quality of posts rather than pointless uninformed low quality shitposting like most bronzes make." <--- I do so love when people say the very things that need to be said to them. Saves so much time :)

cuddlykitten4Nov 27, 20161 votes

Lol, upon looking at his match history (quite a ways down I might add) he pretty much only plays Morgana, Vel Koz, and a little bit of Xin. He has something like one game with MF, and one game with Karma. Someone who lacks any variety is not someone who will have a very informed opinion. Stop being a hypocrite, no one likes that hypocrite guy. One trick ponies don't have very informed knowledge because the bulk of knowledge comes from experience. You can be the best in the world at doing addition, but if all you do is addition then everyone who does addition along with subtraction, multiplication, and division will still have more knowledge of math than you. Being informed has nothing to do with ranks, and everything to do with how broad the scope of your perception is.

ShinkoMinoriNov 27, 20161 votes

its easy to say "ranks don't matter" when you are on the lower rank yourself.

KartagiaNov 27, 20162 votes

Woudl you give me some facts to back your claims except "I did climb, thus I am right. I did not climb with support". I suggest you start behaving other way than bronze 5 obnoxiouis flaming

ShinkoMinoriNov 27, 20161 votes

A role that relies on having good teammates is flawed when you want to climb... and I am a support main.

KartagiaNov 27, 20161 votes

And thus you are saying those who support should first climb running other roles, as support role is not good for climbing. You just stated out that support role NEEDS to be redefined as it is not suitable for any assessment of skill. If you play main support, your wins and losses depend on rest of team, and thus ranking of support mains is not showing their skill. I just love your totally biased counter-intuitive logic which is totally illogical making deduction wrong way.

ShinkoMinoriNov 27, 20161 votes

I am support main, but I don't support my team when climbing. I just go for carrying instead of supporting.

cuddlykitten4Nov 27, 20161 votes

Is silver 5 Did so exclusively as support Claim of impossible to climb as support disproved Argument denied That is all

cuddlykitten4Nov 27, 20161 votes

Tell you what bud, I've already crushed you into the ground whether you'll admit or not. So I'm gonna let this Kartagia guy finish you off :) (btw, it doesn't take a genius level IQ to know that if 4 people are saying that you're wrong in the exact same way that the odds are about 95% that you are wrong, just sayin)

cuddlykitten4Nov 27, 20161 votes

What does TC mean?

cuddlykitten4Nov 27, 20165 votes

OK, then I, a support main, will chime in. I agree with the OP. Support isn't in bad shape necessarily. Yes, it would be nice to get gold a little faster, but that has never held me back. How about you get some civil decency before you reply to posts you rude individual?

ShinkoMinoriNov 27, 20161 votes

You are silver 5 bro

cuddlykitten4Nov 27, 20162 votes

Damn straight I am, with about 4,500 games under my belt between ranked and normals (with about 2,300 wins between the two at my estimation, 1,400 wins in normal SR alone). Guess what? I'm still going to say that I probably have a better understanding of this game than you. Hell, you haven't even said anything about the game. All you've done so far is try to demean the opinions of others, which you probably associate to making a point. You're only gold, and as my plat friends would put it, gold is just a shiny bronze color. No matter what your rank says, if you can't make valid points then you can't make valid points. You're blinded by your own arrogance. That's why even though you act like you are better than the OP you have almost the exact same number of wins in your match history. I'd also like to point out that this season was the season of boosters, so in all reality, I'm assuming that you got boosted to gold. I wouldn't think that, but in my experience someone who didn't earn their rank is more obsessed with the illusion of ranks mattering. Not that it matters, wrong is wrong no matter what color wrong is. What gets me is you play like 3 champs and don't have a particularly high win rate with them, further suggestive of being boosted. Again, I'd like to point out that you have yet to contribute anything of substance to this thread. Just some silly attempt to stroke your own ego, which an actual good player wouldn't need to do. You put on an illusion of confidence, but I see through that veil with no effort whatsoever.

cuddlykitten4Nov 27, 20161 votes

Gold 5 with 19 LP I might add, I'm not impressed.

ShinkoMinoriNov 27, 20161 votes

and gold 5 29 LP last season too, and gold 5 20 LP the season before that.

Getting gold is easy, that's why I cant respect anyone who can't even get gold 5

cuddlykitten4Nov 27, 20162 votes

BAHAHAHAHA, you mean to tell me that in three years you have not improved at all? XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD you just lost this all on your own. Thanks for the free win :)

ShinkoMinoriNov 27, 20161 votes

I just care about the victorious skin. Something you will never have.

cuddlykitten4Nov 27, 20162 votes

^ now this statement is a unique form of deference that I like to call the cover-up. That's when the individual gets called out and realizes it. They will defer again, but this time it will be an attempt to justify their original deference. Usually the start to fall apart shortly after similar to someone who tries to keep too many lies straight in their head.

ShinkoMinoriNov 27, 20161 votes

lmao

cuddlykitten4Nov 27, 20161 votes

^ and right there is the fall apart I mentioned

cuddlykitten4Nov 27, 20161 votes

If all you cared about was the skin then you wouldn't have LP above 0 at gold five. Nice try, but I see through your bs just fine.

cuddlykitten4Nov 27, 20162 votes

I'll give you one more point before I drop the mic on your ass, only someone who has no leg to stand on reverts to deferring. Deferring would be when you try to call out people's ranks. YOu aren't discussing the topic, you're attempting to invalidate the ones who don't agree with you. Someone with a quality point to make won't do that as they are fully secure in their knowledge of the topic carrying them. Someone who feels insecure about the level of their knowledge on a topic will attempt to veer it into a tangent in the very weak tactic of attempting to put the opposing side on the defensive since they can't actively use their knowledge as a form of aggression. Here's another stat for you, you might be gold and I might be silver, but my IQ is 163. You might be higher ranked in a video game, but I'm higher ranked in comprehension and knowledge, so yes, I definitely see through you and understand this game deeper than you do. As you continue to prove all on your own. You know, since we're pulling out silly shit and all, there's my trump card. I'm sure you'll try to say something to discredit what I said, but someone with real intelligence needs 0 verification to know that they are. So, what else you got? :)

ShinkoMinoriNov 27, 20161 votes

If you think IQ stands for knowledge then you must have got it from an internet test lmao.

cuddlykitten4Nov 27, 20162 votes

What's wrong? You can call out ranks, but when someone has a real life advantage over you you suddenly think it's not a good tactic? Hypocrite much? Also, I did not take my IQ test online. I took it when I was younger because I was klepping out of grades in elementary and middle school. I taught myself division in the second grade by myself just by seeing an answer to a division problem and reverse engineering the problem until I understood how one came to the answer. I spoke 27 words before my first birthday, and have an IQ of 163 as proven via a real IQ test. Here's some advice, don't place guesses about someone in reference to something they know factually is either right or wrong. It reveals that you're just grasping at straws. Also, your last few posts are suggesting that you're argument is unraveling around you. Don't feel bad about it though, people like me are just good at doing that. :) Yea, you'll attempt to put on the illusion that that's not what's happening, but you and I both know it's true :)

cuddlykitten4Nov 27, 20161 votes

Also, I don't think IQ stands for knowledge because IQ is LITERALLY a rating of your ability to comprehend. He doens't understand how to debate, he doesnt' understand how League works, he doesn't understand what an IQ is, he claims to main support but obviously has no real knowledge of how support works, what on Earth is this guy good for?

Mecha MaIphiteNov 27, 20161 votes

because rank determines whether or not you can form an opinion on something that is literally 100% subjective

ShinkoMinoriNov 27, 20161 votes

Why can't I find your profile WHAT SORCERY IS THIS.

Mecha MaIphiteNov 27, 20161 votes

i'm magical

CalabokNov 27, 20161 votes

it is boring and does lack impact.

Hrd2H1tNov 27, 20162 votes

Except it doesn't. The fun of playing support is the macroplay, not the microplay. And as for lacking impact, if supports lack impact then why do we have supports? If supports had no impact, we would instead have a different role.